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It's an Outrage!!!!

 
Anonymous Coward
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01/20/2014 10:56 AM
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Freedom Village is an organization familiar with PA and NY CPS law and might help. They are faith based and fundraiser with a legal aid service that gets kids out of the system. They also operate a wayward teen home that takes kids for free and deprograms them from what the foster system has done. Its a christian organization and you should hear the teens on the radio. So well spoken about their past horrors. They will fight for her. I have heard the show on the radio for a dozen years. That is all I know. Prayers for Kira
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I would for sure contact Freedom Village too

[link to protectingourchildrenfrombeingsold.wordpress.com]


1-(800) 842-8679

If anything maybe they can give advice for having done this before themselves
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01/20/2014 11:00 AM
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 Quoting: Moraniac


i am NOT THE ONLY ONE wasting time,phone charges etc
SEARCHING FOR AN AUTHENTIC federal level CIVIL RIGHTS
atty IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
not a ""civil"" litigator, a CIVIL RIGHTS ATTY.

aclU_sue _u HAS their own bs agenduh and ILLEGALS and GLBT
remain their priorities.
same for all the other ALLEGED CIVIL RIGHTS groups.
OCR demands PROOF of discrimination and IS concerned with wheelchairs and accessibility bs.

sick of avvo,state boards and searches.
i am LITERALLY spending HOURS DAILY FOR MONTHS
and getting NOTHING and NOBODY.
twitter facebook legal blogs on and on putting out there the REQUEST and ever so politely as well.

all these STOP ABUSE CRAP are just that-
proclaiming THEIR victimization and offering NO ADVICE beyond emailng writing our whoredom of politicians.
uuuuuuuuuh has ANYTHING ever happened with advocating ?
NO.

THEY HAVE TO BE SUED.
when ENOUGH SUE SUCCESSFULLY they will be reined in.

the LACK of litigators WILLING TO GO on the federal level
IS a NATIONAL DISGRACE
and I HAVE BEEN TOLD that THEY don't WANT TO GO THERE
DUE TO ALL THE BS and EXPENSE on the federal level.

WE HAVE BASIC CASES that in most situations IF PRESENTED CORRECTLY
NEED
NO
ORAL
ARGUMENTS---FACT. documented cases out here/federal level.
and ARE WILLING TO COUGH UP THEIR FEES
as THEY WILL GET COMPENSATED.
we would even PAY for the basic amicus briefs etc
IF WE WERE LOIYUUUHS we wouldn't be begging for help.
these are our children
and the deadline for FILING on that level IS 6 months,

i am searching SINCE SEPTEMBER.


and you do UNDERSTAND that these violations and those violating them MUST BE PUR_SUED on the federal level
AS THEY REALLY REALLY THINK THEY HAVE IMMUNITY
as their constant actions REFLECT.

so that brings US BACK TO no attys OR alleged civil rights groups going the course
for PARENTS having their children literally KIDNAPPED and MOVED and sometimes to UNKNOWN locations
BASED ON LIBELOUS BS.

may God help us.
Vision Thing

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01/20/2014 11:05 AM

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This is a terrible story, I surely hope all the best for your granddaughter and your family. The state is clearly in the wrong to do what they are doing.
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01/20/2014 11:14 AM

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The thing that gets me, is I am also raising her brother [13], and a little sister {7mos]. They have not dared to say anything about them
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Where are the parents of these children?

Sorry for all your troubles. I hope it works out for you.
thair



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01/20/2014 11:17 AM
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If you actually have a case go to ACLU. If anything maybe they can explain to you what is going on. I'm not sure what is happening based on the posts here. If you live somewhere other than PA then you might have problems doing much about it. You would have to get a statement I believe from the state you live in that you can provide a good environment.
 Quoting: Dirtyboy


aclu IS NOT CONCERNED UNLESS THE KIDS are ILLEGALS, gay,lesbians,bi or transie OR were in a facility WHERE a cross was displayed etc.

they don't give a shit about parental rights,court abuses,constitutional violations NOTHING outside of their agenduuh.
GO AND CHECK OUT THEIR bs webiste and see what's up front and center.

and ooooh yea,OVERSEAS bs as well--
i mean what a JOKE the AMERICAN civil liberties union IS for violations of RIGHTS involving AMERICANS.
truthwillsetyoufreeag​ain

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01/20/2014 11:25 AM

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Ok. There is paperwork involved here- they don't just 'keep' her.

So, let's go through the terminology/ accusations. They have probably filed a CHIPS (child in need of protective services) case. In that case, there will be details of the accusations/ why they claim that your homestead or you, as people, are a risk to the child.

What are their claims?

Next, in order for them to give her shots she has to have been at least temporarily placed as a 'ward of the state' which would allow them to make medical, educational decisions for her.

