Derek Chauvin Trial - Day 13 - LiveStream | |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382354538204659720 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382354715007201281 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
Herr Decider
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79324350 United States 04/14/2021 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought they established earlier in the trial this was in fact a hybrid. But I may be misremembering. Quoting: Corporal Punishment Yes that was established by the State. Ah OK that must have been before I started watching daily. That water leaking out on the pavement could have been from the air conditioner too. |
Corporal Punishment
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BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought they established earlier in the trial this was in fact a hybrid. But I may be misremembering. Quoting: Corporal Punishment Yes that was established by the State. Ah OK that must have been before I started watching daily. That water leaking out on the pavement could have been from the air conditioner too. Yes very early in the case I think it was the EMT Derek Smith that was questioned about that, CO2 levels . "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382355504790441985 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
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BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382357445259984896 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
Herr Decider
User ID: 80245708 United States 04/14/2021 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nelson and this witness are setting up reasonable doubt in a very exquisite manner. Leaving no stone unturned, but keeping the focus. Meth and adrenaline vasoconstrictors making the artery more narrow than 90%, the location of the constriction being in the worst spot, the specific part of the heart that was not getting enough 02 governs the rhythm or arrhythmia which causes sudden death. Last Edited by Augmentalist on 04/14/2021 11:53 AM Augmented by Grace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79324350 United States 04/14/2021 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not liking this at all. I really thought Nelson would do better than this, but all he has to do is achieve reasonable doubt. Quoting: 18328 Honestly I actually think Dr. Apartheid is pretty convincing. He laid out pretty clearly how cardiac arrest can happen without total blockage of an artery, which was the big thing that the prosecution experts were touting to say Floyd didn't die from a heart attack. Per this guy, extreme physical exertion plus mega high blood pressure and narrowed arteries reducing blood flow below needed levels can cause the heart's pace maker to malfunction even if some blood is still getting through. |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382360482636574723 12:10 ET "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
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BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382358849890361345 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
muckuh
User ID: 79571087 United States 04/14/2021 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not liking this at all. I really thought Nelson would do better than this, but all he has to do is achieve reasonable doubt. Quoting: 18328 YOU ALSO HAVE TO THINK...THAT HE'S THINKING..IF I GET THIS GUY OFF...IM DEAD... MICHAEL SAVAGE HAS ALREADY SAVAGED HIM FOR NOT TAKING SOME SORT OF PLEA DEAL...LIKE THE ONE THAT THE 'MUSLIM' COP FROM MINNEAPOLIS GOT FOR MURDERING THAT AUSTRALIAN WOMAN..HE GOT 12 YEARS..WILL DO LESS...HE SHOULD HAVE NEG. FOR THAT IF CHAUVIN WOULD HAVE LET HIM. UH! muckuh |
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muckuh
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BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought Fentanyl Floyd's girlfriend Percocet Annie worked at McDonalds...I see nothing indicating she worked as a "teacher"...(depending on one's definition of teacher, that is).... Quoting: yibba-yibba "Ross shared with The Washington Post that she was working as a dean at Edison High School while Daunte was a student there." [link to www.binnews.com (secure)] "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
Serpentine Green
User ID: 78689367 United States 04/14/2021 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought Fentanyl Floyd's girlfriend Percocet Annie worked at McDonalds...I see nothing indicating she worked as a "teacher"...(depending on one's definition of teacher, that is).... Quoting: yibba-yibba Street drugs... the modern day 'chicken pox" blankets for minority neighborhoods. Bring out your dead!!! Serpentine Green |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79405557 United States 04/14/2021 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought Fentanyl Floyd's girlfriend Percocet Annie worked at McDonalds...I see nothing indicating she worked as a "teacher"...(depending on one's definition of teacher, that is).... Quoting: yibba-yibba "Ross shared with The Washington Post that she was working as a dean at Edison High School while Daunte was a student there." [link to www.binnews.com (secure)] Thankyou for that linky. And if that really is the case then it totally explains the current state of affairs in the inner city school systems. |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382366425298432001 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382367040187547651 This is a great point. Car exhausts do normally emit some water. Last Edited by BBQ BOY™ on 04/14/2021 12:19 PM "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
snark
Forum Administrator 04/14/2021 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how does this help Chauvin?? T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Carbon Monoxide poisoning. "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382368562187268099 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
snark
