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...in the West is provide by God or Mammon, you decide your bent.

...you are certain you did not choose to be here in the LIE of competition?

...why are the lions and snakes going to play with infants again?

...science is fact, spirituality is faith based....those that see and hear are more responsible for our mess than the blind.

Ignorant and stupid are the naysayers of Christ Jesus and God our Father. Why?

Because they told us about satan...the naysayers scoff. Oh, but how do they scoff when they find out the world is run by those following Satan/Lucifer?

Bamboozled into believing they do not exist until they put a snare around you, but then so does God...so who would you prefer be snared by the non-existent God or the non-existent Satan? Remember those in power that worship the Beast get their power,money,fame and fortune from the Beast.
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Beautiful OP, simply beautiful.

We grasp onto illusions that provide comfort in explaining our simple existence in this reality. Only by questioning everything do we really begin our journey of personal truth.

Simply trying to figure out the rules and meaning of this reality is a lifelong quest. Some people choose to exit the journey prematurely and latch onto 'comfortable' ideals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


What I find puzzling is that those who appear to have an understanding of the rules utilize that advantage to manipulate others into slavery and ignorance...

Survival of the fittest would appear to be the rule of the game...

For all we know our rationalizations are just our attempts to stifle the madness...
 Quoting: Ulijah


Do you really believe the people that take advantage of other people's ignorance for personal gain have any understanding of the rules?

I would say the opposite. They come to the realization that knowledge of what comes before and after this reality isn't possible. Then they go hog wild and stop searching at that point. They indulge to the upmost of their abilities and don't have any empathy for their fellow man. They are the weak ones.

The ones that realize and acknowledge the lack of knowing but continue with kindness and respect, where it is appropriate, are the ones that continue down the path.

The knowledge of a lack of knowledge is a huge hurdle and it knocks many off the path of enlightenment. They wouldn't be able to accept what comes next.
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...in the West is provide by God or Mammon, you decide your bent.

...you are certain you did not choose to be here in the LIE of competition?

...why are the lions and snakes going to play with infants again?

...science is fact, spirituality is faith based....those that see and hear are more responsible for our mess than the blind.

Ignorant and stupid are the naysayers of Christ Jesus and God our Father. Why?

Because they told us about satan...the naysayers scoff. Oh, but how do they scoff when they find out the world is run by those following Satan/Lucifer?

Bamboozled into believing they do not exist until they put a snare around you, but then so does God...so who would you prefer be snared by the non-existent God or the non-existent Satan? Remember those in power that worship the Beast get their power,money,fame and fortune from the Beast.
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So It couldn't be that these people are just evil and crazy?

Always has to be the boogie man right?

Couldn't be that we alone are capable of such evils?
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...in the West is provide by God or Mammon, you decide your bent.

...you are certain you did not choose to be here in the LIE of competition?

...why are the lions and snakes going to play with infants again?

...science is fact, spirituality is faith based....those that see and hear are more responsible for our mess than the blind.

Ignorant and stupid are the naysayers of Christ Jesus and God our Father. Why?

Because they told us about satan...the naysayers scoff. Oh, but how do they scoff when they find out the world is run by those following Satan/Lucifer?

Bamboozled into believing they do not exist until they put a snare around you, but then so does God...so who would you prefer be snared by the non-existent God or the non-existent Satan? Remember those in power that worship the Beast get their power,money,fame and fortune from the Beast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71388910


So It couldn't be that these people are just evil and crazy?

Always has to be the boogie man right?

Couldn't be that we alone are capable of such evils?
 Quoting: Ulijah


To take it a step further...

If the Jew god and his satan are real and all of the black magic and what not holds truth then think about that fact alone...

That the Jew god built into his reality a system by which thru terror, suffering, sex and blood magic power and prosperity can be found...

A god who put that into his reality is who you worship?
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OP, does your soul cry in sadness of what we humans do to limit ourselves with the superstitions of religion?

Mine does.
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Beautiful OP, simply beautiful.

We grasp onto illusions that provide comfort in explaining our simple existence in this reality. Only by questioning everything do we really begin our journey of personal truth.

Simply trying to figure out the rules and meaning of this reality is a lifelong quest. Some people choose to exit the journey prematurely and latch onto 'comfortable' ideals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


What I find puzzling is that those who appear to have an understanding of the rules utilize that advantage to manipulate others into slavery and ignorance...

