I’ll Probably Get A Lot Of Backlash For Saying This, BUT WHEN WOMEN STARTED WORKING OUTSIDE THE HOME, Society Started To FALL APART!

I am being honest, not sarcastic. If you search my posts back 15 years ago, I said the same thing then. I accept my responsibility and encourage all women, before the fucking woke shit took place, stand your ground, protect your ass, be 50% responsible for the outcome.

And how old are YOU to be lecturing me? What do YOU know of it? It's not only my experience but that of my parents who both grew up in the Depression - my father well before that, and my grandparents and all the other elderly people around me. I am telling you WOMEN DID NOT GENERALLY WORK OUTSIDE THE HOME. It was considered embarrassing because it meant your husband was a LOSER who could not support you. Yes, during WW2 itself women worked outside but that was because the men were at war, of course. Before that women who had small children DID NOT WORK OUTSIDE THE HOME as a rule.

You literally don't know what you're talking about.

Oh and families that had farms the whole family worked on the farm-dad, mom, and kids when they were able to

The point of not being an apologist for men by taking the blame and putting it on women is important.

Blame deflecting is a defense mechanism. Used in war also as a tactic against the enemy. So there's a fine line when it comes to taking responsibility for behavior patterns.

Patriarchal society isn't natural. There has to be balance or the birthing rights of women are infringed. So if the man wants to be in charge then they ALL have to act accordingly and be responsible for the majority of the work load.

Once that broke down in the 1970's then women were forced to work. The key difference between patriarchy and feminism is their treatment of women; in patriarchy, women face oppression and discrimination whereas, in feminism, women have equal rights to men. Patriarchy is a system of society or government in which men hold power and women are largely excluded from it.

So men weren't willing to give up their dominance and wanted their cake too. However, if we place the blame on women then men get their cake too. See how that works?

That's what you get when you dont appreciate women for their work and sacrifice as mothers for HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of YEARS. Ancient people worshipped motherhood and the three goddesses (mother, grandmother and virgin/daughter). The worship of three goddesses was eventually turned into the worship of "three kings". Youre surprised women left home to work outside? Well, they were treated as servants for far too long and that's the result. In the region I live in graves of female warriors have been found. So you see, even some 1700 years ago women here were "working outside home".

You also have to understand that most of us that I grew up with came from farming backgrounds (no matter where we came from) and that shaped our thinking. In those farming communities, the home/farm was the center of life and people did everything (as much as possible) on the farm. City life of course was different but people still brought their farm based morays with them.

As a woman I also agree. The 1960s-1970s "feminist movement" was only destruction. One of it's nefarious intentions was to get more women into the workforce- flooding it with more people- and bring down wages, salaries, etc. and it worked. Now, because of that and other policy factors it is very difficult for many men to support a wife and children alone.

Totally agree.

Yep. Industrialization and WWI WWII changed things.

NOW as we come up on WWIII it's going to be much worse and women will not be able to raise children. There will be MANY orphans, many desperate women, many disabled men, many deaths.

And what will women do? All the work, as usual.

id say right around when electricity replaced the average persons connection to what provides for them

what your talking about, which is lagit, is a result of the automization of the earth bro

As a lesbian trapped in a mans body... I agree

Well I guess your family was better off than a lot of families. Not every family had the luxury of having a woman stay home. Most people lived day to day trying to get by and everyone needed to contribute. You might want to look into some of the child labor statistics during the 1800s and early 1900s not to mention the working conditions for both children and women during that time period

correlation isn't causation.

however

recognizing the fact that this is part of the non-normal-ness is important

stay-at-homes can really make family life nice for all

a strong home life is a basis for society.

I see it a little differently

America was so strong that we created 50% MORE jobs in the workplace. That's a strong economy. That's America.

However, then the vultures came in, the Federal Reserve and took all that labor power and turned it into loans. Loans is what our current economic system is based on. So all women's efforts and hard labor and long hours in the workforce resulted in ... someone oppressing them in different ways, now as a borrower and holder of debt.

