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Pondlady02 User ID: 719487 United States 07/16/2009 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just think about how much they'd rake in if they'd regulate crack, meth, pcp and mescaline. Quoting: BugBomb 727249Add in prostitution, extortion, protection fees by the mafia and murder, they won't have to cut taxes AT ALL! Any educated person would hardly equate "pot" with crack, meth, pcp etc. Would you equate gettin a parking ticket with vehicular manslaughter??? |
Pondlady02 User ID: 719487 United States 07/16/2009 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a nurse. I had a serious GI issue and went from 125 lbs to 104. My doctor prescribed dronabinol (marinnol) which is sythetic THC (pot) to help me regain the weight. I almost had a friggin' stroke when I filled the prescription. THREE HUNDRED AND SOMETHING DOLLARS which is equal to SEVEN DOLLARS AND SOME CENTS A CAPSULE!!! I'm suppose to take one capsule three times a day 30-60 minutes before meals. We discussed the $$ situation and off the record decided it would be cheaper to get some herb, smoke it but keep the prescription, so that if I was drug tested, I wouldn't loose my nursing license. Quoting: Heal Thyself, Physician 725902Here is a bit of TRIVIA about herb. Did you know it has the MOST lanoleic and linoleic essential (body doesn't make it but needs it to function) AND balanced PROTEIN than any of the over three million known edible plant species??? It could feed a starving world!!!! Only the female plants get you high, by the way but the male plants also have the nutritional aspects, as well. The ONLY reason it was made illegal is because of WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST, the egotistical ass who in 1937 MADE Congress vote it illegal. Dr. Woodword went before Congress to plead that the medicinal value of cannabis was crucial to healthcare. Guess who won??/ $$$$$$$$$$$$ It was the year the Hearst chemist invented the first sythetic fiber. Prior to that hemp was number one, as the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Guttenberg Bible and most other things including clothing were made from Hemp. Read THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES by Jack Herer. Oh, the US Navy, during WWII begged the US population to "GROW HEMP FOR VICTORY" because we were the ONLY and still are, the ONLY industrialized country that doesn't grow it!! We had no supply for the ropes for our ships and a butt load of other items. ONe acre, harvested twice a year=60 barrels of what is equivalent to crude oil which can power cars and other itmes we need, IT IS TRULY AMAZING THAT THE LITTLE "WEED" COULD ACTUALLY SAVE THE PLANET!!! NO kidding!!! Please excuse typos Preach on! :wonderweed: Ahh ... SO NICE to see those who see things clearly. I'd love to add a little bit more to what the nurse says about the 'Hemp for Victory' campaign too, did a college paper on that in economics class ... yes, economics ... It is more important than EVER to understand that right now, HEMP can single-handedly save the entire American economy. It could truly be a 'One Hit' Wonder, no pun intended. That marijuana is primarily thought of as a drug at all is sheer testimony to the success of those who caused it to be criminalized in the first place. The original prohibition of cannabis had NOTHING to do with public health or sobriety, as the nurse above eloquently put it ... and had everything to do with several lucrative patents that might not have competed so well in an environment where hemp was still under cultivation. In fact, the specific patents involved a process for making paper out of wood pulp (most paper had previously been made from hemp), and that new synthetic fiber she mentioned was a new little thing called "NYLON"...go figure we could have been saving trees and rain forests this whole time, right... So, President Roosevelt initiated that 'HEMP FOR VICTORY' campaign during the 40's that led to wild hemp being GROWN all across the mid-west...and then decades later, that seriously misguided 'war on drugs' the feds created in the 80's allowed the DEA to spend roughly 9 million per year (in 1998-9 figures at the time of my paper) on those SAME HEMP remnants (again, w/ taxpayer dollars) to be eradicated to 'justify' the war. Note that it would take HUNDREDS of pounds for anyone to get high from wild hemp. So all that destruction in the name of what? Politicians keeping office. Would that I had your eloquence of pen. BRAVO!! Also, another fact I originally failed to mention was that Hearst owned (ripped off) massive forrests in Mexico that he could not harvest due to Pancho Villa's activites. He would harvest (steal) the lumber, send it to Kimberly Clark (His company) to make paper to sell to the newspapers (yep, he owned them all) so, instead of "drug crazed cocanine negros raping white women", he then started the "drug crazed marijuana smokin' Mexicans raping white women" freak out. Also, marijuana" is a slang Sonoran term. Medicinally, it was Cannabis. Industrial, it was known as hemp. When Dr.Woodward went before Congress to plead for Cannabis to remain a viable medicine, he stated "When the "marijuana" prohibition was stated, we in the medical field did not know you meant cannabis." |
