The Experience

Being very brief about the experience: Ten years ago I came back from an OBE about one inch taller, this lasting for about four days...my aura was also super refined (gold and silver, and far reaching) and I was filled with such a sense of peace I've since yet to experience to that extent.

Harhar, my girlfriend was walking circles around me trying to figure out how I had gotten taller like that, and my boyfriend drank himself stupid with disbelief.

Interesting! Someone I know took a bottle of sleeping pills and... he shrunk. I can tie this into dual meaning... 'sleep' stunts your 'growth'.

Heh, I dunno, I was asleep when I had the OBE...perhaps his muscles started to atrophy from the pills - assuming he slept a long time in one position due to the overdose of pills - and that's why he appeared to shrink...


And, howdy sister!....

So what is your belief/truth after having such an experience?

A few things I ponder...

Where do my thoughts come from?

Has all of this happened before and I am the witness to the experience or is all real happening real time?

Am I the only one who is real? Or are any of us real?

What do I have control of?

Why is my only drive the quest for answers? Something about life always seems off...

I'm not big on belief systems, so I'll call it my personal truth--


Anything is possible, even when you don't know it is possible.


And I'll share this with you, too--

An open mind and a clean subconscious can lead one where naysayers never get to go.

A long time ago, I took 3 hits of window pane, I had all those
thoughts Plus more.

And everything was purple.

Ha ha ha, funny I guess you are without knowing it sort of Gnostic is nature.

You see Jesus addressed the same topic to His disciples. The disciples said to Jesus 'Look Teacher the same crowd follows us great distances to hear you talk again". Jesus replied, "don't get excited they are only coming for the free food."

But which free food?

He was in the hospital for a while. He permanently shrunk. Height and size. He was shorter and none of his clothes fit either.

Yes. It's about trusting and using your OWN level of skepticism... until you've 'worn it down' and you trust the truth, and you trust your SELF. Testing the doubting ego and then transforming it.

What can be trusted other than your own experience?

you'll be sorry.
You have to keep up the front or the man puts you in cryptic pain and holds you down until you change your mind and looking back in hindsight all you will find is that circumstance prevailed when you let your guard down

nothing personal
sooner or later everyone realizes that cute fluffy little kitten of indeterminate gender, has claws

The cricket! But you have to listen to him...

Jesus is God and Truth. You need Faith and find it in catholic chutch.

I was for 7 years in false beliefs... like reincarnation... they lead to pain..and more evil pain...

Jesus is catholic church is only 100% Truth. Jesus heal me from sins he put light inside me

