Tribulation ...PRE-TRIB HATERS.... stop false teaching and stop hating!

Bump for those that have studied to show themselves approved and have learned to rightly divide Gods Word.

Because there is nothing that expressly states there will not be pre-tribulation rapture nothing any of us say will convince you. Evidence doesn't mean anything to those living in delusion anyway.

I could point out the painstaking way the Holy Spirit and Jesus Himself described the events of the end of days, and specifically did so telling people to open their eyes and see the signs of the end, not so they could know what they would be seeing from the clouds.

But the people who believe we will be taken from the earth also believe in their loved ones being whisked away to "heaven" when they die. Not biblical. Heaven is not made for flesh and blood humans. And IF our spirit goes to some place at all, it is to be purified and recycled, you won't be in anyway attached to this life. This is all we get folks.

But you would have to put your man made Bibles down and actually do some honest to God unbiased research to figure out the truth.

(. But the people who believe we will be taken from the earth also believe in their loved ones being whisked away to "heaven" when they die. Not biblical. Heaven is not made for flesh and blood humans. And IF our spirit goes to some place at all, it is to be purified and recycled, you won't be in anyway attached to this life. This is all we get folks.

But you would have to put your man made Bibles down and actually do some honest to God unbiased research to figure out the truth. )

New age BS with some Hinduism mixed in . They have bigger problems than the Rapture. Salvation would cure their nonsense.

... Very telling that not one person has even attempted to address the 3 verses and 5 questions in the OP.

Its high time we put this satanic pre trib bullshit to an end! The easiest way to study prophecy is to isolate similar " words or phrases " from the bible and focus on them. Here is a good example:

Rev 20:5 and 20:6 both use the the phrase "first resurrection"

No where else in the entire bible is "first resurrection" quoted.....

Easy enough :}

By the way when something is repeated in the bible its very important and very rare. This particular phrase has it in back to back verses. Amazing! I wonder if there are anymore in the bible. It might be the only one....

So here we see a very important phrase, so what do we do with it.

Good question? Yes I'm getting there:}

The people in the first resurrection are those who have overcome the mark of the beast and had not worshipped the
beast so, they were there when the beast was given control!

Do you see it yet? Rev 20 read it...



These christians are so blessed and holy they get to be priests of God and Christ and will reign with him in the millenium.



No matter what happpens. The bible cleary states that very few people will be left. Just look it up!

Oh, and how about this.... these blessed and holy christians coming out of the trib are certainly not portrayed like this in the Left Behind series.

So here I am willing to overcome the mark and give my life for Christ and be part of his resurrection.


Im about to link this with the most popular rapture passage in the bible. Yes you know it......1 Thes 4:16 and wrap up this debate once and for all!

1 Thes 4:15 according to THE LORD'S OWN WORDS (this phrase is only found once in the bible)we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not preceed those who have fallen aseep...in other words..the RAPTURE takes place RIGHT AFTER the FIRST RESSURECTION..its there in black white and RED!

Do you see it? The rapture occurs immediately after the resurrection. Resurrection then Rapture!!!!

Remember .... Resurrection then Rapture

This is the most important issue in the bible concerning the timing of the rapture (pre, mid ,post) an unraveling it!


Its so important that it's repeated in 1 Thes 4:16!
" and the dead in Christ rise first "

Are not the saints from Rev 20 "the dead in Christ"

Well... are they. Certainly they are. they are Gods blessed people. They go first.... First resurrection>

I Thes 4:17 "After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up, with them to meet the Lord in the air"


Is not this the rapture??. Do you see it?


Resurrection then rapture.

Oh, please try not to tell me that there is an earlier resurrection or a "before the first resurrection"
Other wise its not the "FIRST RESSURECTION" at all..but a second..or a third.

When the Lord said "this is the first resurrection " and repeated himself moments later "Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection" He knew exactly what he meant.

There is a second resurrection after the 1000 yrs

So there you have it rapture doesnt occur until Jesus returns AFTER the trib..... get ready... were in for the ride of a lifetime...

This is not just thoery... Its the Word of God
Dont let anyone deceive you, Jesus has a lot to say about false teachers in the end. Look it up. Use a concordance its easy.

Bless all who recieve this message with open hearts, for I believed in the pre trib rapture for 20 years until the Lord showed me otherwise.

You see you can't sell a pre or mid trib rapture, but you can sell a pre trib one. Just look on your shelf you might have one.......

As a matter of fact 240 million copies were sold

You know... The Left Behind Series... the largest selling book series in history.


A million dollar lie!

Satan is laughing all the way to the BANK!

My thoughts exactly. If you want to find the rapture, we know it is right after the resurrection. And when is that:

1 Cor 15:22-26
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in [m]Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; then they that are Christ’s, at his [n]coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to [o]God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.

There are two resurrections:

1. Christ the first fruits

2. Those that are Christ's at his coming (Greek: parousia - bodily arrival).

But the pre-tribbers have said that the rapture is NOT the second coming. So that disagrees with these verses.

And since the there are only 2 resurrections, how would the Christians who die during the tribulation be resurrected?
So again the pre-trib rapture falls apart.

I wrote a whole chapter of a book on this so I have lots of proof already documented that the pre-trib rapture I was raised to believe in is false. I have outlined some of the proofs in the first few posts of this thread:

Thread: Rapture Harpazo is 40 days into the Day of the Lord.

And the vast majority of the church is being misled about this. Lots of pastors, Judethz, and this OP will have a lot of explaining to do to an people angry at being lied to when the pre-trib rapture does not happen. In contrast to what you immaturely conclude is hate, I would like to help save you from going through that buy appealing to your reason.

It helps no one except the devil to believe in a lie.

lol!