JJackF108
User ID: 667270 United States 07/16/2009 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keep the stuff illegal, it took us years to get rid of the damn hippies anyway. Quoting: 100% Sucker FreeWe never left. Dude we are everywhere, and you dont even know it. you must be blind. HEY DUDE...I KNOW YOU ARE TO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND...WELL, I DON'T CARE IF YOUR UNDERSTAND...!!!! Rebirth is possible in life, no matter how many tries it takes!!! I have an opinion, you just might not like it!!! |
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User ID: 727253 United States 07/16/2009 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just think about how much they'd rake in if they'd regulate crack, meth, pcp and mescaline. Quoting: Pondlady02 719487Add in prostitution, extortion, protection fees by the mafia and murder, they won't have to cut taxes AT ALL! Any educated person would hardly equate "pot" with crack, meth, pcp etc. Would you equate gettin a parking ticket with vehicular manslaughter??? Ouch!!! That had to hurt. Z Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
Pondlady02 User ID: 719487 United States 07/16/2009 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just think about how much they'd rake in if they'd regulate crack, meth, pcp and mescaline. Quoting: zacksavageAdd in prostitution, extortion, protection fees by the mafia and murder, they won't have to cut taxes AT ALL! Any educated person would hardly equate "pot" with crack, meth, pcp etc. Would you equate gettin a parking ticket with vehicular manslaughter??? Ouch!!! That had to hurt. Z LOL |
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Pondlady02 User ID: 719487 United States 07/16/2009 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a nurse. I had a serious GI issue and went from 125 lbs to 104. My doctor prescribed dronabinol (marinnol) which is sythetic THC (pot) to help me regain the weight. I almost had a friggin' stroke when I filled the prescription. THREE HUNDRED AND SOMETHING DOLLARS which is equal to SEVEN DOLLARS AND SOME CENTS A CAPSULE!!! I'm suppose to take one capsule three times a day 30-60 minutes before meals. We discussed the $$ situation and off the record decided it would be cheaper to get some herb, smoke it but keep the prescription, so that if I was drug tested, I wouldn't loose my nursing license. Quoting: Pondlady02 719487Here is a bit of TRIVIA about herb. Did you know it has the MOST lanoleic and linoleic essential (body doesn't make it but needs it to function) AND balanced PROTEIN than any of the over three million known edible plant species??? It could feed a starving world!!!! Only the female plants get you high, by the way but the male plants also have the nutritional aspects, as well. The ONLY reason it was made illegal is because of WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST, the egotistical ass who in 1937 MADE Congress vote it illegal. Dr. Woodword went before Congress to plead that the medicinal value of cannabis was crucial to healthcare. Guess who won??/ $$$$$$$$$$$$ It was the year the Hearst chemist invented the first sythetic fiber. Prior to that hemp was number one, as the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Guttenberg Bible and most other things including clothing were made from Hemp. Read THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES by Jack Herer. Oh, the US Navy, during WWII begged the US population to "GROW HEMP FOR VICTORY" because we were the ONLY and still are, the ONLY industrialized country that doesn't grow it!! We had no supply for the ropes for our ships and a butt load of other items. ONe acre, harvested twice a year=60 barrels of what is equivalent to crude oil which can power cars and other itmes we need, IT IS TRULY AMAZING THAT THE LITTLE "WEED" COULD ACTUALLY SAVE THE PLANET!!! NO kidding!!! Please excuse typos Preach on! :wonderweed: Ahh ... SO NICE to see those who see things clearly. I'd love to add a little bit more to what the nurse says about the 'Hemp for Victory' campaign too, did a college paper on that in economics class ... yes, economics ... It is more important than EVER to understand that right now, HEMP can single-handedly save the entire American economy. It could truly be a 'One Hit' Wonder, no pun intended. That marijuana is primarily thought of as a drug at all is sheer testimony to the success of those who caused it to be criminalized in the first place. The original prohibition of cannabis had NOTHING to do with public health or sobriety, as the nurse above eloquently put