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Useless Cookie Eater
User ID: 29696048 United States 02/19/2015 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater Artificially created chemical flavorings and oils....what could go wrong. Keep up the good work tards. Propylene glycol is used as a carrier for many intravenous medicines. Chances are if you've been to the ER or hospitalized they have injected PG directly in to your veins. This study has to do with formaldehyde gas created from the metals in the coils using much higher voltage than an e cig uses. At the normal voltage NO formaldehyde was found+ It's not just propylene glycol in them....but go ahead....keep trying to justify man made chemicals as acceptable over naturally produced products. My intent is not to defend e-cigs. There is a lot unknown I'm only referring to the story in the OP and formaldehyde and the misconceptions about PG. I've vaped for over 3 years and have always had worries. I wish there were more studies but there aren't. So far all the studies show no harm so I feel a bit more comfortable. Tobacco is a known. I know my grandmother smoked until her death at 87--no cancer My father has smoke since he was 14 and he is 77 today--no cancer. I quit tobacco for money reasons and I was tired of smelling like an ash tray. If they end up taxing e-cigs as a tobacco product like they want to I'll go back to cigs.. ...because you are a mindless idiot. If you think those chemicals are not coming back to haunt you....you are well.....a mindless idiot. Keep up the good work. Earth has too many stupid people on it already. |
Ag47
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66544502 United States 02/19/2015 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66544502 Propylene glycol is used as a carrier for many intravenous medicines. Chances are if you've been to the ER or hospitalized they have injected PG directly in to your veins. This study has to do with formaldehyde gas created from the metals in the coils using much higher voltage than an e cig uses. At the normal voltage NO formaldehyde was found+ It's not just propylene glycol in them....but go ahead....keep trying to justify man made chemicals as acceptable over naturally produced products. :capidea: :dascream: My intent is not to defend e-cigs. There is a lot unknown I'm only referring to the story in the OP and formaldehyde and the misconceptions about PG. I've vaped for over 3 years and have always had worries. I wish there were more studies but there aren't. So far all the studies show no harm so I feel a bit more comfortable. Tobacco is a known. I know my grandmother smoked until her death at 87--no cancer My father has smoke since he was 14 and he is 77 today--no cancer. I quit tobacco for money reasons and I was tired of smelling like an ash tray. If they end up taxing e-cigs as a tobacco product like they want to I'll go back to cigs.. ...because you are a mindless idiot. If you think those chemicals are not coming back to haunt you....you are well.....a mindless idiot. Keep up the good work. Earth has too many stupid people on it already. :darwinwins: I have more worries with actual tobacco so it's a fair trade off. Only people this rabid about e-cigs are ex smokers who don't vape and big tobacco workers. |
Useless Cookie Eater
User ID: 29696048 United States 02/19/2015 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater It's not just propylene glycol in them....but go ahead....keep trying to justify man made chemicals as acceptable over naturally produced products. My intent is not to defend e-cigs. There is a lot unknown I'm only referring to the story in the OP and formaldehyde and the misconceptions about PG. I've vaped for over 3 years and have always had worries. I wish there were more studies but there aren't. So far all the studies show no harm so I feel a bit more comfortable. Tobacco is a known. I know my grandmother smoked until her death at 87--no cancer My father has smoke since he was 14 and he is 77 today--no cancer. I quit tobacco for money reasons and I was tired of smelling like an ash tray. If they end up taxing e-cigs as a tobacco product like they want to I'll go back to cigs.. ...because you are a mindless idiot. If you think those chemicals are not coming back to haunt you....you are well.....a mindless idiot. Keep up the good work. Earth has too many stupid people on it already. I have more worries with actual tobacco so it's a fair trade off. Only people this rabid about e-cigs are ex smokers who don't vape and big tobacco workers. Rabid?....no. I am totally cool with tards eliminating themselves from the gene pool with ingestion of man made chemicals. I'll stick with what grows naturally on planet Earth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66544502 United States 02/19/2015 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66544502 My intent is not to defend e-cigs. There is a lot