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Notice how nothing I claim is refuted. Learn to discern.
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Are you the OP? If so, I did in fact notice that.

cheers

And 5 stars too.
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Not the OP. True law enforcement.
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Well you're agreeibg with the OP so it works out the same.

cheers

Be careful out there. It's a lousy time to be a good guy in law enforcement.
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Bury a rifle with some ammo... do it.



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You know Trump voters might just be stupid enough to fall for this.

"Register my paperweightsguns with the commie libturd government? Hell no! Ill make a Trust fot each one!"

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How you can still type with Xi’s dick in your mouth is impressive!
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Wow what an ingenious way to document how many firearms you own and how much ammo for each.
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lmao

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War negates all this jazz. War means go time.
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Lol guys, ignore this moron. He is setting you up for fraud weapons charges, each is a felony.

It sounds good but means nothing and wont be observed during your court hearing for whatever charges they stack on you.

You’re literally better off reporting your guns stolen, less time if you get caught.
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"Shall not be infringed upon" means just what it says. It's not open for debate. The 2nd Amendment isn't just about hunting, and, protecting ourselves from enemies & criminals, it's also about protecting ourselves from an overzealous, power drunk, unchecked government.
Leading cause of unnatural deaths in the 20th Century?
Democide. 263,000,000 killed by their own governments. The majority of them communist.
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How about duct taping a pocket constitution on each one.

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nice
we only have each other. And that makes us rich.. . .

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OP is one of those queers who still follows illegal laws
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Idk man..if they come after ALL the guns it will not work in their favor (unless they send robots/drones).

USA is finished if that happens.

I'm not hiding shit.
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Wow what an ingenious way to document how many firearms you own and how much ammo for each.
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lmao

And everyone that replied to this thread is already on a list for future investigation. See how data mines work? Even clicking on this thread is enough to send up a red flag to the Artificial Intelligence that IS in control.

:eyeofsauron:
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Looks like a firecrotch I used to bang in college.
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How about duct taping a pocket constitution on each one.

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I like yer style
We're being pecked to death by a duck.
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Get out of blue states.

Stop following the law, period, unless it aligns with your own beliefs and values.
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This. No reason to follow the law now a days.
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hey OP...what do you fear exactly??? that The laws will be destroyed and they will take what is rightfully yours???
I do not understand....
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The new bill would make transfers from father to son illegal without a background check. This is a way around that.
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Just sounds like another infrininfringements?

What does the 2nd ammendment say about infringments?

No really, do you even read with comprehension bro?

It's a thing.
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Trusts are not fraud, this is how many people own class III weapons. No reason you can't add normal firearms....

All of my kids are part of my trust...the trust owns all of our weapons
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You can't register and vest weapons in the name of a trust
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It's ok. Structuring is all good as long as it has been notarized.tounge

Forget about the Will part of a trust with a named administrator and appropriate beneficiaries and Proof of Will page. What could go wrong.burnit
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Sounds like a great idea. I'll have to trust you on the legality. It's better then reporting them all stolen. I've heard that on here a few times
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Are their any good internet lawyers that will comment on this idea?
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Biden will simply sign yet another Executive order and sidestep it.

You could try though, but they'll probably flag anyone creating trusts, after all, they'll still have an address attached to them.

In these circumstances, your best action is to use this time to CAREFULLY build up a network of patriots to protect your area. Make protection of that amendment your one and only goal and under no circumstances let any member make political speeches. Give them NOTHING to come after you for, keep no lists, maps or plans physically or electronically.
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First, I refuse to jump through the legaleze hoops in order to keep my firearms on a technicality. The Constitution will need to be changed in order for me to even worry about it.

They want my guns? Come and take them.