it ... and had everything to do with several lucrative patents that might not have competed so well in an environment where hemp was still under cultivation. In fact, the specific patents involved a process for making paper out of wood pulp (most paper had previously been made from hemp), and that new synthetic fiber she mentioned was a new little thing called "NYLON"...go figure we could have been saving trees and rain forests this whole time, right... So, President Roosevelt initiated that 'HEMP FOR VICTORY' campaign during the 40's that led to wild hemp being GROWN all across the mid-west...and then decades later, that seriously misguided 'war on drugs' the feds created in the 80's allowed the DEA to spend roughly 9 million per year (in 1998-9 figures at the time of my paper) on those SAME HEMP remnants (again, w/ taxpayer dollars) to be eradicated to 'justify' the war. Note that it would take HUNDREDS of pounds for anyone to get high from wild hemp. So all that destruction in the name of what? Politicians keeping office. Would that I had your eloquence of pen. BRAVO!! Also, another fact I originally failed to mention was that Hearst owned (ripped off) massive forrests in Mexico that he could not harvest due to Pancho Villa's activites. He would harvest (steal) the lumber, send it to Kimberly Clark (His company) to make paper to sell to the newspapers (yep, he owned them all) so, instead of "drug crazed cocanine negros raping white women", he then started the "drug crazed marijuana smokin' Mexicans raping white women" freak out. Also, marijuana" is a slang Sonoran term. Medicinally, it was Cannabis. Industrial, it was known as hemp. When Dr.Woodward went before Congress to plead for Cannabis to remain a viable medicine, he stated "When the "marijuana" prohibition was stated, we in the medical field did not know you meant cannabis." Boy, these after thoughts keep coming. Did you know that as far back as Clinton's terms, TWELVE states VOTED FOR MEDICINAL MARIJUANA??? He did the predictable thing (went for the $$$$$$$$$$$ alcohol lobby, pharmaceutical companies with sythetic marijuana Marrinol @ over $7.00 a pill, the tobacco lobbyists etc.) and vetoed the states voters desires. Frankly, I couldn't believe that greasy guy would be against ANYTHING that involved blowin' and suckin'!!!! |
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User ID: 727253 United States 07/16/2009 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd grow my own. Screw their taxes for a free plant on this earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 709964[/quote That's probably why they won't legalize it, cause we could all grow our own. No money in that. Clearly the weed should be legal and not taxed in the least. I shall do as I please in any case. lol Z Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 670450 Canada 07/16/2009 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just think about how much they'd rake in if they'd regulate crack, meth, pcp and mescaline. Quoting: Pondlady02 719487Add in prostitution, extortion, protection fees by the mafia and murder, they won't have to cut taxes AT ALL! Any educated person would hardly equate "pot" with crack, meth, pcp etc. Would you equate gettin a parking ticket with vehicular manslaughter??? The stupid son of a bitch you answerd would. He's a nit wit, probably voted for palin. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 709964 United States 07/16/2009 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes the way of old has to be given to the ways of the new... Quoting: mygreenheaven 726954www.mygreenheaven.org some people need it more than others for medical purposes. I can say that it has been the greatest thing to happen in my life. As a disabled us army ranger i been on pills and tried to end this life then found marijuana and was told it would destroy my life.. well 8 years later i am only smoking pot and no other meds, i was told i would have to take all these crazy pills for the rest of my life and low and behold i only smoke pot now gret it is... Me too, older dude...I'm a 48 year old woman and the greatest stress buster I've ever found is pot!!! Started to think about quitting and going to see a shrink for stress but after thinking about it for awhile I said screw that...I know too many people addicted to Xanex and all those other synthetics...do they seem better than me? Hell no. I'll stick to God's medicine. |
Pondlady02 User ID: 719487 United States 07/16/2009 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd grow my own. Screw their taxes for a free plant on this earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 709964[/quote That's probably why they won't legalize it, cause we could all grow our own. No money in that. YOU WIN THE PRIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is EXACTLY why the reluctance to legalize is still happening! $$$$$$$$$$$=politicians I had a friend that was a lawyer (which most politicinas happen to be, go figure) He said "Lawyers are a bunch of whores. Pay us and will do WHATEVER YOU WANT US TO DO. Money inspires us. Screw what we really believe in our hearts". God rest his soul. I can honestly say, that was the most concise and informative definition of a lawyer I have ever heard! |