Survival of the fittest would appear to be the rule of the game...

For all we know our rationalizations are just our attempts to stifle the madness...
 Quoting: Ulijah


Do you really believe the people that take advantage of other people's ignorance for personal gain have any understanding of the rules?

I would say the opposite. They come to the realization that knowledge of what comes before and after this reality isn't possible. Then they go hog wild and stop searching at that point. They indulge to the upmost of their abilities and don't have any empathy for their fellow man. They are the weak ones.

The ones that realize and acknowledge the lack of knowing but continue with kindness and respect, where it is appropriate, are the ones that continue down the path.

The knowledge of a lack of knowledge is a huge hurdle and it knocks many off the path of enlightenment. They wouldn't be able to accept what comes next.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
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Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
 Quoting: Ulijah


What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
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OP, does your soul cry in sadness of what we humans do to limit ourselves with the superstitions of religion?

Mine does.
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No, I just accept that it is all beyond my control.

I don't even truly know what a soul is outside of the quasi concept we all agree to pretend upon.

When I look back on my existence it is as if Im the witness to this journey.

Sort of pulled along down the stream ...

I don't know what to make of anything anymore other than I'm having an experience...

The only point/ joy I have found in being here is "playing".

As a child it's all I wanted to do...

As an adult it's all that brings me joy...

Creating, using my imagination, playing...

Call it whatever you will.

Maybe for you it's fishing, or video games, or whatever you call your play time.

But that's the only time this place feels right.

When I am playing.

Why do you work?

To provide a time and place to play...

We only pretend to grow up...

Being an "adult" is an illusion...

Maybe it all is?
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Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
 Quoting: Ulijah


What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
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How do we know there is an enlightenment to be found?
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OP, does your soul cry in sadness of what we humans do to limit ourselves with the superstitions of religion?

Mine does.
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No, I just accept that it is all beyond my control.

I don't even truly know what a soul is outside of the quasi concept we all agree to pretend upon.

When I look back on my existence it is as if Im the witness to this journey.

Sort of pulled along down the stream ...

I don't know what to make of anything anymore other than I'm having an experience...

The only point/ joy I have found in being here is "playing".

As a child it's all I wanted to do...

As an adult it's all that brings me joy...

Creating, using my imagination, playing...

Call it whatever you will.

Maybe for you it's fishing, or video games, or whatever you call your play time.

But that's the only time this place feels right.

When I am playing.

Why do you work?

To provide a time and place to play...

We only pretend to grow up...

Being an "adult" is an illusion...

Maybe it all is?
 Quoting: Ulijah


I love happiness and joy as well. But I also yearn from time to time to experience unhappiness and pain.

For some reason I love this reality and try to embrace all it has to offer while still maintaining harmonic karma.

Sometimes I lie to myself. Sometimes I stroke my own ego. But I grew up being brainwashed under catholicism and from that comparison, I am now free.

Do you ever take the time and pat yourself on the back? Simply for having the views that you do?
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Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
 Quoting: Ulijah


What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


The only knowledge I seek is what I would call the basics...

Who am I...

What am I...

Where am I...

If I had some true insight to those questions my entire existence would change in an instant...
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OP, does your soul cry in sadness of what we humans do to limit ourselves with the superstitions of religion?

Mine does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


No, I just accept that it is all beyond my control.

I don't even truly know what a soul is outside of the quasi concept we all agree to pretend upon.

When I look back on my existence it is as if Im the witness to this journey.

Sort of pulled along down the stream ...

I don't know what to make of anything anymore other than I'm having an experience...

The only point/ joy I have found in being here is "playing".

As a child it's all I wanted to do...

As an adult it's all that brings me joy...

Creating, using my imagination, playing...

Call it whatever you will.

Maybe for you it's fishing, or video games, or whatever you call your play time.

But that's the only time this place feels right.

When I am playing.

Why do you work?

To provide a time and place to play...

We only pretend to grow up...

Being an "adult" is an illusion...

Maybe it all is?
 Quoting: Ulijah


I love happiness and joy as well. But I also yearn from time to time to experience unhappiness and pain.

For some reason I love this reality and try to embrace all it has to offer while still maintaining harmonic karma.

Sometimes I lie to myself. Sometimes I stroke my own ego. But I grew up being brainwashed under catholicism and from that comparison, I am now free.