unknown I'm only referring to the story in the OP and formaldehyde and the misconceptions about PG. I've vaped for over 3 years and have always had worries. I wish there were more studies but there aren't. So far all the studies show no harm so I feel a bit more comfortable. Tobacco is a known. I know my grandmother smoked until her death at 87--no cancer My father has smoke since he was 14 and he is 77 today--no cancer. I quit tobacco for money reasons and I was tired of smelling like an ash tray. If they end up taxing e-cigs as a tobacco product like they want to I'll go back to cigs.. ...because you are a mindless idiot. If you think those chemicals are not coming back to haunt you....you are well.....a mindless idiot. Keep up the good work. Earth has too many stupid people on it already. :darwinwins: I have more worries with actual tobacco so it's a fair trade off. Only people this rabid about e-cigs are ex smokers who don't vape and big tobacco workers. Rabid?....no. I am totally cool with tards eliminating themselves from the gene pool with ingestion of man made chemicals. I'll stick with what grows naturally on planet Earth. :cigartrek: :stupidpeeps: Then you're a smoker? if so, you realize burning tobacco CREATES formaldehyde. The burning process naturally creates formaldehyde gas. |
Roobit
User ID: 5027962 United States 02/19/2015 08:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater ...because you are a mindless idiot. If you think those chemicals are not coming back to haunt you....you are well.....a mindless idiot. Keep up the good work. Earth has too many stupid people on it already. I have more worries with actual tobacco so it's a fair trade off. Only people this rabid about e-cigs are ex smokers who don't vape and big tobacco workers. Rabid?....no. I am totally cool with tards eliminating themselves from the gene pool with ingestion of man made chemicals. I'll stick with what grows naturally on planet Earth. Then you're a smoker? if so, you realize burning tobacco CREATES formaldehyde. The burning process naturally creates formaldehyde gas. And like any adult, i believe UCE is exercising personal responsibility for his or hers personal choices. The world would be better if people didnt dictate what others should do. The Abyss stares back... Glp ping pong champ... |
Only Me
Strawberry Girl User ID: 65452207 United States 02/19/2015 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm pretty sure that if they're safe right now they won't be once the government regulates them Goodbye, halcyon days... There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened. |
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OCD Chaos Theorist
User ID: 62063713 United States 02/19/2015 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been using an e cig daily since 2010. I've vaporized literally thousands of milliliters of e juice into my lungs. I don't have cancer...yet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8716220 Same here, Now days , I'm making my own juices with no nicotine, it's cheaper that way. You guys should try snuff. I know it's gone out of style since the 19th century, but you get the nicotine hit without negative effects of smoke. I wish I had more time so I could do even less. |
. User ID: 63341493 United States 02/19/2015 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's the DEAL. Lung Cancer Caused from Inhalation of Toxins Kills U Slowly. However Inhalation of Radio Active Particulates Causes CANCER and from What the article Said I'll go with Radiation from Fukoshema(sp) Japan. To go From One Tumor to Many Filling the Lungs WAS NOT E-cig smoke. . |
monkey4truth
(OP) User ID: 67437349 United States 02/19/2015 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought this would be a spirited discussion..because we do know some things...1)we really don't have proven unbiased long term research on the use of e-cigarettes..... 2)Tobacco companies are losing market shares to this comptetition...although they are getting in the game albeit a bit late. 3)Government certainly cannot allow you to enjoy a demonized product without taxing the living shit out of you for allowing you the privilege of enjoying it. Stand up and speak for truth..even when it's not popular.. |
Roobit
User ID: 5027962 United States 02/19/2015 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | guys/gals..sucking anything into your lungs other than air is not good for you..as to which things are the worst, who knows. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62323787 Exactly Assuming people understand the consequences of their choices is a mistake. Be it smoking, vaping, tanning, eating taco bell every meal, butt chugging astro glide, etc. Foreign things in the body can cause problems. The Abyss stares back... Glp ping pong champ... |
Fhirinne
