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I'm all for legalization but I wonder what would happen to the violence statistics.

Don;t think you would have to worry unless your a Dorito or an Oreo.
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the main reason crime is high in cali....

is beacause pot is illegal....

and the gangs there fight over the territory to sell it....

legalize pot and the crime rate would actually go down...
Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu.

Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher.
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wtf I have a couple of questions for those who think it is great!! Would you HIRE a baby-sitter for your baby if you knew he or she was a pot head??? Would you pay to hire a mechanic for your new car and repairman man for your new T.V. etc. if you knew he was a pot head??? I somehow did NOT think so??? Tells you all you need to know about your Government and how it is operated???? It is a side show of well you fill in the blanks!!


Point taken...

1) How do you know your baby sitter isn't a huffer or into some of the other weird shit that's done today? ehhh

2) How do you know that these repair persons you mentioned are not coke heads in the off hours?

All you have to do is look and listen around you to know people in "more structured" environs are sometimes acquainted with reality stretchers.

Not to yea or nay but I have seen people being more productive when stoned than when not.
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Before I became a nurse, I was an LCDC (licensed chemical dependency counselor) that's why I said "alcohol IS the gateway drug." 98% of the addicts I worked with said the FIRST DRUG THEY DID WAS ALCOHOL AND/OR NICOTINE, usually in conjunction. Now to address your valid questions.
1) A "huffer" by definition is one who inhales aerosol chemicals or glue. The other "weird shit" I would not like. Pot doesn't bother me unless they smoked in the house exposing my child to second hand smoke of any kind.
2) Coke heads go a little farther than I would care to go and they do get paranoid. But then again, their "off hours" are not really my business.
Here is a freaky thing we learned in pharmacology class. Our professor told us that a herion user, who used clean needles and herion that was not cut with speed or other equally bad substance, had a hell of a lot better body organs than a casual drinker!!!!!! Theoretically, they could be an organ donor before a drinker!! THAT blew me away!
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Marijuana is the gateway to potato chips...

laugh
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Apocalypse Troll is quite the funny guy with one-liners, it turns out.

He's getting wittier every day
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Marijuana is the gateway to potato chips...

laugh

Apocalypse Troll is quite the funny guy with one-liners, it turns out.

He's getting wittier every day
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FACT=One cannot OD on pot, unless it is death by muchies
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wtf I have a couple of questions for those who think it is great!! Would you HIRE a baby-sitter for your baby if you knew he or she was a pot head??? Would you pay to hire a mechanic for your new car and repairman man for your new T.V. etc. if you knew he was a pot head??? I somehow did NOT think so??? Tells you all you need to know about your Government and how it is operated???? It is a side show of well you fill in the blanks!!


Point taken...

1) How do you know your baby sitter isn't a huffer or into some of the other weird shit that's done today? ehhh

2) How do you know that these repair persons you mentioned are not coke heads in the off hours?

All you have to do is look and listen around you to know people in "more structured" environs are sometimes acquainted with reality stretchers.

Not to yea or nay but I have seen people being more productive when stoned than when not.

Before I became a nurse, I was an LCDC (licensed chemical dependency counselor) that's why I said "alcohol IS the gateway drug." 98% of the addicts I worked with said the FIRST DRUG THEY DID WAS ALCOHOL AND/OR NICOTINE, usually in conjunction. Now to address your valid questions.
1) A "huffer" by definition is one who inhales aerosol chemicals or glue. The other "weird shit" I would not like. Pot doesn't bother me unless they smoked in the house exposing my child to second hand smoke of any kind.
2) Coke heads go a little farther than I would care to go and they do get paranoid. But then again, their "off hours" are not really my business.
Here is a freaky thing we learned in pharmacology class. Our professor told us that a herion user, who used clean needles and herion that was not cut with speed or other equally bad substance, had a hell of a lot better body organs than a casual drinker!!!!!! Theoretically, they could be an organ donor before a drinker!! THAT blew me away!
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Understood but this thread is about legalization of pot and there is world of mood "enhancers" out there I think your post referenced. Maybe I'm wrong.
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the main reason crime is high in cali....

is beacause pot is illegal....

and the gangs there fight over the territory to sell it....

legalize pot and the crime rate would actually go down...
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Marijuana is the gateway to potato chips...

chuckle You should register that comment, if pot goes legal Lay's will need a good slogan!
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MJ and fritolay make it all OK
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When all the people who start smoking dope quit their jobs to start playing guitar or paint than California will be in an even bigger economic mess.