Do you ever take the time and pat yourself on the back? Simply for having the views that you do?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Not so much pat myself on the back...

Sort of reflect upon my experience as a whole to try and draw some sort of perspective...

I would say it's the closest thing to a purpose that I know.

The pursuit of true answers.

Answers I can feel, not just think...
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Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
 Quoting: Ulijah


What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
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How do we know there is an enlightenment to be found?
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Good question. I have no answer for that one which would give anyone else comfort. It is a personal truth that I have. The only reason I believe there are rules and through recognizing these rules, enlightenment, is because I have become more and more comfortable/joyous/tranquil/peaceful traveling down this path.
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Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
 Quoting: Ulijah


What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


The only knowledge I seek is what I would call the basics...

Who am I...

What am I...

Where am I...

If I had some true insight to those questions my entire existence would change in an instant...
 Quoting: Ulijah


If you knew those answers, wouldn't it cheapen this existence?

Sometimes the question is the most powerful thing in this reality. It defines your current trajectory and path that you are traveling.
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Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
 Quoting: Ulijah


What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


How do we know there is an enlightenment to be found?
 Quoting: Ulijah


Good question. I have no answer for that one which would give anyone else comfort. It is a personal truth that I have. The only reason I believe there are rules and through recognizing these rules, enlightenment, is because I have become more and more comfortable/joyous/tranquil/peaceful traveling down this path.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Do you ever question that what you hold to be right and wrong could just be deep rooted programming as well?

I often do.

I know in my heart I am good.

I've always been the white knight, hoping for a chance to be a hero or give.

Is that to deep rooted programming perhaps?

Where do our thoughts and feeling even come from?

We have no proof they are ours alone nor generated from within...
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Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
 Quoting: Ulijah


What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


The only knowledge I seek is what I would call the basics...

Who am I...

What am I...

Where am I...

If I had some true insight to those questions my entire existence would change in an instant...
 Quoting: Ulijah


If you knew those answers, wouldn't it cheapen this existence?

Sometimes the question is the most powerful thing in this reality. It defines your current trajectory and path that you are traveling.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


If I knew those answers I would feel that I had a rational starting point to start making heads or tails of what's going on around here lol.
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What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


How do we know there is an enlightenment to be found?
 Quoting: Ulijah


Good question. I have no answer for that one which would give anyone else comfort. It is a personal truth that I have. The only reason I believe there are rules and through recognizing these rules, enlightenment, is because I have become more and more comfortable/joyous/tranquil/peaceful traveling down this path.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Do you ever question that what you hold to be right and wrong could just be deep rooted programming as well?

I often do.

I know in my heart I am good.

I've always been the white knight, hoping for a chance to be a hero or give.

Is that to deep rooted programming perhaps?

Where do our thoughts and feeling even come from?

We have no proof they are ours alone nor generated from within...
 Quoting: Ulijah


The first step I took on the path is to trust in myself. To recognize that no one else will be able to tell me what is true. Do the wise and enlightened directly tell people their personal truths? Would these people even understand them if they were freely given in such a direct manner?

Or do these masters teach through asking questions? They simply ask the correct questions and in pondering these questions, realization is reached. Then there is understanding.

I trust my gut or my intuition. If you listen closely, your whatever (spirit, soul, subconscious, being) will nudge you in the right direction. Thus your ability to feel that you are doing good.
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If I knew those answers I would feel that I had a rational starting point to start making heads or tails of what's going on around here lol.
 Quoting: Ulijah


Don't you love a good mystery? I view this life as an unfolding and engrossing book. If I ever have the chance of meeting the creator of this illusion, I will kiss their ass in appreciation.

For some reason, just being able to identify the rules of this existence is enough for me. I don't want to know what happened before I set foot on this planet and I don't want to know what comes next. It is kind of like enjoying the journey instead of constantly fretting over the destination. I am very excited for the destination, but I realize that no matter what I do, it will always be there in the end. And it will probably blow our earthly minds.
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...in the West is provide by God or Mammon, you decide your bent.

...you are certain you did not choose to be here in the LIE of competition?

...why are the lions and snakes going to play with infants again?

...science is fact, spirituality is faith based....those that see and hear are more responsible for our mess than the blind.

Ignorant and stupid are the naysayers of Christ Jesus and God our Father. Why?