Forum Administrator 04/14/2021 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From [link to legalinsurrection.com (secure)] OVER 5,000 DISCOVERY ITEMS DUMPED ON DEFENSE DURING TRIAL Another interesting mention in yesterday’s “housekeeping” meeting with Judge Cahill came up in the context of the number of disclosures and exhibits that have been dumped on the defense in this case—a large chunk of which have been dumped on the defense even as the trial was taking place. As background, there are always materials collected by the parties that ought to be shared with the opposing counsel as part of discovery. Under Minnesota procedure, each item is labeled with what’s called a Bates stamp, a unique identifying number, and then a bunch of these are collected together and delivered as a “disclosure.” Ideally, by the time a trial actually starts both sides will have long since received the other’s disclosure items, early enough to have time to consider and research them before the trial begins. That has not been the process in this trial, particularly with respect of state disclosures to the defense. When this trial began, the state had already delivered to the defense 41 disclosures consisting of 45,118 Bates stamped items. If that sound like a lot, that’s because it is. But the disclosures of the state did not stop there, as one would normally expect. Indeed, not even close. Since the start of the trial—in other words, while the sole defense attorney Nelson has been occupied the entirety of every day in trial on this case—the state has continued to deliver disclosures to the defense, each containing a great many Bates stamped items. Indeed, since the start of the trial the state has made 12 additional disclosures to the defense, consisting of 5,154 additional Bates stamped items. Yes, that’s 5,154. Yesterday was the 12th day of this trial. That works out to the defense having to review newly delivered Bates stamped items at an average of 430 per day. That’s 430 newly delivered Bates items per day. That, folks, is not normal. The defense raised this issue yesterday afternoon in the context of anticipated cross-examination of defense experts by the state today. Much of the most recently delivered discovery consists of materials that could be, certainly will be, used in an attempt to impeach those defense experts. Given the delivery of this discovery so late in the course of the trial, and the volume of the material, the defense is asking the court to order the prosecution to disclose in some detail exactly which of those newly disclosed exhibits it actually intends to use to impeach. The judge asked the prosecution to do so, to the extent they reasonably could, which strikes me as completely ineffectual solution to this real problem for the defense. I expect the real reason the defense raised this issue on the record was, well, to establish it as an issue on the record for purposes of appeal. T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
snark
Forum Administrator 04/14/2021 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean I get that he is insinuating carbon monoxide poisoning, but couldn't the state argue that Chauvin was culpable for this by placing Floyd on the ground near the squad exhaust? T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
Corporal Punishment
User ID: 24262777 United States 04/14/2021 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From [link to legalinsurrection.com (secure)] Quoting: snark OVER 5,000 DISCOVERY ITEMS DUMPED ON DEFENSE DURING TRIAL Another interesting mention in yesterday’s “housekeeping” meeting with Judge Cahill came up in the context of the number of disclosures and exhibits that have been dumped on the defense in this case—a large chunk of which have been dumped on the defense even as the trial was taking place. As background, there are always materials collected by the parties that ought to be shared with the opposing counsel as part of discovery. Under Minnesota procedure, each item is labeled with what’s called a Bates stamp, a unique identifying number, and then a bunch of these are collected together and delivered as a “disclosure.” Ideally, by the time a trial actually starts both sides will have long since received the other’s disclosure items, early enough to have time to consider and research them before the trial begins. That has not been the process in this trial, particularly with respect of state disclosures to the defense. When this trial began, the state had already delivered to the defense 41 disclosures consisting of 45,118 Bates stamped items. If that sound like a lot, that’s because it is. But the disclosures of the state did not stop there, as one would normally expect. Indeed, not even close. Since the start of the trial—in other words, while the sole defense attorney Nelson has been occupied the entirety of every day in trial on this case—the state has continued to deliver disclosures to the defense, each containing a great many Bates stamped items. Indeed, since the start of the trial the state has made 12 additional disclosures to the defense, consisting of 5,154 additional Bates stamped items. Yes, that’s 5,154. Yesterday was the 12th day of this trial. That works out to the defense having to review newly delivered Bates stamped items at an average of 430 per day. That’s 430 newly delivered Bates items per day. That, folks, is not normal. The defense raised this issue yesterday afternoon in the context of anticipated cross-examination of defense experts by the state today. Much of the most recently delivered discovery consists of materials that could be, certainly will be, used in an attempt to impeach those defense experts. Given the delivery of this discovery so late in the course of the trial, and the volume of the material, the defense is asking the court to order the prosecution to disclose in some detail exactly which of those newly disclosed exhibits it actually intends to use to impeach. The judge asked the prosecution to do so, to the extent they reasonably could, which strikes me as completely ineffectual solution to this real problem for the defense. I expect the real reason the defense raised this issue on the record was, well, to establish it as an issue on the record for purposes of appeal. Best source for information on this case that I’ve come across. This attorney does a thorough and fair job at analyzing this case. |