User ID: 64068588 United Kingdom 02/19/2015 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the last 6 months of 2013, there were 242 new flavors of e-cigarettes released per month. Currently, there are over 7,500 different flavors of e-cigs. And while this particular segment of the smoking industry is still in its infancy, little research has been done on the hazards of inhaling all of these flavors. [link to www.physiciansnews.com] A total of 405 different symptoms due to e-cigarette use were reported from three forums. Of these, 78 were positive, 326 were negative, and one was neutral. [link to www.jmir.org] Just thought I'd post them two as heavy use could well cause cancer. You are the CEO of your own wellness. You need to take back your health from the disease-care system |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68199462 Canada 02/19/2015 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the last 6 months of 2013, there were 242 new flavors of e-cigarettes released per month. Currently, there are over 7,500 different flavors of e-cigs. And while this particular segment of the smoking industry is still in its infancy, little research has been done on the hazards of inhaling all of these flavors. Quoting: Fhirinne [link to www.physiciansnews.com] A total of 405 different symptoms due to e-cigarette use were reported from three forums. Of these, 78 were positive, 326 were negative, and one was neutral. [link to www.jmir.org] Just thought I'd post them two as heavy use could well cause cancer. |
Fhirinne
User ID: 64068588 United Kingdom 02/19/2015 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the last 6 months of 2013, there were 242 new flavors of e-cigarettes released per month. Currently, there are over 7,500 different flavors of e-cigs. And while this particular segment of the smoking industry is still in its infancy, little research has been done on the hazards of inhaling all of these flavors. Quoting: Fhirinne [link to www.physiciansnews.com] A total of 405 different symptoms due to e-cigarette use were reported from three forums. Of these, 78 were positive, 326 were negative, and one was neutral. [link to www.jmir.org] Just thought I'd post them two as heavy use could well cause cancer. True but at the same time its still not healthy to be inhaling anything but what lungs are made for. You are the CEO of your own wellness. You need to take back your health from the disease-care system |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8716220 United States 02/19/2015 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been using an e cig daily since 2010. I've vaporized literally thousands of milliliters of e juice into my lungs. I don't have cancer...yet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8716220 Same here, Now days , I'm making my own juices with no nicotine, it's cheaper that way. You guys should try snuff. I know it's gone out of style since the 19th century, but you get the nicotine hit without negative effects of smoke. I'll take lung cancer over mouth cancer any day. |
OCD Chaos Theorist
User ID: 62063713 United States 02/19/2015 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been using an e cig daily since 2010. I've vaporized literally thousands of milliliters of e juice into my lungs. I don't have cancer...yet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8716220 Same here, Now days , I'm making my own juices with no nicotine, it's cheaper that way. You guys should try snuff. I know it's gone out of style since the 19th century, but you get the nicotine hit without negative effects of smoke. I'll take lung cancer over mouth cancer any day. You 'snuff' up your nose, but only into the nostrils. There's been no instances of cancer from snuff. Last Edited by OCD Chaos Theorist on 02/19/2015 09:22 PM I wish I had more time so I could do even less. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67408738 United States 02/19/2015 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A conspiracy site buying into studies that were probably funded by big tobacco... Quoting: Roobit Someone is pissed they are losing out on money. Ive never read that vaping is safe for you, i have read thats its quitethe harm reduction when compared to cigs. Shit big tobacco has tons of e cig products now they aren't losing any money. |
The Årtist
User ID: 44124412 United States 02/19/2015 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Regarding formaldehyde Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66544502 The study found NO formaldehyde in the normal 3v-4v range. The most recent study referring to formaldehyde was done as 5 volts. Nobody vapes at 5v. Most batteries being used today run in the 3.3v-3.7v- range Formaldehyde gas is naturally occurring. It happens in greater amounts when metal is heated up(in this case at 5v) it gives it off. I vape a sub ohm coil at 30 watts. The voltage reading I get from this setup is 4.3V. So you're right, you'd have to be hitting a custom build with crazy power and super low resistance. RAGE |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66366131 Australia 02/19/2015 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A conspiracy site buying into studies that were probably funded by big tobacco... Quoting: Roobit Someone is pissed they are losing out on money. Ive never read that vaping is safe for you, i have read thats its quitethe harm reduction when compared to cigs. Shit big tobacco has tons of e cig products now they aren't losing any money. They don't have the monopoly at th moment plus e cigs are fair cheaper long term. |