Because they told us about satan...the naysayers scoff. Oh, but how do they scoff when they find out the world is run by those following Satan/Lucifer?

Bamboozled into believing they do not exist until they put a snare around you, but then so does God...so who would you prefer be snared by the non-existent God or the non-existent Satan? Remember those in power that worship the Beast get their power,money,fame and fortune from the Beast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71388910


So It couldn't be that these people are just evil and crazy?

Always has to be the boogie man right?

Couldn't be that we alone are capable of such evils?
 Quoting: Ulijah


You are either a researcher or just an antagonizer, maybe both?

Why?

Those same people you label evil and crazy control your world...oh yes they do......

YOur choice, know your enemy or put your head in the sand.

Either way your enemy 'known to you or not' pursues you, loves when you are oblivious, cavalier and are down right in denial.

When you are a hunter the best method is when 'they never see you coming' and if they did would deny you are a hunter and that is not a 12 gauge about to let loose.


Oh, What would it take to prove God exists for you? You said you wanted proof. exactly what is that proof? We would really like to know.

One day minding my own business a voice and presence approached me and asked me, "If God shows up in your life, how would you know?" It took 7 years but finally I knew the answer.....RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Perhaps your perspective is correct?

It certainly puts mankinds make up in a better light than to think those who hold the knowledge also hold the keys to the cells...

Which reality is more likely?
 Quoting: Ulijah


What kind of knowledge are you looking for?

If a person holds knowledge of this reality, maybe not why we are here (which I don't think we will ever be able to answer while we still draw breath) but the simple rules of this reality, would they be able to keep that knowledge from others?

If they are the type of person that would keep that knowledge hidden, I would argue they will never arrive at enlightenment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


How do we know there is an enlightenment to be found?
 Quoting: Ulijah


When It finds you!
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...in the West is provide by God or Mammon, you decide your bent.

...you are certain you did not choose to be here in the LIE of competition?

...why are the lions and snakes going to play with infants again?

...science is fact, spirituality is faith based....those that see and hear are more responsible for our mess than the blind.

Ignorant and stupid are the naysayers of Christ Jesus and God our Father. Why?

Because they told us about satan...the naysayers scoff. Oh, but how do they scoff when they find out the world is run by those following Satan/Lucifer?

Bamboozled into believing they do not exist until they put a snare around you, but then so does God...so who would you prefer be snared by the non-existent God or the non-existent Satan? Remember those in power that worship the Beast get their power,money,fame and fortune from the Beast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71388910


So It couldn't be that these people are just evil and crazy?

Always has to be the boogie man right?

Couldn't be that we alone are capable of such evils?
 Quoting: Ulijah


To take it a step further...

If the Jew god and his satan are real and all of the black magic and what not holds truth then think about that fact alone...

That the Jew god built into his reality a system by which thru terror, suffering, sex and blood magic power and prosperity can be found...

A god who put that into his reality is who you worship?
 Quoting: Ulijah


Like I told you, there are some things you do not know, but think you do.

You are certain you did not choose to be here?

You are certain we did not leave our estate for a better (through competition) way of life?

You are certain you did not buy the LIE?

How can you be so certain?
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So It couldn't be that these people are just evil and crazy?

Always has to be the boogie man right?

Couldn't be that we alone are capable of such evils?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71388910


You are either a researcher or just an antagonizer, maybe both?

Why?

Those same people you label evil and crazy control your world...oh yes they do......

YOur choice, know your enemy or put your head in the sand.

Either way your enemy 'known to you or not' pursues you, loves when you are oblivious, cavalier and are down right in denial.

When you are a hunter the best method is when 'they never see you coming' and if they did would deny you are a hunter and that is not a 12 gauge about to let loose.


Oh, What would it take to prove God exists for you? You said you wanted proof. exactly what is that proof? We would really like to know.

One day minding my own business a voice and presence approached me and asked me, "If God shows up in your life, how would you know?" It took 7 years but finally I knew the answer.....RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I know you didn't direct this question to me and sorry for answering OP.

That is one of the things I love the most. Those that try to control me, that try to control my surroundings, that try to control my emotions, they make this life great.

I see the methods they use in this attempt at control and I realize I don't value or covet what they do. The things T PTB do to validate their existence is of no consequence to me. They hold no power over me.