This would have been another court case- in front of a judge- where the accusations would have been made and you could have responded.

Basically, while she is not in your charge, you aren't able to make decisions for her. So, to help you, we need to know on what basis they are holding her.
 Quoting: ladulce


They claim that since she is in Pa. state custody, that any ruling from our home state doesn't apply. It's about territorial jurisdiction and "state compacts"
 Quoting: old guard


With all due respect, from one parent to another, you seem to not be very forthcoming with what the accusations are. I understand the 'jurisdiction' dilemma, but, then what was she originally taken for? Regardless of where it was.

You aren't going to get very far by simply screaming that she has been taken and all of that, if you aren't going to provide the whole story. Again, with all due respect, it does make it seem like you have something to hide, and asking people to rally around your cause (which I would be more than happy to do if I had the full picture here) without any real information isn't going to make you look better, either.

Lastly, as far as the 15 year old being taken away and the other 2 children left, I would suspect that it is one of two allegations; either the child was very out of control, as in- selling drugs or running wild and the courts didn't think you could handle an 'over the top' child and she needed major help.... Or, there was an accusation/ belief that some type of sexual abuse was occurring (and, therefore a brother and a baby would be immune to it). Now, I may be wrong, but, there is a reason she was taken into custody and you don't want to answer what that is.

Of course, you have a right to privacy- but you are only telling us part of the story and want us to see you as victims- which you may be, but we can't know to help you without the whole story.


 Quoting: ladulce


hesright
thair



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As long as I am an American citizen and American blood runs in these veins I shall hold myself at liberty to speak, to write, and to publish whatever I please on any subject.” - Elijah Parish Lovejoy(1802-1837)

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government...Thomas Jefferson

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty...Thomas Jefferson

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Love, Peace and Unity! =)

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01/20/2014 01:50 PM
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OP i am so sorry to hear all of this, it's heartbreaking. Never give up, may God be with you both and i believe you will be reunited with your grandaughter. Nothing will keep you two apart from each other. Keep your heads up.

Much Love and Peace to you both! =)
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01/20/2014 02:00 PM
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I am so sorry this has happened to you.
Will be thinking of you and yours today.
hf

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geminilion

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01/20/2014 02:31 PM
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OP, think emancipation. May be an option that could help her get the hell away from those prick bastards at CPS.
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The best idea yet!
..."The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that guides your way."
Heraclitus
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01/20/2014 02:44 PM
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They won't send her home to us because:
a. We are known patriots in this area, and believe in the constitution as the law
b. We live on a hill top at 3200ft, in a nice cabin that we built ourselves
c.We are off grid, and have our own power. We are out of their "matrix".
 Quoting: old guard


sure it's an outrage
but
where is the MOTHER HERE ?

are you the legal guardian ?
and yes you better believe that IS the question.

they don't care you are the "surrogate" in between whatever.

been through this crap.
----

there are a multitude of blogs and websites with STATE specific FIGHT CPS and win
so try and calm down and get your info directly from these places.


and KNOW YOU ARE NOT THE 1ST going through this bs , and UNFORTUNATELY
WILL NOT BE THE LAST.

CPS must get sued OUTTA EXISTENCE
as they are CORRUPT BEYOND REDEMPTION.

an overhaul's useless.

and vaccinations ARE THE LEAST OF YOUR PROBLEMS RIGHT now
AS until PROVEN AS THE GUARDIAN
YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS.
neither does the kid.

they're property of the state and WARDS OF THE COURTS.

OUTRAGE ? definitely.

read up on what YOUR rights are and fight the good fight
and know that SOME DO WIN AND SUE THE SPIT OUTTA THEM AND WIN THAT TOO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18425240


If you have a facebook you can see her profile and she has pictures with her mother or she says its her mother.
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]
and another one of her pages that isnt private
[link to plus.google.com (secure)]

There are more pages just doing a search on google with only her name that was posted earlier in the thread.
She doesnt appear to be having issues so not sure what has happened but the other grandmother must of had some reason to call them in rather than send her back to the other grandmother
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53155093


Wondering OP why she didnt come home in Dec 2013.I clicked on the second link then on the POSTS section and see a post asking her to come home.Sounds as if she had the freedom to come home.Doesnt sound like she was unable to at that time.Something just seems off about this whole thing.
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01/20/2014 03:49 PM
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Last spring I posted that my Grandaughter was taken by CPS in Penna. She only went for a visit, and when her mentally challenged other Grandmother didn't want her, instead of calling and sending her home, gave her to Child Protective services. It's been an unending nightmare!
The outrage is that they are forcing, through threats of being sent to a juventile home, shots of every kind!!! We have never given her shots, as they are poison. Now, at 15, they threaten her to get them or they will put her in a home.
I can't believe this is happening. They have already started, and I can't imagine what her immune system is going through. I don't know what to do....macgun
 Quoting: old guard




get down on your knees and pray mightily...

what have you got left to lose?

just do it, and then continue to be diligent which I know you will, regardless of ere what comes
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01/20/2014 04:13 PM
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I don't believe in all of those shots, either so please don't take what I'm about to state the wrong way.