The Mystery of The Ages




What is 'Truth'? (Facts vs. Fiction)
∙Generally speaking the truth cannot be relative; in other words there are certain things that because of their nature are either exclusively true or false and cannot be both at the same time. I will proceed to demonstrate using examples/analogies.
∙One such example would include a general history or account of an event or sequence of events that took place in space and time as they relate to either mankind as a whole or personally in an individual's life; while there may be misunderstanding and/or disagreement about what exactly took place, if the claims contradict one another, it follows that only one can be accurate as to what actually took place. (a very plain example would be either a person was born and lived or they didn't, either they got married or they didn't, either they had kids or they didn't; or either a country had a certain leader or it didn't, either it invaded some other country or it didn't, etc.)
∙Another example is established facts, in other words a truth known by actual experience or observation, which can generally be agreed upon. (for example, the sky is blue, snow is white, fish live in water, the sun gives off heat, trees grow from the ground, etc.)
∙The same is then true regarding various religions/non-religion (atheism.) As their claims are most often exclusive and contradict one another, they can't all be true at the same time, only one can be correct. (for example, either we evolved from a big bang and then ultimately from bacteria and lower species, or were created as is by a Creator. The Atheists claim there is no God. The religious claim there is a God or Gods. The Muslims claim there is one God, muhammad being his prophet with the book he wrote, the Qur'an, being their guidebook on how to please God; and that he (God) had no son/savior, nor will he in the future, and that proclaiming allah as god and muhammad his prophet is the only way to be saved. The Jews also claim that there is only one God, but do believe there will be a savior he just hasn't yet come; and while rejecting the Jesus Christ as Messiah, that the only way to be saved is by being born a hebrew-jewish-israelite, keeping the ceremonial, moral laws; and other commandments given in the torah. The Christians (general various protestant denominations), while also believing in one God, and while accepting the history of the Jewish people, their lineages etc. as recorded in their holy book (the Jews,) the torah (first five books of the Bible) as inspired and valid, believe that God did have a son, and he was the savior, and he made salvation possible to ALL, simply by faith and belief in the Messiah; and that the Bible, being translated from and compiled of the original manuscripts is the only divinely Inspired book, in it's entirety. The Catholics which claim to be Christian (even though catholicism contains pagan elements), who also believe in one God, and profess Jesus as Lord, and believe the Bible to a degree (although holding to many traditions which the Bible plainly condemns, and the papacy responsible for the slave trades, and torturing/killing of 50-200 million Bible-Believers in the inquisitions and dark ages, including it's translators to the common tongue, and ultimately banning the Bible) profess that salvation is only through "the mother church" and it's sacraments, and good works. The Hindus believe there are many gods; reject the bible, yet do believe Jesus existed, but that he was merely an avatar of one of their many gods, Krishna. The Buddhists are neither polytheistic or monotheistic, but believe in reincarnation and karma effected birth cycles. The Satanists believe in the deities set forth in the Christian Bible, but believe that the roles are reversed, and that lucifer is the true light-bearer and savior and that God Almighty is actually evil, controlling, and vindictive. The Pagans, Ancient Romans, etc. believe there are many God's (for example, Bacchus, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Vulcan, Ceres, Mithras, Isis, pan, etc.) each playing a different role, as well as taking place in various ceremonies and rituals, but ultimately rejected accountability to a single God, the creator. The New-Agers, Spiritualists, Gnostics, etc. more or less believe some combination or variation of these, picking and choosing what they like and don't like, sort of like spiritual chameleons. etc. etc. etc.
∙Obviously there are other (countless) different religions and sects, the point is, they cannot all be right because they all claim something totally different. So where am I going with all of this...? Either God exists, and sent his Son to die for our sins, or he didn't. Once we're willing and able to ask the tough questions about our beliefs, diligently seek the truth, in order to see past the brainwashing based on false history, false science, etc we've been indoctrinated with since childhood, looking at the big picture and having considered all angles with an open mind and honest heart, we find with careful research that archaeology, true history and science, coupled with a study of the prophecies of the Bible as they relate to both history as well as current events, actually prove the Bible to be wholly true. Not only is there an empty tomb outside of Jerusalem, as well as many secular historical accounts that Jesus actually existed such as those of Josephus, Tacitus, etc, but there have been countless fascinating discoveries over the last century such as Ron Wyatt's of chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea, The rock at Mount Sinai that water Gushed out of when moses hit it with his staff, Noah's Ark, the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah, the location of the Ark of The Covenant, etc., etc., etc., proving the Bible to be literally true. So what about those who lived before Christ, never came to an age of understanding, or were born in cultures that never had knowledge of the one true God? God is fair, just and is a god of love; and generally in those circumstances people will be judged according to what they knew.
∙Just as the truth is not relative, neither are morals; or the idea of right vs wrong. Generally most would agree that murder, lying, rape, pedophila, slavery, theft, vandalism, etc. are wrong. While some would argue that these values are relative because they culturally defined, one finds in examining cultures throughout history, that where those behaviors were the norm, the societies ultimately collapsed or remain in squalor; and conversely the nations which upheld principals to the contrary (based on the Bible) have become the greatest inventors of technology(for example Automobiles of Germany, Computers of America, Watches of Switzerland, Limited Government of the Dutch Republic, Ship Building of Great Britain, etc.,) wealth (middle-classes), safe-living, religious freedom, most refined music (Western Classical Music), and fine arts in general (Van Gogh, DaVinci, Rembrandt, etc). Since this is consistently observably true throughout history, one must acknowledge it being a result of God rewarding Good and Punishing evil, or otherwise chalk it up as just a grand coincidence without exception.

