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You think someone ballsy enough to trespass on the Divine Estate? Oh, friend, it exists. Otherwise, man’s wouldn’t.
Gnosticism. Yeshua/Isa used the tools.

Honor and dishonor are ALL that exist on the battlefield. Commercial or war zone.
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You think someone ballsy enough to trespass on the Divine Estate? Oh, friend, it exists. Otherwise, man’s wouldn’t.
Gnosticism. Yeshua/Isa used the tools.

Honor and dishonor are ALL that exist on the battlefield. Commercial or war zone.
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Are you a Klingon?
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ORAL TRUSTS ARE VALID.

Prove me wrong.
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You think someone ballsy enough to trespass on the Divine Estate? Oh, friend, it exists. Otherwise, man’s wouldn’t.
Gnosticism. Yeshua/Isa used the tools.

Honor and dishonor are ALL that exist on the battlefield. Commercial or war zone.
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Are you a Klingon?
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Who knows?
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ORAL TRUSTS ARE VALID.

Grow a pair.

Keep your powder dry.

Good night.
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Wow what an ingenious way to document how many firearms you own and how much ammo for each.
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You don't have to file a trust in public records. Form the trust, vest it, put the trust paperwork in your safe.
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hesright
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Memorandum of trust does not disclose the contents of said trust. However, it can add to legitimacy of formation and settlement.
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This.

All it does is confirm that the trust does exist. Don’t file your firearm trust in public records. Ffs.
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I can't be bothered to do all this work. When they come for my guns I'll just shoot as many of the zombies as I can before they put me down. I don't give a shit.
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You don't have to file a trust in public records. Form the trust, vest it, put the trust paperwork in your safe.
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hesright
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Memorandum of trust does not disclose the contents of said trust. However, it can add to legitimacy of formation and settlement.
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This.

All it does is confirm that the trust does exist. Don’t file your firearm trust in public records. Ffs.
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OxyMORONish. The memo does but establish a vehicle/JURISDICTION, like said earlier. Jurisdiction cannot be assumed or trespassed vs trust.
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You don't have to file a trust in public records. Form the trust, vest it, put the trust paperwork in your safe.
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hesright
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Memorandum of trust does not disclose the contents of said trust. However, it can add to legitimacy of formation and settlement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29626298


This.

All it does is confirm that the trust does exist. Don’t file your firearm trust in public records. Ffs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78071598


OxyMORONish. The memo does but establish a vehicle/JURISDICTION, like said earlier. Jurisdiction cannot be assumed or trespassed vs trust.
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hesright
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Memorandum of trust does not disclose the contents of said trust. However, it can add to legitimacy of formation and settlement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29626298


This.

All it does is confirm that the trust does exist. Don’t file your firearm trust in public records. Ffs.
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OxyMORONish. The memo does but establish a vehicle/JURISDICTION, like said earlier. Jurisdiction cannot be assumed or trespassed vs trust.
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NO PROPERTY WHATSOEVER NEED BE LISTED IN A MEMO.

Zero. Nada.
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I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.
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If it ever comes down to this ^^^ kind of Mickey Mouse bullshit, the country is already OVER.
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I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.
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If it ever comes down to this ^^^ kind of Mickey Mouse bullshit, the country is already OVER.
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You’ve been living under a rock sense Kent St or Janet Reno..........duly noted.
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I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.
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If it ever comes down to this ^^^ kind of Mickey Mouse bullshit, the country is already OVER.
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You’ve been living under a rock sense Kent St or Janet Reno..........duly noted.
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You’ve been living under a rock since Kent St or Janet Reno..........duly noted.
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Eh I dont own any guns, my plan is to just ambush the first agent/soldier whatever who comes after me, then use his gun and just keep ditching for new ones (keep what you kill) till no ones left to fight.
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Get out of blue states.

Stop following the law, period, unless it aligns with your own beliefs and values.
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All will be blue states stolen elections and hr 1
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How could anyone vote down this thread? Do we have some commie gun haters in here?
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I didn't vote either way, but I'll say this...

Tyrants don't GIVE a shit about legalities. If they want your guns, they will IGNORE any kind of legal protections that you try and afford yourself.

PERIOD.

Thankfully, although they do want your guns, they are not yet in a position to remove them. But they're working on that. And they will not stop until they ARE in a position to remove them.

None of this legal maneuvering is going to amount to a squirt of piss.
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I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.
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If it ever comes down to this ^^^ kind of Mickey Mouse bullshit, the country is already OVER.
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You’ve been living under a rock sense Kent St or Janet Reno..........duly noted.
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You’ve been living under a rock since Kent St or Janet Reno..........duly noted.
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You're totally out of touch with reality.

Duly noted.
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How could anyone vote down this thread? Do we have some commie gun haters in here?
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I didn't vote either way, but I'll say this...

Tyrants don't GIVE a shit about legalities. If they want your guns, they will IGNORE any kind of legal protections that you try and afford yourself.

PERIOD.

Thankfully, although they do want your guns, they are not yet in a position to remove them. But they're working on that. And they will not stop until they ARE in a position to remove them.