There are groups of people everyday being cycled through boot camp that are receiving many shots at once, too. I'm not saying they are harmless or since they do it, it should be okay but I want you to be able to get a little peace. It happens all the time and people will go on with life.

Take a breath and if you can't get a court order or anything to stop the shots. Let it go and think of our troops. Anything can happen in life, people can get ill for no reason, we can only try and reduce the chance of that happening. If there is nothing you can do, then just know there are people living healthy lives that came through it.

How long? No one knows what the future holds, so please don't worry about it.
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Your best bet is to get a lawyer. I got one when I knew I was innocent as hell, yet they wouldn't allow me to be alone with my kids. My son had a cat scratch on his hand that got infected and a teacher swore it was a cigarette burn. So CPS got involved. I came really close to getting put in jail for a cat scratch and the worst part was that Dr. Champion told them I was in there 3 days before with a cat scratch on his hand on that same spot. After 20 days I got me a lawyer, and the lawyer threatened to sue the crap out of the state they never bothered me again. I lost so much time with my youngest child, she was just a year old.

Now the scary part of this whole thing though is that I was told by my lawyer that the state of North Carolina gets paid $25,000 per child that they remove from their family, by the US government. That does not include what the state gets paid to take care of them in foster homes, that is just the states cut. This is why I tell folks all the time get a lawyer the minute that CPS gets involved. It cost me $100 for the lawyer to give the CPS a warning but I got peace and quiet, and I got to be with my kids.
 Quoting: pmb1


you guys dont get it do you?????

its a money racket scheme

the cities towns & counties are fkn broke !!!

the feds keepem alive by federally funding cps

families united has a 12 MILLION DOLLAR coffer - and thats not from "donations"

each kid has a pricetag on them - if they get diagnosed with some sort of illness, handicaap the money is paid on a higher matrix scale. thats why all the kids got adhd...bot bc they really got it but bc it brings the county money honey.

now.....the feds pay the state - the state pays the county, the county will pay an agency.....(some counties dont do agencies)

in the case of foster care, the present reimbursement to state and local government for each child taken into foster care is approximately $6000/month. yet the avg foster care provider (the foster parent) receives only somewhere around 600/month.

follow the money peeps - oh and i forgot to mention - IF the kid has a diagnosed illness that 6k will jump to 8-9 sometimes 10k.....in pmts from the feds....thats pure profit

and those group homes - u ever see them inside? they look like drug dens. bare minimum in them.

and the facilities (residentials) they only get like 12-1500 a month for the kid.

thats why theyre takin kids.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


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hope OP FINDS and can do the ACTIONS to get started here
and can let us know how it's going.


i remain with MY TIRADE,
that CPS nationwide,needs the s*it sued outta THEM
and ALL victimized,
and BASICALLY THAT IS ALL THEIR CASES-
MUST FILE and screw them,their social woikuuuhs,those transporting our kids
EVERY SINGLE ONE must be held ACCOUNTABLE
and these kangaroo courts CLOSED due to BANKRUPTCY/

and yeah the lawsuits pay out is on the TAXPAYERS as well,so since the taxpayers aren't getting fed up with the AMOUNTS WASTED on these useless foster care homes=
they will wake up and GET IT REAL FAST when the lawsuits are flowing\and then they will DEMAND AN END to the actions of CPS
resulting in sucessful lawsuits.

YEARS and years of hard working TRULY DEDICATED UNPAID
individuals ADVOCATIING FOR THE RIGHTS of parents and children,
all these damn years HAVE DONE NOTHING.

money talks and bs walks
and the bs within these hearings will take a hike WHEN they are screwed MONETARILY.


SUE THE BUMS and you can do it,WE CAN DO IT pro se which is not a joke but hard work--BUT OUR KIDS ARE WORTH IT
and like i scream-
sue them outta business .
right along the lines of the 14th amendment etc.

and mods ? THANK YOU for not banning me thinking i am stalking-

hope this thread stays "live" as there's always SOMEONE that just had their eyes OPENED DUE TO THAT KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
Southern OR

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OG - So sorry you have to deal with this. Who had legal custody of her when she went to visit the other Grandma? If it was you, they should return her to her home rather than put her in a state group home.
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01/26/2014 05:56 PM
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OP ??????

how are things going
or
NOT GOING for ya ?

we're concerned and as for me concerned to the point of registering !
patiently awaiting for TSHTF scenario





GLP