Don't give in to the loser dope fiends, Arnold!
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wtf I have a couple of questions for those who think it is great!! Would you HIRE a baby-sitter for your baby if you knew he or she was a pot head??? Would you pay to hire a mechanic for your new car and repairman man for your new T.V. etc. if you knew he was a pot head??? I somehow did NOT think so??? Tells you all you need to know about your Government and how it is operated???? It is a side show of well you fill in the blanks!!


Point taken...

1) How do you know your baby sitter isn't a huffer or into some of the other weird shit that's done today? ehhh

2) How do you know that these repair persons you mentioned are not coke heads in the off hours?

All you have to do is look and listen around you to know people in "more structured" environs are sometimes acquainted with reality stretchers.

Not to yea or nay but I have seen people being more productive when stoned than when not.

Before I became a nurse, I was an LCDC (licensed chemical dependency counselor) that's why I said "alcohol IS the gateway drug." 98% of the addicts I worked with said the FIRST DRUG THEY DID WAS ALCOHOL AND/OR NICOTINE, usually in conjunction. Now to address your valid questions.
1) A "huffer" by definition is one who inhales aerosol chemicals or glue. The other "weird shit" I would not like. Pot doesn't bother me unless they smoked in the house exposing my child to second hand smoke of any kind.
2) Coke heads go a little farther than I would care to go and they do get paranoid. But then again, their "off hours" are not really my business.
Here is a freaky thing we learned in pharmacology class. Our professor told us that a herion user, who used clean needles and herion that was not cut with speed or other equally bad substance, had a hell of a lot better body organs than a casual drinker!!!!!! Theoretically, they could be an organ donor before a drinker!! THAT blew me away!


Understood but this thread is about legalization of pot and there is world of mood "enhancers" out there I think your post referenced. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear in my statement. Sorry. I have no problems with folks that are moderate pot smokers. Most responsible smokers pace themselves and smoke accordingly. There will always be those that overdo everything from food , drink, etc. I'm not talking about some teenager in their parents basement that blasts all the day and night and plays video games and can only speak using the "you know" every other word in any conversation. You know? LOL
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If they legalize it. They can also regulate and it (edited)

May be a good thing, stop the minors from smoking it.

And maybe the cartels and other criminal elements will start losing control.

But why stop with pot, they should legalize other drugs too.
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How in the world would it stop the minors from smoking it?

Illegal before and they smoked it.

Illegal (for minors) with new legislation and they'll still do it.

Does making the drinking age 21 stop underage drinking?

C'mon.
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When all the people who start smoking dope quit their jobs to start playing guitar or paint than California will be in an even bigger economic mess.

Don't give in to the loser dope fiends, Arnold!
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I agree. Pot smokers, by and large, in my past experience, do not make the best and most productive members of society.
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It's obvious on this thread who watched Reefer Madness and believes that pot is the demon seed. The myopic vision of the religiosity distorts and demonizes everything they fear. Fear, shame and guilt, wow, what a way to live.
Pot could be a revitalizing cash crop for small farmers that don't qualify for government subsidy.
Legalizing it would change nothing except bring in revenue, you either smoke or don't.
Greenshoots!!!!
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No - I lived with a pot-head. That's all it took to teach me that it's not a good way to go.

He didn't care about anything. Not the way he looked or smelled, not his health, not his job, not his family - and he wasn't like that for the 2 years he was clean.
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When all the people who start smoking dope quit their jobs to start playing guitar or paint than California will be in an even bigger economic mess.

Don't give in to the loser dope fiends, Arnold!