None of this legal maneuvering is going to amount to a squirt of piss.
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Ah, the old "squirt of piss" argument.

convinced

not
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If I have to I will put my guns in a trust.....I will trust that where they are no one else will ever find them.
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This is my kind of thread, great subject.
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." - Buckminster Fuller
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Just checked with my boss on this, big gun guy, a vet. Said he already has done this should there ever be a need to avoid probate.
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Just checked with my boss on this, big gun guy, a vet. Said he already has done this should there ever be a need to avoid probate.
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It most certainly allows one to avoid probate as well. In my opinion every family should use trusts if for no other reason than probate. But, people can be lazy and don't bother to address things until it is too late.

Reasons to put firearms in a trust:

(1) You can bring in new trustees and you can also resign as a trustee... thereby taking possession of a firearm without there legally being a "transfer".

(2) No need for probate. The beneficiaries already are named and the process is simple.

(3) Limited asset protection - even though a revocable trust is not intended to serve as asset protection, which is more the function of a non-revocable trust, you still can sort of accomplish it (if married), working with an attorney as maker, and live in a state that does not have joint liability for married people.

Another plus, in Florida, you are not liable for a debt of a spouse if you did not also assume liability for that debt, such as signing on a joint account.

Florida also has amazing protection from creditors and judgments that might come from something unfortunate such as a car accident where a huge judgment awarded against you if you are married. It is called TBE and basically it means that property owned by a married couple can not be individually attached by execution of a judgment... it is totally exempt and can not be touched. Couple that with some of the best homesteeads protection in the country and you are set. Texas is another state I know with really good homestead protection but unfortunately, unlike Florida, Texas is a joint property state and you are liable for the debts of your spouse and they do not have TBE like Florida. One thing to note, if you do go the TBE route in Florida make sure that you title your cars individually -- because if it is held as a TBE asset THEN the TBE can be sued. So assets that can not possibly cause liability (like clothes, household goods, electronics, furniture, jewelry, precious metals, etc) should be held in TBE but items of liability held individually (like car, boat, etc) so there can not be joint liability in the case of an accident. That way losses are limited.

(4) Trusts do NOT have to be filed in public record and everything about them is secret unless you disclose it. One would just want to make sure that the formation of the trust and critical vesting of the trust is NOTARIZED. This establishes WHEN you took these actions which is super important. Also, I would be sure to clearly describe the EXACT firearm you assign into a trust to include the SERIAL NUMBER. This way the agents of evil later can not try to claim that you just swapped in an identical firearm but that it was not the same one.

(5) Trusts can be used to control/own other entities that are more practical for conducting business. For example, New Mexico Corporations do NOT make public any information about officers/directors etc, only the Registered Agent is listed, which can be a company that provides the service for you for like $25 a year. You can have the trust own the corporation 100%. The info about the trust is not public ANYWHERE. If you are not conducting business that generates revenue you don't even need to get a tax number. This "corporation" can be used for simply "owning a car", for example.

Done correctly it is nearly impossible to navigate a web of trusts that own other trusts that own other trusts that own corporations (domestic OR foreign).

(6) Trusts do not cost anything to form (unless you pay an attorney to do it) beyond the cost of a notary stamp (at least in the United States, I don't know about trusts in other countries). There are no annual fees, there are no hidden costs. You do not need to disclose any details about a trust.

Learn about trusts and see why they are amazing. If you are clever you can make nearly everything about you "vanish". Only what you have now that has public title of some sort (car title, deeds to property, etc) that are not originally purchased in the name of the trust but that you TRANSFER via some type of public record (deed recording for example) would you be associated with the trust at all and that would be if someone REALLY wanted to know and did some deep digging and put in a fair amount of effort. So, if you want it to be private make sure the original transaction is in the name of the trust.

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Make sure to include make, model, caliber, and serial number...file it with the courts too.
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Make sure to include make, model, caliber, and serial number...file it with the courts too.
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epiclol
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Which would be one of the most STUPID things someone could do. At that point, why even form the trust.

I never suggested ANYTHING stupid like the quoted text.
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thx OP!
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Is this how criminals in the ghettos get firearms?

charlie
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LOL hell no... in da hood they get one of they baby mommas to buy a gun in her name and then they report it stolen.
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Statute law is inferior to constitutional law. Void from the get go.
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sounds genius
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Sounds but it's just gaming the system and the loop hole will be closed quickly if it's not anticipated in the original bill and closed from the start.
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Lol guys, ignore this moron. He is setting you up for fraud weapons charges, each is a felony.

It sounds good but means nothing and wont be observed during your court hearing for whatever charges they stack on you.

You’re literally better off reporting your guns stolen, less time if you get caught.
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There are legit gun trusts built by legal teams, many folks who own suppressors use them. All documentation created by these specialty law firms are ATF compliant in their paperwork.

The cost isn't crazy either to do it right.

I would agree, self-help gun trust will get tossed out of court and you will get busted.

Not so sure reporting your guns stolen will make any sense either, if there is a bump in reports of stolen guns, it will invite scrutiny if you are part of it.

Even if you get a way with it and then use your stolen gun in self defense under rule of law, guess what, you are still screwed legally.

There are no good work arounds unless the law is changed. I think the NFA gun trusts are a reasonable approach as long as they are done using compliant paperwork.
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Put guns in a trust lol?

If a need for such a thing ever seriously comes, you’d be better off using them to do away for the need in the first place.





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