'Do this or die' ... fine, I choose death. Is that all you have? The decision is still mine. There is nothing you can do to hurt me because I give you no power.
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So It couldn't be that these people are just evil and crazy?

Always has to be the boogie man right?

Couldn't be that we alone are capable of such evils?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71388910


You are either a researcher or just an antagonizer, maybe both?

Why?

Those same people you label evil and crazy control your world...oh yes they do......

YOur choice, know your enemy or put your head in the sand.

Either way your enemy 'known to you or not' pursues you, loves when you are oblivious, cavalier and are down right in denial.

When you are a hunter the best method is when 'they never see you coming' and if they did would deny you are a hunter and that is not a 12 gauge about to let loose.


Oh, What would it take to prove God exists for you? You said you wanted proof. exactly what is that proof? We would really like to know.

One day minding my own business a voice and presence approached me and asked me, "If God shows up in your life, how would you know?" It took 7 years but finally I knew the answer.....RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I know you didn't direct this question to me and sorry for answering OP.

That is one of the things I love the most. Those that try to control me, that try to control my surroundings, that try to control my emotions, they make this life great.

I see the methods they use in this attempt at control and I realize I don't value or covet what they do. The things T PTB do to validate their existence is of no consequence to me. They hold no power over me.

'Do this or die' ... fine, I choose death. Is that all you have? The decision is still mine. There is nothing you can do to hurt me because I give you no power.


I found that beautiful...
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Man, I have completely screwed up for formatting again. Sorry about that.
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...in the West is provide by God or Mammon, you decide your bent.

...you are certain you did not choose to be here in the LIE of competition?

...why are the lions and snakes going to play with infants again?

...science is fact, spirituality is faith based....those that see and hear are more responsible for our mess than the blind.

Ignorant and stupid are the naysayers of Christ Jesus and God our Father. Why?

Because they told us about satan...the naysayers scoff. Oh, but how do they scoff when they find out the world is run by those following Satan/Lucifer?

Bamboozled into believing they do not exist until they put a snare around you, but then so does God...so who would you prefer be snared by the non-existent God or the non-existent Satan? Remember those in power that worship the Beast get their power,money,fame and fortune from the Beast.
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So It couldn't be that these people are just evil and crazy?

Always has to be the boogie man right?

Couldn't be that we alone are capable of such evils?
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You are either a researcher or just an antagonizer, maybe both?

Why?

Those same people you label evil and crazy control your world...oh yes they do......

YOur choice, know your enemy or put your head in the sand.

Either way your enemy 'known to you or not' pursues you, loves when you are oblivious, cavalier and are down right in denial.

When you are a hunter the best method is when 'they never see you coming' and if they did would deny you are a hunter and that is not a 12 gauge about to let loose.


Oh, What would it take to prove God exists for you? You said you wanted proof. exactly what is that proof? We would really like to know.

One day minding my own business a voice and presence approached me and asked me, "If God shows up in your life, how would you know?" It took 7 years but finally I knew the answer.....RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Researcher... yes lol.

I do not intend on being an antagonist, I only ask questions to which I find great value in being answered...
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If I knew those answers I would feel that I had a rational starting point to start making heads or tails of what's going on around here lol.
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Don't you love a good mystery? I view this life as an unfolding and engrossing book. If I ever have the chance of meeting the creator of this illusion, I will kiss their ass in appreciation.

For some reason, just being able to identify the rules of this existence is enough for me. I don't want to know what happened before I set foot on this planet and I don't want to know what comes next. It is kind of like enjoying the journey instead of constantly fretting over the destination. I am very excited for the destination, but I realize that no matter what I do, it will always be there in the end. And it will probably blow our earthly minds.
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I do enjoy a good mystery...

However...

I do find that a few minor details like where it is taking place, what and with whom a good starting point...
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I'm 51 and I think I've only seen it a couple of times.


If it was something that happened every day, it would hardly be remarkable -- just another part of "nature".

But sometimes the sane have uncanny "hallucinations".

Not sure you even have to look per se.


I wasn't looking for it when it happened to me -- though I had been a seeker of visions all my life.


I think these things can't just be summoned maybe like some step-and-fetch-it.

But because we can't manipulate them like the physical world doesn't make them less real.
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So what do you feel that you know in your being since these experiences?