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Pondlady02 User ID: 719487 United States 07/16/2009 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just think about how much they'd rake in if they'd regulate crack, meth, pcp and mescaline. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 670450Add in prostitution, extortion, protection fees by the mafia and murder, they won't have to cut taxes AT ALL! Any educated person would hardly equate "pot" with crack, meth, pcp etc. Would you equate gettin a parking ticket with vehicular manslaughter??? The stupid son of a bitch you answerd would. He's a nit wit, probably voted for palin. Whoa, pardner! I hope you don't think me a "nit wit" because I voted against obamatron. It wasn't much of choice from the beginning. The thing that swayed my vote was that ALL the muslim countries were rooting for obama. I didn't like McCain because of his "thumbs up" to the Kennedy/McCain AMNESTY for illegal aliens tomfoolery but the countries that hated us didnt want him. THAT is why I voted for him, not because I liked him. Forgive me for getting off the topic of herb. I'll behave |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 709964 United States 07/16/2009 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too many christians/ religious folks for it ever to be legalized.. The devi's weed ya know. Not like they would be forced to smoke it or anything, just that they don't want anyone else to either b/c everyone would smoke pot and turn into little demon killers and robbers... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 726993I'm a christian and I smoke weed. |
Pondlady02 User ID: 719487 United States 07/16/2009 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too many christians/ religious folks for it ever to be legalized.. The devi's weed ya know. Not like they would be forced to smoke it or anything, just that they don't want anyone else to either b/c everyone would smoke pot and turn into little demon killers and robbers... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 709964I'm a christian and I smoke weed. DITTO!! |
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User ID: 727190 United States 07/16/2009 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm afraid the $1.4 billion figure is total BS. Most of the figure is based on the price paid and the tax. But who is going to pay $50 or even $25 an ounce for a plant that grows so easily? People will still be selling it among friends. The reason given for the proposed law is merely a sop to pretend it would help raise state revenues. It won't. Got pain? Free relief. [link to lowerpain.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 726320 Mexico 07/16/2009 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the real reason the feds won`t legalize pot is because... the oil derived from pot can be used to run anything.. cars, turbines, you name it.... pot became illegal in the late 1880`s when rocky (rockerfeller)... cornered the petroleum industry.... after that he pushed congress into making it illegal because pot can grow anywhere... even in the desert (it`s a weed)... and it can be used for many purposes... civil war soldier`s uniforms were made of pot.... (so when they got shot in the field...they just burned a piece of their shirt and got high to eliminate the pain...) on a more serious note.... basically the main reason pot is illegal is because it is a renewable energy source.... it`s like ethanol from corn... although it`s not cost effective to produce ethanol with our current technology... but with pot... you don`t have that problem.... you just squeeze the weed and take out the oil.... and you are good to go.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 709964 United States 07/16/2009 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a couple of questions for those who think it is great!! Would you HIRE a baby-sitter for your baby if you knew he or she was a pot head??? Would you pay to hire a mechanic for your new car and repairman man for your new T.V. etc. if you knew he was a pot head??? I somehow did NOT think so??? Tells you all you need to know about your Government and how it is operated???? It is a side show of well you fill in the blanks!! Quoting: Insomnialook there is a time and a place. there is nothing wrong with smoking some weed once and a while to relax or if you are sick. from my own experience, weed doesn't give me a hangover. i've snowboarded, created awesome art, renovated my house and been in several social situations high and no one even knew. you DONT have to smoke so much that you