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The Årtist
User ID: 44124412 United States 02/19/2015 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look at it this way. I smoked 3 packs of cigs a day. It was $14.93 EVERY SINGLE DAY for a looooonnnnggggg time. So now that I vape I save roughly $450 a MONTH and I don't feel like an elephant is sitting on my chest. I don't care about getting cancer. I care about saving $450 a month and not feeling like shit. RAGE |
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KimmieAnnaJones
User ID: 67132934 United States 02/19/2015 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So if it is the tar that causes cancer, then yes it is probably legit. I do find it interesting that many ecigs sites state that there is no tar but I used to be a dental hygienist and saw the staining first hand. That said, maybe they have changed them because that was about 6-8 years ago. "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come." - I AM Vote for people that have a track record for loving your Constitution or lose your country forever!!! Put down the damn touchy feely koolaid and WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!! :militia: |
TranceEndDance
User ID: 66242573 United States 02/19/2015 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Regarding formaldehyde Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66544502 The study found NO formaldehyde in the normal 3v-4v range. The most recent study referring to formaldehyde was done as 5 volts. Nobody vapes at 5v. Most batteries being used today run in the 3.3v-3.7v- range Formaldehyde gas is naturally occurring. It happens in greater amounts when metal is heated up(in this case at 5v) it gives it off. yep i vape my ecig all the time at 3.7, and thats even harsh at times, i cant see anyone vape at 5v that is just stupid. this piece is pure propaganda. if you want to vape organic, 100% vg is the best option [The scouts path is a double edge sword] "Know Thy Self" "Thinking is but a movement of the past meeting the present" "Only through discipline can one gain freedom" "The pursuit of the external divides the internal" "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" \Glutton for the truth/ |
TranceEndDance
User ID: 66242573 United States 02/19/2015 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe there is more tar exposure with the e-cigs. Quoting: KimmieAnnaJones So if it is the tar that causes cancer, then yes it is probably legit. I do find it interesting that many ecigs sites state that there is no tar but I used to be a dental hygienist and saw the staining first hand. That said, maybe they have changed them because that was about 6-8 years ago. there is NO TAR in ecigs, most people who smoke ecigs will also smoke cigs to, infact if they dont tapper down right on ecigs the will smoke even more cigs. [The scouts path is a double edge sword] "Know Thy Self" "Thinking is but a movement of the past meeting the present" "Only through discipline can one gain freedom" "The pursuit of the external divides the internal" "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" \Glutton for the truth/ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16389459 United States 02/19/2015 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe there is more tar exposure with the e-cigs. Quoting: KimmieAnnaJones So if it is the tar that causes cancer, then yes it is probably legit. I do find it interesting that many ecigs sites state that there is no tar but I used to be a dental hygienist and saw the staining first hand. That said, maybe they have changed them because that was about 6-8 years ago. You do realize that an e-cig is essentially a fog machine (literally) with a flavor added and usually nicotine. There should be no tar since nothing organic actually burned. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53456468 United States 02/19/2015 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is zero tar production from ecigs. If they were invented in America this wouldn't be an issue. Tobacco helped build this nation, going up against them is like battling oil companies. The effects of inhaling PG have been researched for decades and is FDA approved for inhalation. It's the carrier in asthma inhalers, and was used in air ducts as a germicide prior to UV light. It's all propaganda. Believe what you will. |