"When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty"
Thomas Jefferson
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
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hey OP...what do you fear exactly??? that The laws will be destroyed and they will take what is rightfully yours???
I do not understand....
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The new bill would make transfers from father to son illegal without a background check. This is a way around that.
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really??? Explain how a trust can undergo a background check in order to receive a firearm from an individual and unless parent to child or visa versa all transfers have to go through an FFL and the transferrer and transferee both have to undergo background checks... you need to understand the existing laws before spewing nonsense
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The OP simply said to transfer ownership to a trust BEFORE the bill is signed. The trust does not need a background check now.
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I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.
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Harold T of NJ is that you?
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Was it Napoleon who said, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"?

IMHO, the dims are making a HUGE mistake. A large percentage of dims including the foot soldiers will turn against them for any heavy handed arms bans, taxes, or whatever.

Bill Clinton said later that the 1994 assault weapons law cost them 20 seats in the House. That is how Newt and the GOP took over the house and neutered Clinton.

Same stupidity; different year.
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Legal. I don't care.
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The people that make the laws are
AMERICA'S MORTAL ENEMIES.

When the Revolution begins, THEY will be
the FIRST we will "take care of", followed
by the crooked left-wing judges.
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We don't know what they (government) have.

Why should they know what we have?

Register your shit with us Uncle Sugar after all we paid for it.

Put your mo fuckin cards on the table
Irish eyes
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First, I refuse to jump through the legaleze hoops in order to keep my firearms on a technicality. The Constitution will need to be changed in order for me to even worry about it.

They want my guns? Come and take them.

"When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty"
Thomas Jefferson
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That's the spirit!
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The ones making laws are crooks. Their so called laws mean nothing. Ignore them.
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I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.
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So, I debated even bothering to say this but you need to know.

There's a story today on a gun blog about a form 1 suppressor manufacturer who got raided awhile ago having it's website seized today

AND

The atf is now telling everyone who owns a registered suppressor whether form 1 or form 4 from them that they need to surrender them to the ATF and if they don't they are in possession of a federally illegal item.

How does this apply to what you're saying?

Tax stamped form 1 & 4 suppressors are actually LEGALLY PROTECTED under the 1985 firearms owner protection act UNLIKE firearms trust which are dubiously legal ar The Best of times.

The moral here is that the atf is essentially telling people that they have to surrender their entirely legal tax stamped suppressors to ATF even though there is NOTHING in firearm's law that gives the ATF the right or authority to do so much less prosecute you if you don't.

I know it's hard to let go of the idea that we live in a nation of laws where you can legally protect yourself from government overreach etc.


But that was always bullshit. Now it's not only bullshit but they're also not even pretending to give a fuck about whether what they're doing is "legal" anymore.

I haven't managed to look through ALL the house resolutions pertaining to gun control currently on the congressional agenda yet (minimum 8 separate laws and counting so far) But you can rest assured based on what's in the bills we have full access to the text of and etc that they not only have not forgotten about firearm trusts but that there's actively going to be something in at least one of these bills which will specifically deal with trust "loopholes" by name.

Idk how old you are but during the first two Obama terms we came close to losing firearms trusts multiple times (not that they're binding or that the atf gives a shit about the law anyway now)

You can rest assured though that this being obama's third term, gun trusts will be on the list of things they specifically attack by name!

Don't get me wrong, I get it. It's terrifying thinking that we've finally run out of room to back up and that the time is coming in the very near future where the only choice will be to either hand over your guns or fight when they come to take them.

But that is genuinely where we are.

This thing today with the suppressor and suppressor kit manufacturer shows that undeniably.

What the ATF is doing in that situation very specifically violates laws put in place to protect gun owners.

If you think that they wouldn't dare do that to everyone you're just plain wrong. The particular company they raided has legally sold tens of thousands of suppressors and suppressor kits!

That didn't slow the atf down one bit though.

Neither did what they're doing being blatantly illegal.

This is just reality.

In times like these being dishonest with yourself about what the situation really is is one of the faster ways to get yourself hurt or killed...


I know none of us wanted it to come to this or something like this, but the nightmare scenario is here on our doorstep whether we want it or not.

Now it's on us to decide what to do about it
roguetechie
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I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.
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Very good advice. About to make a trust for life insurance policies and guns I own.





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