A woman's greatest asset is an Education.

Great thread OP.

Last Edited by Agent 99 on 05/13/2021 01:28 PM

It's funny how the generations born since the end of World War II want to change anything that's been the tried and true formula in society for thousands of years.

Starting with the biggest feminist lie of all which is that one woman can do everything- that a woman can have a successful career and raise a happy successful family. Some women can, but not everyone can handle the burden. They either end up doing a mediocre job, or they raised mediocre children. Kids that have been dumped in daycare since they were two months old aren't being raised by their parents. They're being raised by the daycare.

I've had good bosses of both genders. But all of the absolutely terrible, completely unreasonable just batty bosses I've had, have been women. So what do we have now? Look at the world leaders: Pelosi, Harris, Maxine, Merkel.... A leaking canoe full of bad bosses!

Yeah like the song says,, "where have all the cowboys gone? Turning into a bunch of baristas with hair buns I guess.


I'm a woman by the way. Older than dirt. I worked before my daughter was born, I stayed home until she was in high school.

Last Edited by Joaquina on 05/13/2021 01:25 PM

women did work outside the home sometimes

and in those cases, grandparents (and other family members) took up the chores of home making in her place

You are so right.

Taking care of a home and children, when done correctly is a lot of work.

Women these days are exhausted and dissatisfied in many ways. I believe a lot of divorce stems from one partner being stuck with the brunt of the housework and child rearing, while holding down a full-time job.

From the article:
“ According to Stark, research does find that "poor parenting, regardless of the structure of the family, is a primary cause of deviant behavior among children."

Bingo.

Who started that lie? Seems like it gets repeated alot and I never heard it in my lifetime until now. I'm older too.

Few of you seem to have a real, organic understanding of the balance of the roles of men and women in the past. Men worked to bring in the bulk of the money and survival needs, and also protected the family and were the chief decision makers. Every ship needs ONE captain. Women advised their husbands (mine calls it nagging :). Women stayed at home and raised and taught the kids. By teaching I do mean academic things (my mother taught me to read) but mainly moral things, religion, how to behave with others, the history of your family, how to cook or sew - practical skills, etiquette, etc. Those things are not effectively - or at all - taught in nursery schools or day care. Women also cared for the sick, the elderly, and for people in the neighborhood and always knew what was going on and looked out for each other. They knew what was going on and a lot of things could be nipped in the bud if someone was falling into trouble. Now everyone is busy, or scared of each other, or just don't care.

Those old roles worked and we don't have a replacement for them. All we have is the GOVERNMENT and that sure as HELL doesn't work!

Right.

Before the 1970's most households were multigenerational. So there were those who checked responsibility.

When households became single family that's when the deviant behavior started. And dirty little secrets could be secret, like porn, and affairs, and drug indulgence, and sex all the time, and neglect of children.

So still blaming women?

Yep.

Man. It’s even worse than that. The vast majority of younger women want sugar daddies and have no useful skills. So if they stay home
One day they are even less useful.

Technology, led by electricity in the homes, changed everything.

Moving Pictures gave people a different view of things, not found in their small towns.

Electricity led to easier work in the factories, allowing women to become factory workers.

Women worked away from home, and the home life was destroyed.

How can you stop the march of technology, in order to protect the natural roles of men and women?

I was not yet born at that time, so thanks for the insight. It does seem like some sort of financial strategy- more people in debt planned for down the road explains it. It seems to have gone from families being able to afford "nicer things", a large savings account, etc. because the woman worked outside the home to most women having to work to just have a lower middle class-middle class life.

Ok. But still you weren’t responsible for his bad choices and behavior.

If you were helping your husband and he still chose to be irresponsible, how is that your fault is all I’m asking?

Cheap labor for corporations. More tax money for govt. grows the economy. Women were tricked.