The Good News (How and Why we need to be saved)
∙Like an earthly judge, God, who upholds the court of heaven must hold people accountable, or else by just letting people off the hook, he'd be a corrupt judge.
∙God divinely inspired certain men throughout history (which we have compiled and translated for us in the Bible) to record His commandments, standards, and laws, which according to (Romans 3:23) we have all broken and fallen short of.
∙(Romans 6:23) records that the wages of sin are death
∙But (1 John 1:9) tells us If we confess our sins, that God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
∙The gospel, or "good news", is that, instead of condemning all of man, while we were yet sinners, God chose to send his only begotten son into the world to take on the sins of the world (while himself being blameless) upon himself, that we might be saved, dying on the cross, buried, and and being raised from the Dead by God almighty 3 days later (Romans 5:8, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
∙(Romans 10:9) tells us if we confess this with our mouths and believe it in our hearts, we shall be saved.

Why should I Care?
∙The Meaning of Life: While most live to achieve certain goals, or for earthly pleasures and success, etc.; all of these things are ultimately passing away and meaningless. The real purpose of life is so that we might find God, and take advantage of this opportunity to prepare for the infinitely better future eternal life which we've been offered; He creating mankind with freewill (rather than robots) to the end that eventually he would have a family composed of those who love him and chose his ways on their own.
∙Your Eternal Fate: As it's recorded in (Philippians 2:10-11) every soul no matter of our beliefs, will ultimately in a final judgment have to acknowledge with our mouths that indeed Jesus Christ is Lord of lords, and King of all kings, and will have to bow before him before accepting our final fate, regardless if it be in the Millennial reign of Christ in paradise, or thrown in the lake of fire.
∙The Judgements of God: Washington once said "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible;" Jackson, "That book, sir, is the rock on which our republic rests." It's a historical fact that this country (America) was birthed out of the protestant reformation, seeking freedom of conscious to speak, invent, and worship, baptist and puritan notions which had been condemned and persecuted by the papacy which ruled the known civilized world for thousands of years-- to this end the republic was founded. The reason that today the weather is messed up, we have corrupt leaders, financial difficulties, regular mass shootings, greedy corporations, poisoned food, etc. is the result of a departure from God and his Word with the precepts contained therein; to which the only solution is for individuals to seek repentance and personal holiness on a massive scale. As the saying goes "those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it." The trend we see today in America, has happened in many nations and over and over again throughout history, as recorded in the Bible, Edward Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", and countless other historical works; and the result is always the same; total collapse and devastation which God allows to take place in judgement. Yet God promises if we turn to him from our wicked ways, he will heal the land.(2 Chronicles 7:14)
∙True Peace and Joy: The truth is, most "pleasures" that promise satisfaction are deceitful and actually end up leaving us empty afterward and/or with an insatiable appetite for more. The only way to have true peace and contentment (regardless of the trials or triumphs we may be facing,) is through the Holy Spirit (gifted upon repentance and belief of gospel) and by prayer and living according to the Word of God.
∙Eternal Reward: Beyond Salvation of our soul which is granted SOLEY by grace through our faith in the Gospel (not of our "good works," for attending a certain church, etc.), the Bible makes clear that faith without works is dead, and that each will be rewarded in heaven based upon his works here on earth.(Ephesians 2:8-9, James 2:17, Romans 2:6-11, Matthew 16:27, Revelation 22:12)

Why all the pain and suffering? ultimately because we live in a fallen world, or in other words because of our "great-great-great-great… grandparents" Adam & Eve's disobedience as recorded in the Bible in the Garden of Eden. When Adam & Eve sinned, it gave satan equitable title to the creation God originally had made them beneficiary of. Satan being the 'god' of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4) with the intention to steal, corrupt, destroy, and lie (John 8:44, 10:10) ultimately being the source of all suffering and evil, but God allowing and using it form mankind's ultimate good in fashioning those that will yield into the His image, even as Christ was the chiefest of suffering servants.

