I’ll Probably Get A Lot Of Backlash For Saying This, BUT WHEN WOMEN STARTED WORKING OUTSIDE THE HOME, Society Started To FALL APART!

My mother was a drunk stay at home mom. She did nothing but abuse and lie and neglect her four children. So wholesome!

I remember this well too. My own mother was illegitimate (her father died before she was born & before they could marry). It was a source of very real shame and pain to her all her life. THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE. I'm sorry for what she went through but shame keeps people in line and helps them to do the right thing as a group. We cannot be too compassionate as that is actually destructive of society and is used against us.

1. because men were having extramarital affairs
2. women were being challenged for domesticating men, who the fuck wants that job?
3. stay home with tv lazyboy chair hubby or escape
4. Vogue, fashion was no longer affordable because men weren't taking care of their women
5. Divorce still came with stigma for the woman
6. Men weren't breadwinning so the woman could be mom
7. Mom not home makes kids crazy
8. Extramarital affairs
9. porn is for men...

:scrumpbump:

True. It is rare. There are always exceptions.

One of my great grandmother's sisters was 14 when she got pregnant. The man was in his 40s. Her family sent the girl off to have the baby in secret because it was such a disgrace to the family. She wound up miscarrying and losing the baby. She herself died not too much longer. From what I'm told she wasn't even allowed a proper burial. She's buried in one of the local cemeteries here in an unmarked grave.

Nothing ever happened to the man, of course.

I remember even when in the poorest neighborhoods of my city that there were NO HOMELESS PEOPLE AT ALL. I NEVER saw a homeless person. NEVER.

Drug addicts were SHUNNED.

No one would ever pee in public or deface a building. All of this was uncivilized and you would be punished.

The cops were looked up to - literally - and feared. AS THEY SHOULD BE. But they were also pretty honest and good men. Just...no nonsense.

I have never met one woman who has ever said she was to blame for her broken marriages or relationships. Never once.

I’ll Probably Get A Lot Of Backlash For Saying This, BUT WHEN WOMEN STARTED WORKING OUTSIDE THE HOME, Society Started To FALL APART!
And now all hell is breaking loose it appears.

This isn’t an indictment against women, as I am a woman myself (see avatar) but after contemplating this subject, I think what I’m saying has a lot of validity.

You can agree or disagree.

These are just my thoughts on the matter.

Since the 1970’s, there has been an acceleration towards society’s decline

Since the 1970’s:

1) abortion was legalized (1973)
2) the feminist movement :” In 1971, feminist Gloria Steinem joined Betty Friedan and Bella Abzug in founding the National Women’s Political Caucus“
3) in the 70’s there was a push to get women working outside the home. This was pushed in the media via television shows such as “ The Mary TylerMoore Show” (1970-77) “ one Day At A Time” (1975-1984)
“ Alice” (1976-1985”,”Maude” (1972-78) and on and on.
4) Ms. Magazine was founded in 1972.
5) Divorce was made more acceptable in the 1970’s. No fault divorce came into effect in 1970.
6) Daycare for children started to become popular due to more women working outside the home
7) the use of ADHD drugs such as Ritalin became popular in the 1970’s and onward.
8) Explosion iof sexually transmitted diseases ( started in the late 60’s)
9) Pornography....we know how has exploded

There is definitely a correlation between the traditional family structure breaking down and society breaking down which has resulted in divorce, ADHD chiidren’s behavior, a growing disrespect between the sexes: women against men, and men against women.

While I am not saying that the “ Ozzie And Harriet” lifestyle is the one everyone should be living, as that was a manufactured Hollywood illusion anyway, what I am saying is that all these factors have contributed to a breakdown in society.

If you have women working outside the home, who’s watching the children?

SOMEBODY ELSE.

And our out of control children are a RESULT of the neglect we see in society today.

-Women who don’t know how to act like women...ie snowflakes, who DEMAND their rights but get no respect, tattoos, shaving their hair, sexually irresponsible etc.

-Men who turn to the homosexual lifestyle because they don’t have good male role models due to divorce
-men rejecting their role as providers ...lonely men who only find satisfaction in temporary sexual encounters but only crave more and more

All because Mom (and dad) are not there to instill his/his values into their children.
If mom is working a full time job too, BOTH parents are exhausted, so it be comes a tug of war between who does the chores, giving children supervision, baths, putting dinner on the table etc.etc. Etc. which leads to fighting, lack of sex, frustration

Which’s leads to a disordered home and eventually a broken home, divorce, unhappy children, unhappy parents. Unhappy society.