I agree. Pot smokers, by and large, in my past experience, do not make the best and most productive members of society.
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you need different friends then, getting stoned does not make one less productive. the laws that keep stoners inside is what makes a less productive individual
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I'm a nurse. I had a serious GI issue and went from 125 lbs to 104. My doctor prescribed dronabinol (marinnol) which is sythetic THC (pot) to help me regain the weight. I almost had a friggin' stroke when I filled the prescription. THREE HUNDRED AND SOMETHING DOLLARS which is equal to SEVEN DOLLARS AND SOME CENTS A CAPSULE!!! I'm suppose to take one capsule three times a day 30-60 minutes before meals. We discussed the $$ situation and off the record decided it would be cheaper to get some herb, smoke it but keep the prescription, so that if I was drug tested, I wouldn't loose my nursing license.
Here is a bit of TRIVIA about herb. Did you know it has the MOST lanoleic and linoleic essential (body doesn't make it but needs it to function) AND balanced PROTEIN than any of the over three million known edible plant species??? It could feed a starving world!!!! Only the female plants get you high, by the way but the male plants also have the nutritional aspects, as well.
The ONLY reason it was made illegal is because of WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST, the egotistical ass who in 1937 MADE Congress vote it illegal. Dr. Woodword went before Congress to plead that the medicinal value of cannabis was crucial to healthcare. Guess who won??/ $$$$$$$$$$$$
It was the year the Hearst chemist invented the first sythetic fiber. Prior to that hemp was number one, as the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Guttenberg Bible and most other things including clothing were made from Hemp. Read THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES by Jack Herer.
Oh, the US Navy, during WWII begged the US population to "GROW HEMP FOR VICTORY" because we were the ONLY and still are, the ONLY industrialized country that doesn't grow it!! We had no supply for the ropes for our ships and a butt load of other items.
ONe acre, harvested twice a year=60 barrels of what is equivalent to crude oil which can power cars and other itmes we need, IT IS TRULY AMAZING THAT THE LITTLE "WEED" COULD ACTUALLY SAVE THE PLANET!!! NO kidding!!!

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Preach on!

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Ahh ... SO NICE to see those who see things clearly. I'd love to add a little bit more to what the nurse says about the 'Hemp for Victory' campaign too, did a college paper on that in economics class ... yes, economics ...

It is more important than EVER to understand that right now, HEMP can single-handedly save the entire American economy. It could truly be a 'One Hit' Wonder, no pun intended.

That marijuana is primarily thought of as a drug at all is sheer testimony to the success of those who caused it to be criminalized in the first place.

The original prohibition of cannabis had NOTHING to do with public health or sobriety, as the nurse above eloquently put it ... and had everything to do with several lucrative patents that might not have competed so well in an environment where hemp was still under cultivation.

In fact, the specific patents involved a process for making paper out of wood pulp (most paper had previously been made from hemp), and that new synthetic fiber she mentioned was a new little thing called "NYLON"...go figure we could have been saving trees and rain forests this whole time, right...

So, President Roosevelt initiated that 'HEMP FOR VICTORY' campaign during the 40's that led to wild hemp being GROWN all across the mid-west...and then decades later, that seriously misguided 'war on drugs' the feds created in the 80's allowed the DEA to spend roughly 9 million per year (in 1998-9 figures at the time of my paper) on those SAME HEMP remnants (again, w/ taxpayer dollars) to be eradicated to 'justify' the war. Note that it would take HUNDREDS of pounds for anyone to get high from wild hemp. So all that destruction in the name of what? Politicians keeping office.



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the laws that keep stoners inside is what makes a less productive individual
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less productive 'stoner'
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When all the people who start smoking dope quit their jobs to start playing guitar or paint than California will be in an even bigger economic mess.

Don't give in to the loser dope fiends, Arnold!



I agree. Pot smokers, by and large, in my past experience, do not make the best and most productive members of society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 426194


and it`s also hard to send them to fight wars....

cause their awareness is heightened.....
Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu.

Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear in my statement. Sorry. I have no problems with folks that are moderate pot smokers. Most responsible smokers pace themselves and smoke accordingly. There will always be those that overdo everything from food , drink, etc. I'm not talking about some teenager in their parents basement that blasts all the day and night and plays video games and can only speak using the "you know" every other word in any conversation. You know? LOL
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I'm with you all the way.

Yes there are those that abuse but as you say moderation is the key here. Question - as you say - is how to we delineate?

Great points, would enjoy a debate with you.

Thank you
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I agree. Pot smokers, by and large, in my past experience, do not make the best and most productive members of society.
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It's all in the person, not what they smoke or drink, Ive known lazy ass friends who don't do anything productive that dont smoke and drink also.

I smoke daily, been holding my career job for 8 years now, still moving up the ladder, and work hard on my freelance work at night.

like I said, it's all in the person...
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I agree. Pot smokers, by and large, in my past experience, do not make the best and most productive members of society.



It's all in the person, not what they smoke or drink, Ive known lazy ass friends who don't do anything productive that dont smoke and drink also.

I smoke daily, been holding my career job for 8 years now, still moving up the ladder, and work hard on my freelance work at night.

like I said, it's all in the person...
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it also depends on the work....

pot is good for meanial repetitive work....

it makes it exciting....

never bored....
Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu.

Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher.
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...I finished up that last line too soon.

Destruction in the name of money, votes, and all because you can't patent a plant .... so let good people die for all they care ...

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I agree. Pot smokers, by and large, in my past experience, do not make the best and most productive members of society.



It's all in the person, not what they smoke or drink, Ive known lazy ass friends who don't do anything productive that dont smoke and drink also.

I smoke daily, been holding my career job for 8 years now, still moving up the ladder, and work hard on my freelance work at night.

like I said, it's all in the person...
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Not necessarily. Ex-husband was a great person without the pot. Started smoking weed and quickly became a self-absorbed lowlife neglectful of everything and everyone including himself.
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When all the people who start smoking dope quit their jobs to start playing guitar or paint than California will be in an even bigger economic mess.

Don't give in to the loser dope fiends, Arnold!



I agree. Pot smokers, by and large, in my past experience, do not make the best and most productive members of society.

you need different friends then, getting stoned does not make one less productive. the laws that keep stoners inside is what makes a less productive individual
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I don't make friends with pot-heads anymore for this very reason. I've seen my share. Plenty of them.

I don't like what it does to people.
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sorry jest don't support bitches with munchies trying to race over somebody to get chips and dip at dem evening time.

How's going to profit something besides the snack food industry solely and that I have smelt that all along. be a debil plant.

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Just think about how much they'd rake in if they'd regulate crack, meth, pcp and mescaline.

Add in prostitution, extortion, protection fees by the mafia and murder, they won't have to cut taxes AT ALL!
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would get all up in the industry if this went down

think of the potential...


pot inventions released into the free market.....
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Reefer fuckin' MADNESS !!!!!

lol legalize it already......
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Native American's could handle it in a society, before Europian's came....The PTB cannot because they cannot figure out how to tax it, since it is a "weed that grow's free".............
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Keep the stuff illegal, it took us years to get rid of the damn hippies anyway. damned
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We never left. Dude we are everywhere, and you dont even know it. you must be blind.
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If they legalize it. They can also regulate and it (edited)

May be a good thing, stop the minors from smoking it.

And maybe the cartels and other criminal elements will start losing control.

But why stop with pot, they should legalize other drugs too.



How in the world would it stop the minors from smoking it?

Illegal before and they smoked it.

Illegal (for minors) with new legislation and they'll still do it.

Does making the drinking age 21 stop underage drinking?

C'mon.
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If you investigate the "underage" using mind altering drugs, you will find that MOST of them get high from Presciption drugs from their or a friends parents medicine cabinet. They also help themselves to the LEGAL alcohol in their or their friends home.
Phony ID's have been around since my granny's time. Irresponsible idiots who procure the drug alcohol or the drug nicotine or other prescription drugs for minors, unfortunately, will also be around. NOTHING IS PERFECT but why should responsible LEGAL AGE persons be denied because of what "might" happen?





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