are farked up beyond belief. i would much rather be a bit baked in an emergency than have had a couple glasses of wine. you would not believe how fast you snap out of being stoned when the situation calls for it. drunk on the other hand? don't think so. and that's a totally acceptable thing. i would like to see weed regulated so people aren't putting disgusting shit in it. pure homegrown good stuff is absolutely mellow and pleasurable. i don't even SMOKE the shit anymore, maybe a couple times a year. but i am 100% for legalizing it. you have been brainwashed into thinking it's so terrible. anything in excess is bad (alcohol, food, exercise, religion, sex) so yeah people who are chronic and smoke it all day every day is not good for their lives. but that's their issue. why should they take away my right to enjoy something i responsibly enjoy once and a while. most people who like to smoke are actually pretty mellow and happy and in touch with themselves. it doesn't NUMB your brain, it totally makes you think and talk about things absolutely intriguing. 'nuff said! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 726320 Mexico 07/16/2009 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm afraid the $1.4 billion figure is total BS. Most of the figure is based on the price paid and the tax. Quoting: awthrawthrBut who is going to pay $50 or even $25 an ounce for a plant that grows so easily? People will still be selling it among friends. The reason given for the proposed law is merely a sop to pretend it would help raise state revenues. It won't. yeah you can grow tobbaco too.... and you can make whisky... but making good whisky is an art.... and people with money would pay a good price for the good stuff.... cause with good pot you don`t need a lot to get high.. two good hits.... and you`re flying higher than a kite.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 727358 United States 07/16/2009 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first version of this story said that they wouldn't be allowing just anyone to buy mj, you'd still have to have a Dr.'s slip. If that's the case, the state would be hitting a lot of cancer and AIDS patients with this extreme tax. How is that 'progressive'? Won't happen anyway. The state prosecutors, prison guard and police unions will come down against this with a scare campaign and the legislature will defeat it. They'll have Dianne Feinstein do a commercial about drug dealers running wild. Just like they did with Prop 5 in the last election: [link to ballotpedia.org] Too many people owe their jobs to the drug war. They don't care that California can't afford it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 726320 Mexico 07/16/2009 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm all for pot being legal, but if they let people grow their own, how are they going to tax it? If I lived in California, I would not pay $50 an ounce in taxes for something I could grow in the yard or on the patio for free. There will be a huge black market for tax scofflaws. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 727358The first version of this story said that they wouldn't be allowing just anyone to buy mj, you'd still have to have a Dr.'s slip. If that's the case, the state would be hitting a lot of cancer and AIDS patients with this extreme tax. How is that 'progressive'? Won't happen anyway. The state prosecutors, prison guard and police unions will come down against this with a scare campaign and the legislature will defeat it. They'll have Dianne Feinstein do a commercial about drug dealers running wild. Just like they did with Prop 5 in the last election: [link to ballotpedia.org] Too many people owe their jobs to the drug war. They don't care that California can't afford it. that is true.... but right now....cali is about to go belly up... when things get tough... changes occur.... if there ever was a time to legalize pot... it is now.... there won`t be any drug wars if cops don`t get paid? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 654409 United States 07/16/2009 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm afraid the $1.4 billion figure is total BS. Most of the figure is based on the price paid and the tax. Quoting: awthrawthrBut who is going to pay $50 or even $25 an ounce for a plant that grows so easily? People will still be selling it among friends. The reason given for the proposed law is merely a sop to pretend it would help raise state revenues. It won't. $50 an ounce is half-price in my neck of the woods. Add friendly competition between manufacturers for better quality. We'll have everything from generic on up to top-shelf. It would end up brand-based, just like everything else (more specifically alcohol and tobacco) You can grow tobacco and you can make your own liquor, but who wants to? Very few. I'll have a box of Kronic 100's please! |
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