Personally, I know when I gave up a lucrative career in the fashion industry, over time I have seen the positive result of my choosing to become a stay at home mother. And a support to my husband.


I enjoy making him tasty meals that he likes and makes me feel appreciated when he likes them, for example.

Simple enough right? So simple we tend to dismiss these traditional things.

Having a clean well ordered home..who has the energy and time to have this when you are working a full time job outside the home?

Well fed disciplined children who understand right from wrong.

Yes, initially, we had to downsize. And sacrifice some of the extras we were enjoying.
But now my family is ABUNDANTLY blessed with more than we want or need. You make adjustments. And it works.

Who needs a McMansion and chasing after all the goodies when you PEACE and contentment?

I am happier than I have ever been. God has blessed my husband career more than ever and I am seeing the fruit of our discipline and sacrifice...

Hubby is blessed and feels respected because of his providing for the family.
I am not saying I am the poster child for domestic bliss, or that I am “all that”, because my hubby and I have had to work out and thru our differences. This takes time.

But in perspective, it has been time well invested and I wouldn’t want it any other way.
Basically, what I am saying is it can be done and if enough catch on to “going back to basics” we might see a lot happier, well adjusted people who contribute to society rather than tear it down.

And lest anyone thinks I am knocking my own sex, this thread is not addressed towards single women or divorced women, who, due to circumstances, have to work because the ex can’t or won’t pay child support and because they need to put food on the table...

No, this is addressed towards those who think chasing the almighty dollar is where it’s at...because it’s not...it only brings heartache when your career is your only friend, and you allow someone else to raise your own flesh and blood.

It’s heartache to you, and to your offspring. And to society.

What a well thought out and well presented argument. I happen to agree with you. Not because I think as a man I should be entitled to work, then sit around and drink beer waiting for a woman to cook dinner either.

You sound like a good person and I suspect your family is very lucky to have you.

What a well thought out and well presented argument. I happen to agree with you. Not because I think as a man I should be entitled to work, then sit around and drink beer waiting for a woman to cook dinner either.

You sound like a good person and I suspect your family is very lucky to have you.

I am 50% responsible for divorcing my 1st husband. I was 50% responsible for him smoking crack, losing his job and hitting me before our daughter was less than a year old. I am 50% responsible because I didn't think his choice to smoke crack had anything to do with all the work I had done to get him thru undergrad and grad school were worth sticking around.

Only 50% though.

Don’t put the cart before the horse. It was industrialization and the two world wars.

I am 50% responsible for divorcing my 1st husband. I was 50% responsible for him smoking crack, losing his job and hitting me before our daughter was less than a year old. I am 50% responsible because I didn't think his choice to smoke crack had anything to do with all the work I had done to get him thru undergrad and grad school were worth sticking around.

Only 50% though.

That's not true. If women had jobs, they worked in the home so they could also look after the kids. They did NOT go out to work when they had small children unless they were widows or had no other means of support. Jobs outside the home, where there were small children, WERE THE EXCEPTION. I'm old enough to remember this.

I’ll Probably Get A Lot Of Backlash For Saying This, BUT WHEN WOMEN STARTED WORKING OUTSIDE THE HOME, Society Started To FALL APART!
And now all hell is breaking loose it appears.

This isn’t an indictment against women, as I am a woman myself (see avatar) but after contemplating this subject, I think what I’m saying has a lot of validity.

You can agree or disagree.

These are just my thoughts on the matter.

Since the 1970’s, there has been an acceleration towards society’s decline

Since the 1970’s:

1) abortion was legalized (1973)
2) the feminist movement :” In 1971, feminist Gloria Steinem joined Betty Friedan and Bella Abzug in founding the National Women’s Political Caucus“
3) in the 70’s there was a push to get women working outside the home. This was pushed in the media via television shows such as “ The Mary TylerMoore Show” (1970-77) “ one Day At A Time” (1975-1984)
“ Alice” (1976-1985”,”Maude” (1972-78) and on and on.
4) Ms. Magazine was founded in 1972.
5) Divorce was made more acceptable in the 1970’s. No fault divorce came into effect in 1970.
6) Daycare for children started to become popular due to more women working outside the home
7) the use of ADHD drugs such as Ritalin became popular in the 1970’s and onward.
8) Explosion iof sexually transmitted diseases ( started in the late 60’s)
9) Pornography....we know how has exploded

There is definitely a correlation between the traditional family structure breaking down and society breaking down which has resulted in divorce, ADHD chiidren’s behavior, a growing disrespect between the sexes: women against men, and men against women.

