Tribulation ...PRE-TRIB HATERS.... stop false teaching and stop hating!

1 Thess 4:14- is about the 1st resurrection which happens in the twink of an eye.

Mathew 25

Armageddon is over and Jesus separates the sheep from the goats (believing and non believing Gentiles).


Romans 11:25, 26

All Israel is saved.


Now going into His 1000 year reign their are no unbelievers. They all have natural bodies are under the law and subject to sin.

They procreate, die like normal humans

There is a timing issue here. The judgement in Matthew 25 happens after the millennium.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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I know some people believe that but if the sheep and goat judgment occurs at the Great White Throne judgment as you suggest, then everyone should be sent to the lake of fire, according to Revelation 20:11-15. Even the sheep should be sent into eternal punishment since everyone who stands before God at the Great White judgment goes to eternal punishment or the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:5-6, 14-15).


At any rate, sounds like you believe any old evil person can enter Christ Kingdom? Where is the fairness and justice in that?

Also Jesus tells the sheep "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"

unjudged unsaved people are not blessed and have no inheritance.

Only the dead stand before the throne, not everyone. Those living during the millennium are not dead.


The millennium adds a twist to the old testament scriptures. Not sure if the millennium is backed up other then references in Revelation.

Zechariah makes it clear that nations who go against Jerusalem will attend the feast of tabernacles year after year. It does not make it sound like they were believers and all with their nations attacking Jerusalem. Also their is a penality for them not attending the feast. Believers should not need a warning.

By the way what is the kingdom that they cannot be a part of? Is it the whole earth or Israel and Jerusalem? If the Kingdom is Israel why cannot non believers live outside the kingdom?

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Are you a Jehovahs Witness? Sounds like heir doctrine.


So you dont believe in the Milenial Reign of Christ?

But if there is one, unjudged unsaved people will be there?: Please explain how this is possible.

Zechariah: "It does not sound like they are are believers?" It saya exactly what it means.


After the "Great Trib ends (1260) days Chris returns. In Daniel 12:12 indicates 1335 days until the Millenial Reign begins. That is an additional 75 days. What happens during this 75 days? The sheep and goat Judgements.

I believe in the millennium and I am not a Jehovah Witness and I do not know what they believe.

Zechariah does say what it means and these are nations that attacked Jerusalem yet they still exist and are required to attend the feast of tabernacles and their offspring could easily populate the time of the millennium.

OK I see what you are saying. I have not been able to find one commentator that concludeds that any unsaved would enter the "Kingdom".


Matthew 13:36–43 KJV 1900

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into othe house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us pthe parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is qthe world; the good seed are rthe children of the kingdom; but the tares are sthe children of tthe wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; uthe harvest is xthe end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in xthe end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all ||things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall ycast them into yya furnace of fire: zthere shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall athe righteous shine forth as the sun in bthe kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


This seems to indicate that since the enemy is neutralized during the Millenium (no sowing tares), the Tares are dealt with prior to.

I understand that the people that attack Jerusalem are defeated but what about the women, children and people who do not take part and are left in their nations. Does the AC really make it to all non-believers? Time will tell.

Matthew 13 says the harvest is at the end of the world. The millennium is not the end.

This would line up with the judgement after the millennium.

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Context is everything.

In your opinion any scripture that doesnt explicitly designate "when" is after the Millenium.

Using that logic Adam and Eve could have happened after the millenium.

Reading the Word of God without the discernment of The Holy Spiri is just is just a orless academic pursuit.

In Matthew 13 it does say when. It literally says at the end of the world.

Also the great white throne judgement is at the end of the millenium.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

See that's the trouble with tribulations.

And Genisis says "in the begining".

the begining after the "end of the world"?
the begining after the trib?
the beginning after Christ return?
in the begining of creation?
something else?


Context is everything.


To make your beliefs work, there MUST be unsaved people in the Millenium. This is known as Eisesgesis.

















Anybody can twist anything to say anything they want.

Context is everything and you are ignoring Zechariah. Do you believe people that attack Jerusalem are saved?


Also "In the end of the world" is very specific. It does not just say "in the end".

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some translations say "the end of the age".

again context.

I see how you draw your conclusion and can only disagree.

They really do.

If we are drawing conclusions then where does it say anyone is born in the millennium unless we look into the OT which would then mean we need to pay attention to Zechariah and his prophecy where enemies of Israel must attend the feast of tabernacles.

So where are children born in the millennium and why does anyone other then resurrected saints need to be in the millennium?

We already know that resurrected saints populate the millennium. How do resurrected saints reproduce with their spirit bodies?

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Yes most of the prophecise about the Milenial Reign are in the old Testamant.

And yes of cousre I agree with what Zechariah says. It still does not say that they are unsaved people. It simply doesnt say that at all.

And i also agree that the resurected and raptured with glorified bodies do not reproduce. That is the whole point of the post. That during the pre-trib rapture 100% of the belivers are removed and get glorified bodies.

The non belivers that are left will go through Trib. The ones that die for Christ during the Trib will be resurected/raptured and receive glorified bodies (Yes I beleive in a post Trib resurection rapture!).

The saved survivors of the Trib both Israel and gentile will enter the Kingdom with natural Bodies and procreate.

Again I see your line of reasoning and I respect that. You are not just pulling things out of thin air. And it is possible that you are correct.

In full context I just completely disagree thats all.

Mathew 24:30 Mathew 25:31 refer to the same time.

Rapture timing is not foundatio re Salvation so its just conversation at this point.

First understand that the tribulation is for the believers, he who endures till the end…then separate YAHUAH wrath from the trib…then know that the pre trib rapture was invented by Darby who believed some woman with a fever who had a supposed vision, then Darby and scofield continued their agenda with the idea of dispensation, separating thé Yahudim from the gentiles making people believe that one ethnic group was treated differently from others…can you see where all of it is so wrong? Yet throughout the Scriptures Yah tells us that there are no difference because the lost tribes had been scattered all over the world and therefore HE would bring them back together under HIS banner. All at once and not in separate events, HE comes for us at the last trump keeping us safe until the tares have been taken care of, you know the two women in the field one is taken the other stays, kind of like Noah and his family, lot and his family…the bad ones are taken, but it’s not a rapture…

Now all of those are key words for you to start studying your Word without any preconceived ideas from the dispensation movement…go research it all and stop repeating the same lies the modern Christian church is giving you. Have you noticed most used the same cookie cut answers over and over…not good!

Well..

Pedo cults will pedo cult.

Bit like the jehovahs witnesses.

Except the jehoes only had ten jesus return fails.

The rapture tards have HUNDREDS.

And both groups fuck children a.lot.

We should be focusing on the SECOND EXODUS and sharing that Good News to the brethren, not a church rapture doctrine.



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If we don’t, people will be stuck in Egypt (THE NATIONS) to suffer the Punishments of GOD.

The scriptures used for a rapture are the SECOND COMING Scriptures after Tribulation.

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I do not buy into the 2 rapture theory. The only thing that solves all situations is a Pre-Wrath resurrection. The 2 witnesses and tribulation saints are resurrected just as all other saints at the first resurrection and it is clear you do not want to be in any resurrection that follows the first.


1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Those that do not take the Mark are killed...

Revelation 13:15
"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

What do you mean by saying that the Saved survive and enter the Kingdom?

do you believe that you can lose your salvation?