Additional Notes (now what?)
∙God wants a personal relationship with us through prayer, worship, song, quietude, reading and meditating on his Word (the Bible), etc. It's not about churches, buildings, denominations, priests, sacraments, etc. most religious institutions are apostate today as prophesied in the Bible.
∙The Bible tells us that God doesn't dwell in manmade buildings, but rather our bodies are the temple of God, and there is one Mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ, not priests, pastors, etc. (Acts 7:48, 1 Corinthians 3:16, )
∙God said the greatest commandment is to Love him with all are hearts, minds and souls (followed by loving our fellowman as ourselves,) that we must worship him in spirit and truth; and to study to show ourselves approved, growing in knowledge of him and his ways by studying the Bible so that we can live lives that glorify him and to the good of ourselves and fellowman (Matthew 22:37-39, John 4:24, 2 Peter 3:18, 2 Timothy 2:15,)
∙TODAY is the day to start actively seeking God. (James 4:8) tells us if we draw near to God, he will then draw near to us. The reason we don't "hear" from God, is generally because we don't want to, so he leaves us alone; as well as un-repented (lacking sorrow for, and desire to turn from) sin. We also read in (Jeremiah 29:13) if we search for God with all our heart then we will find him. (Psalm 32:6) tells us that we should pray while God may be found, because once calamity strikes, it will be to late.
∙The "right" Bible--- The version (translation) that God has used the most throughout history is the AV [Authorized Version] 1611 King James Bible for english speaking people(not to be confused with the 'New King James'.) All the other various subsequent versions of the Bible, while perhaps convenient for their modern english, are to be avoided or only used supplementary as they alter and/or altogether omit many very critical scriptures, and instead of being based on the original hebrew and greek manuscripts, are rather based on latin translations which do not hold up to the many historic manuscripts and tablets. With the Holy Spirit you will have no problem understanding the King James, especially when coupled with a good concordance such as "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance" which can be obtained for just a few dollars, as well as by "googling" questions you may run into. As far as obtaining a "good" King James Bible, I would recommend one with center column references, which makes understanding prophesies and other references from scriptures easier to connect and understand. I personally favor Zondervan's "Center Column Reference King James." (I would advise against getting the large print as you will lose many of the references)


Additional Resources
∙Biblical Archaeology--- [link to www.biblehistory.net]
∙Biblical Archaeology--- [link to formerthings.com]
∙Journalist Seeks to put same Questions to the Test, book--- "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel
∙Regarding Origins of Bible; YouTube--- "A Lamp In The Dark: Untold history of Bible"
∙Regarding Origins of Bible; YouTube--- "Forbidden Book: History of the Bible (Full Documentary)"
∙Regarding Creation; YouTube--- "Kent Hovind Creation Seminar" (7-parts)
∙Regarding Understanding Prophecy/History/Current events; YouTube--- "Total Onslaught" (36 parts) or "Total Onslaught Mini Series" (10 parts) by Walter Veith
∙Debunking Evolution--- "Evolution Handbook" by Vance Ferrel (can be found for free in PDF format online)
∙Further Study of doctrine, history, etc; links to discover Christian Music, as well as other resources, and contact info; My Personal Independent Website--- [link to contending.webs.com]

Your Jesus tells you to judge a tree by the fruit it bears...

It doesn't take a deep investigation into the catholic church to see there is no truth there, only deception.

Do you ever mention God or Jesus?

If most people had a gun held to their head and the person holding the gun told them to love them or they would be shot...

Most would feign love for fear of the consequences...

The god in the Bible uses the same ultimatum...

Love him or go to hell...

Pretty obvious why most choose to lie to themselves about their beliefs and choices...

You got it right at the end.

So be it

Catholic Church Roman Catholic Church you mean Constantine church? Did you know they have John the Baptist his head Golden Krust it on a silver platter somewhere at the Vatican?

I find it baffling how people can point to the atrocities and crimes against humanity commited by the Jews...

How they control the financial system and the media and are the strategist behind social engineering and the dumbing down of society...

Yet everyone is so quick to worship their god and believe their story books.

Condemn pagans for blood sacrifice...

Redeems his creation thru blood sacrifice...

Makes sense right?

They're just doing what they think the next move is. They were hit on the head they don't understand Communications been lost so to speak.

Beautiful OP, simply beautiful.

We grasp onto illusions that provide comfort in explaining our simple existence in this reality. Only by questioning everything do we really begin our journey of personal truth.

Simply trying to figure out the rules and meaning of this reality is a lifelong quest. Some people choose to exit the journey prematurely and latch onto 'comfortable' ideals.

YOU WILL NEVER HAVE PROOF. EVEN IF YOU SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES YOU WOULD SECOND GUESS IT AND YOURSELF. IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO TRUST.

Perfect sense. There are some things you don't know. But why should I share? First prove who you are and who you are not and prove you are not part of an agenda.

Exactly.

What I find puzzling is that those who appear to have an understanding of the rules utilize that advantage to manipulate others into slavery and ignorance...

Survival of the fittest would appear to be the rule of the game...

For all we know our rationalizations are just our attempts to stifle the madness...

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