While I am not saying that the “ Ozzie And Harriet” lifestyle is the one everyone should be living, as that was a manufactured Hollywood illusion anyway, what I am saying is that all these factors have contributed to a breakdown in society.

If you have women working outside the home, who’s watching the children?

SOMEBODY ELSE.

And our out of control children are a RESULT of the neglect we see in society today.

-Women who don’t know how to act like women...ie snowflakes, who DEMAND their rights but get no respect, tattoos, shaving their hair, sexually irresponsible etc.

-Men who turn to the homosexual lifestyle because they don’t have good male role models due to divorce
-men rejecting their role as providers ...lonely men who only find satisfaction in temporary sexual encounters but only crave more and more

All because Mom (and dad) are not there to instill his/his values into their children.
If mom is working a full time job too, BOTH parents are exhausted, so it be comes a tug of war between who does the chores, giving children supervision, baths, putting dinner on the table etc.etc. Etc. which leads to fighting, lack of sex, frustration

Which’s leads to a disordered home and eventually a broken home, divorce, unhappy children, unhappy parents. Unhappy society.

Personally, I know when I gave up a lucrative career in the fashion industry, over time I have seen the positive result of my choosing to become a stay at home mother. And a support to my husband.


I enjoy making him tasty meals that he likes and makes me feel appreciated when he likes them, for example.

Simple enough right? So simple we tend to dismiss these traditional things.

Having a clean well ordered home..who has the energy and time to have this when you are working a full time job outside the home?

Well fed disciplined children who understand right from wrong.

Yes, initially, we had to downsize. And sacrifice some of the extras we were enjoying.
But now my family is ABUNDANTLY blessed with more than we want or need. You make adjustments. And it works.

Who needs a McMansion and chasing after all the goodies when you have PEACE and contentment?

I am happier than I have ever been. God has blessed my husband career more than ever and I am seeing the fruit of our discipline and sacrifice...

Hubby is blessed and feels respected because of his providing for the family.
I am not saying I am the poster child for domestic bliss, or that I am “all that”, because my hubby and I have had to work out and thru our differences. This takes time.

But in perspective, it has been time well invested and I wouldn’t want it any other way.
Basically, what I am saying is it can be done and if enough catch on to “going back to basics” we might see a lot happier, well adjusted people who contribute to society rather than tear it down.

And lest anyone thinks I am knocking my own sex, this thread is not addressed towards single women or divorced women, who, due to circumstances, have to work because the ex can’t or won’t pay child support and because they need to put food on the table...

No, this is addressed towards those who think chasing the almighty dollar is where it’s at...because it’s not...it only brings heartache when your career is your only friend, and you allow someone else to raise your own flesh and blood.

It’s heartache to you, and to your offspring. And to society.

Yeah let's blame women then. Not fathers who left the women to have to work and be a mom and a dad. Because if you look at the statistics it's not when a woman works outside the home it's when she does it all alone that the family unit can't function correctly and you'll see that projected on society.

But yeah, keep em in the kitchen right?

Back then there were resources. So the jail would house the town drunk and give him breakfast. Druggies were taken to the cheap motel and housed.

Immigrants appreciated the freedom of the US and were respectful. They were hard workers.

There are only 3 factors of Disaster:
1. population density (we are at the peak now)
2. resource depletion (peak now)
3. Gender imbalance (what this thread is about).

The 20's really started the whole woman's lib thing, which has been a disaster for all.

The 20's really started the whole woman's lib thing, which has been a disaster for all.

You are remembering a time period where women working was less common. During WW2 and before that women regularly worked outside the home. Do you have memories prior to WW2? I doubt it. Not all women but a good portion worked outside the home. More well to do women did not have have to but a good many did and during WW2 it was a necessity to keep the economy going. You need to look beyond your own limited history. Relatives took care of the first kids or they worked alternate hours from husbands and as the first kids became older they took care of the young ones. It was not uncommon for kids as young as 8 to care for their younger siblings.