It's an Outrage!!!!

Ok. There is paperwork involved here- they don't just 'keep' her.

So, let's go through the terminology/ accusations. They have probably filed a CHIPS (child in need of protective services) case. In that case, there will be details of the accusations/ why they claim that your homestead or you, as people, are a risk to the child.

What are their claims?

Next, in order for them to give her shots she has to have been at least temporarily placed as a 'ward of the state' which would allow them to make medical, educational decisions for her.

This would have been another court case- in front of a judge- where the accusations would have been made and you could have responded.

Basically, while she is not in your charge, you aren't able to make decisions for her. So, to help you, we need to know on what basis they are holding her.

Is she underage?
Why are they allowed to take her to start with?
What did the other grandmother tell them that made them keep her?
Sounds more like they have her in custody?

With all due respect, from one parent to another, you seem to not be very forthcoming with what the accusations are. I understand the 'jurisdiction' dilemma, but, then what was she originally taken for? Regardless of where it was.

You aren't going to get very far by simply screaming that she has been taken and all of that, if you aren't going to provide the whole story. Again, with all due respect, it does make it seem like you have something to hide, and asking people to rally around your cause (which I would be more than happy to do if I had the full picture here) without any real information isn't going to make you look better, either.

Lastly, as far as the 15 year old being taken away and the other 2 children left, I would suspect that it is one of two allegations; either the child was very out of control, as in- selling drugs or running wild and the courts didn't think you could handle an 'over the top' child and she needed major help.... Or, there was an accusation/ belief that some type of sexual abuse was occurring (and, therefore a brother and a baby would be immune to it). Now, I may be wrong, but, there is a reason she was taken into custody and you don't want to answer what that is.

Of course, you have a right to privacy- but you are only telling us part of the story and want us to see you as victims- which you may be, but we can't know to help you without the whole story.

You are obviously very troubled. I will pray for your peace and the safety of the child.

They won't send her home to us because:
a. We are known patriots in this area, and believe in the constitution as the law
b. We live on a hill top at 3200ft, in a nice cabin that we built ourselves
c.We are off grid, and have our own power. We are out of their "matrix".

As she stated in the beginning, she sent her grandchild to visit her other grandmother in a different state. The other grandmother apparently didn't want to keep her for the amount of time of the visit and instead of sending her back home, she called the state and gave the grand daughter to the state.

The OP has been trying to get her grand daughter back home which is not in the same state, so any filings and court papers she has for custody of the child, the state of PA says they do not recognize because it is not done within the state.

It's not a simple matter when you have two other children to take care of and are thousands of miles away. I can imagine that they would balk at uprooting those children if they went to PA and call it child neglect because they were in a hotel instead of a home, or some other stupid bullshit.

sure it's an outrage
but
where is the MOTHER HERE ?

are you the legal guardian ?
and yes you better believe that IS the question.

they don't care you are the "surrogate" in between whatever.

been through this crap.
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there are a multitude of blogs and websites with STATE specific FIGHT CPS and win
so try and calm down and get your info directly from these places.


and KNOW YOU ARE NOT THE 1ST going through this bs , and UNFORTUNATELY
WILL NOT BE THE LAST.

CPS must get sued OUTTA EXISTENCE
as they are CORRUPT BEYOND REDEMPTION.

an overhaul's useless.

and vaccinations ARE THE LEAST OF YOUR PROBLEMS RIGHT now
AS until PROVEN AS THE GUARDIAN
YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS.
neither does the kid.

they're property of the state and WARDS OF THE COURTS.

OUTRAGE ? definitely.

read up on what YOUR rights are and fight the good fight
and know that SOME DO WIN AND SUE THE SPIT OUTTA THEM AND WIN THAT TOO.

If love of a child with guidance and joy in life is being a hill billy, then I guess I am.

In Penna. it's all about money.... the state gets lots of money for kids in the system...

What else can I do? How can I get justice without a responce from the people?

They won't send her home to us because:
a. We are known patriots in this area, and believe in the constitution as the law
b. We live on a hill top at 3200ft, in a nice cabin that we built ourselves
c.We are off grid, and have our own power. We are out of their "matrix".

Is it only people from the outside Usa that can see that Usa is now a Facshist country.
It now called the Nazi states of America.

They won't send her home to us because:
a. We are known patriots in this area, and believe in the constitution as the law
b. We live on a hill top at 3200ft, in a nice cabin that we built ourselves
c.We are off grid, and have our own power. We are out of their "matrix".

I would start a file on THEM. Names, addresses, background checks, whatever you can get your hands on. If this is a 'privatized' institution, I would find out who controls it and their board of directors, etc. Spam them with requests for documents and threats of personal lawsuits. Write letters to the Editor of all local newspapers. These scum prey on the 'easy fruit' of the vulnerable who have nobody to watch out for them. If you raise a stink they're prone to back off and slink back into the shadows.

May God bless you and the young lady....peace.

I guess no one is interested in what they are doing to our children.
Anyone from Pa.?

They claim that since she is in Pa. state custody, that any ruling from our home state doesn't apply. It's about territorial jurisdiction and "state compacts"

You need to email all the area attys and try to get someone to take your case pro bono.

harrisburg here - sorry for what youre goin thru op. i see this every day. but im in a position to tell cps to fuck off. see they need me i dont need them. ive blacklisted delaware county, northumberland & lawrence - for bullshit tactics like fixing child court cases, lying to a judge....shit like that.

then when they got no place to put one of their kids, they come begging - or (how lame is this?) have another caseworker call for the referral (so their names out of it) fuck you cps....pepperidge farm remembers.

one kid came to me w/33 medications, 5 of them all repeats of speed derivatives. another 4 or 5 were anti-psychotics.

if you had custody of your kid all along, and its a matter of the kid taken from a visit with grandma.....youre not under investigation.

have YOU been asked to participate in a parental review/court? or asked to complete a parenting class?

if you answered "no" then your kid must be returned to you.

do you realize how much fuckin money the counties get from the feds for your kids???>> if i told you - you'd shit. first you'd say it then you'd do it. thats why they dont wanna give the kids up to easy.

may i ask which county has your child??

I guess no one is interested in what they are doing to our children.
Anyone from Pa.?

If you actually have a case go to ACLU. If anything maybe they can explain to you what is going on. I'm not sure what is happening based on the posts here. If you live somewhere other than PA then you might have problems doing much about it. You would have to get a statement I believe from the state you live in that you can provide a good environment.

the one girl from chicago i mentioned a few posts back...she was berks county too but i got along with her worker, it was the ad litem (court atty for kid) that i despised.

no other relatives in your state willing to get approved?

the aclu is a joke here. theyre commie funded by soros. they only pick up the phone for the blacks & hispanics.

They won't send her home to us because:
a. We are known patriots in this area, and believe in the constitution as the law
b. We live on a hill top at 3200ft, in a nice cabin that we built ourselves
c.We are off grid, and have our own power. We are out of their "matrix".

Phen I had to reread that 3 times, then I started laughing. What do they see you now through the phone lines to see if your black or white??? Actually it wouldn't surprise me at all if they can tell just by a phone number

Her ad litem refuses to do anything, and now she refuses to answer our phone calls. She told us before that she has close to 3000 kids!?!? WTH?

wait a minute !!!! the law says here in pa that your kids does NOT have to take any medications from cps if the childs over 14 years of age. (school law says vaccinations but you can get religious waiver)

the Rx medications is LAW - the kid dont have to take the anti psychotics or other shit.

sorry i forgot about that op

they wont tell you this......but its fact.