What can you actually swear to be true with every fiber of your being without filling in blanks with stories from which you have not experienced?
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I won't tell you what I believe.

I will tell you what I have seen and, although you have no reason to believe me, you can tell me what you would think or believe if it happened to you.


When I was twenty-nine, I was at home in an apartment I shared with two other men and I saw what appeared to be a moth -- or rather the shadow of a moth -- fluttering in midair in one room of the apartment. I followed it through the apartment. I was aware that it "wasn't really there". As I went into the kitchen where there was telephone on the wall, the "moth" disappeared and the phone immediately rang. It was my mother telling me my step-brother had died in another state of a drug overdose.

I had never before seen anything that "wasn't there" -- even on drugs -- and I was neither drunk nor on drugs at the time. In fact at times I had been every bit as skeptical as you and I was even a member of my university's Free Thought Association, at times a militant atheist.

I have never been diagnosed with any mental illness that would give rise to such a hallucination, but I think it was more than that.


Again, you have no reason to take my words at face value, but I ask you, if you experienced something like that, what would you think?
 Quoting: Deplorable Adytum


So what did this experience teach you?

What is your truth?
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Just as I said at the beginning.


There is obviously much more to this world, this life, than meets the eye (normally).

Therefore, I don't take the so-called physical world to be the end-all and be-all.

Clearly, there is something else that communicates to men -- or another way we communicate to each other after death.

So, I just call it the spirit or the spirit-world.

It is simply a great mystery to me, but very very real.




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So It couldn't be that these people are just evil and crazy?

Always has to be the boogie man right?

Couldn't be that we alone are capable of such evils?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71388910


You are either a researcher or just an antagonizer, maybe both?

Why?

Those same people you label evil and crazy control your world...oh yes they do......

YOur choice, know your enemy or put your head in the sand.

Either way your enemy 'known to you or not' pursues you, loves when you are oblivious, cavalier and are down right in denial.

When you are a hunter the best method is when 'they never see you coming' and if they did would deny you are a hunter and that is not a 12 gauge about to let loose.


Oh, What would it take to prove God exists for you? You said you wanted proof. exactly what is that proof? We would really like to know.

One day minding my own business a voice and presence approached me and asked me, "If God shows up in your life, how would you know?" It took 7 years but finally I knew the answer.....RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


I know you didn't direct this question to me and sorry for answering OP.

That is one of the things I love the most. Those that try to control me, that try to control my surroundings, that try to control my emotions, they make this life great.

I see the methods they use in this attempt at control and I realize I don't value or covet what they do. The things T PTB do to validate their existence is of no consequence to me. They hold no power over me.

'Do this or die' ... fine, I choose death. Is that all you have? The decision is still mine. There is nothing you can do to hurt me because I give you no power.
 Quoting: Ulijah


I found that beautiful...



I did also.

"Is that all you have?"...that's pure gold right there.

Personally, I embrace passing from this earth as an ADVENTURE...it's weird to say, but I'm looking forward to it.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller


...I adapt to the unknown,
under wandering stars I've grown,
by myself, but not alone...

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Huhn, looks like the quote tags are running amok.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller


...I adapt to the unknown,
under wandering stars I've grown,
by myself, but not alone...

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If I knew those answers I would feel that I had a rational starting point to start making heads or tails of what's going on around here lol.
 Quoting: Ulijah


Don't you love a good mystery? I view this life as an unfolding and engrossing book. If I ever have the chance of meeting the creator of this illusion, I will kiss their ass in appreciation.

For some reason, just being able to identify the rules of this existence is enough for me. I don't want to know what happened before I set foot on this planet and I don't want to know what comes next. It is kind of like enjoying the journey instead of constantly fretting over the destination. I am very excited for the destination, but I realize that no matter what I do, it will always be there in the end. And it will probably blow our earthly minds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


I do enjoy a good mystery...

However...

I do find that a few minor details like where it is taking place, what and with whom a good starting point...
 Quoting: Ulijah


I hear you. I try to act like I don't want the answers and even try to convince myself that I don't, but I have peaked underneath the wrapping of the xmas presents a few times in the past. I do remember some regret from those experiences.

Excellent thoughts OP and good questions. My opinion means squat and is probably wrong most of the time but I think the path you are currently traveling is not a bad one. You would know if it was.

Peace.

and thank you for your time.





GLP