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Its high time we put this satanic pre trib bullshit to an end! The easiest way to study prophecy is to isolate similar " words or phrases " from the bible and focus on them. Here is a good example:

Rev 20:5 and 20:6 both use the the phrase "first resurrection"

No where else in the entire bible is "first resurrection" quoted.....

Easy enough :}

By the way when something is repeated in the bible its very important and very rare. This particular phrase has it in back to back verses. Amazing! I wonder if there are anymore in the bible. It might be the only one....

So here we see a very important phrase, so what do we do with it.

Good question? Yes I'm getting there:}

The people in the first resurrection are those who have overcome the mark of the beast and had not worshipped the
beast so, they were there when the beast was given control!

Do you see it yet? Rev 20 read it...



These christians are so blessed and holy they get to be priests of God and Christ and will reign with him in the millenium.



No matter what happpens. The bible cleary states that very few people will be left. Just look it up!

Oh, and how about this.... these blessed and holy christians coming out of the trib are certainly not portrayed like this in the Left Behind series.

So here I am willing to overcome the mark and give my life for Christ and be part of his resurrection.


Im about to link this with the most popular rapture passage in the bible. Yes you know it......1 Thes 4:16 and wrap up this debate once and for all!

1 Thes 4:15 according to THE LORD'S OWN WORDS (this phrase is only found once in the bible)we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not preceed those who have fallen aseep...in other words..the RAPTURE takes place RIGHT AFTER the FIRST RESSURECTION..its there in black white and RED!

Do you see it? The rapture occurs immediately after the resurrection. Resurrection then Rapture!!!!

Remember .... Resurrection then Rapture

This is the most important issue in the bible concerning the timing of the rapture (pre, mid ,post) an unraveling it!


Its so important that it's repeated in 1 Thes 4:16!
" and the dead in Christ rise first "

Are not the saints from Rev 20 "the dead in Christ"

Well... are they. Certainly they are. they are Gods blessed people. They go first.... First resurrection>

I Thes 4:17 "After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up, with them to meet the Lord in the air"


Is not this the rapture??. Do you see it?


Resurrection then rapture.

Oh, please try not to tell me that there is an earlier resurrection or a "before the first resurrection"
Other wise its not the "FIRST RESSURECTION" at all..but a second..or a third.

When the Lord said "this is the first resurrection " and repeated himself moments later "Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection" He knew exactly what he meant.

There is a second resurrection after the 1000 yrs

So there you have it rapture doesnt occur until Jesus returns AFTER the trib..... get ready... were in for the ride of a lifetime...

This is not just thoery... Its the Word of God
Dont let anyone deceive you, Jesus has a lot to say about false teachers in the end. Look it up. Use a concordance its easy.

Bless all who recieve this message with open hearts, for I believed in the pre trib rapture for 20 years until the Lord showed me otherwise.

You see you can't sell a pre or mid trib rapture, but you can sell a pre trib one. Just look on your shelf you might have one.......

As a matter of fact 240 million copies were sold

You know... The Left Behind Series... the largest selling book series in history.


A million dollar lie!

Satan is laughing all the way to the BANK!

This poster makes an excellent argument here. I agree with this person ^

Are you kidding, you’re like the media, we don’t agree with you and you call us haters??? Wow

If EVERBODY is raptured / resurected and meets Christ in the air (1 Thess 4:15-17) and gets glorified bodies....

.... ho are the people that have natural bodies, that live/die/procreate that Christ rules over during His Millenial Reign?!


because there is nobody left!



PLEASE ANSER!





Save the discertation and anser the question.

Sheep nations

Goat nations.

Sheep n goats.

Look it up you ignorant fuck.

RONGO! (you ignorant fuck!)


Mathe 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:



TRY AGAIN!



COME ON YOU PRE_TRIB HATERS! YOU MUST HAVE MORE THAT!


you destroy your on argument!

Yall keep proving the PreTrib Rapture.

1 Thess 4 CAN ONLY BE ABOUT PRETRIB!

Op is a satanist and at this point...

Very very doomed.

We are called to love and encourage each other, are we not??

Also called to expose works of darkness and deception.

And also told to have nothing at all to do with decievers.

We are not told to love or forgive willful decievers.

Light and darkness can have no fellowship.

Whatsoever.

Ever.

Pre trib is a satanic doctrine.

you probly believe in salvation byorks Too.

anser the question. ho populates the earth ith natural bodies and dies/procreates if all the believers are resurected / raptured and receive glorified bodies after the trib?



Very Simple Question...


The anser is obvious.

1 Thess 4 can ONLY be about Pretrib.

Jesus taught Post trib. Paul taught Pretrib.

1+1 = 2 Rapture resurections.

Op is a satanist.

Or more specifically.

A darbyist.

all you do is call names ith no proof. no doctrine.



either disprove the proof text and explanation or keep you lying mouth closed.

There are a few people left but it's like 5-8% of the population you see now. Isa 24:6 - Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are found guilty: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

During the millennium Jesus rules the nations with a rod of iron and if the nations will not pay tribute to Him, they will have no rain for a year. These are a remnant of lost mankind who survived the Day of the Lord. There is still a lost mankind in the Millennium, but Jesus then rules on earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years.

This

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Its high time we put this satanic pre trib bullshit to an end! The easiest way to study prophecy is to isolate similar " words or phrases " from the bible and focus on them. Here is a good example:

Rev 20:5 and 20:6 both use the the phrase "first resurrection"

No where else in the entire bible is "first resurrection" quoted.....

Easy enough :}

By the way when something is repeated in the bible its very important and very rare. This particular phrase has it in back to back verses. Amazing! I wonder if there are anymore in the bible. It might be the only one....

So here we see a very important phrase, so what do we do with it.

Good question? Yes I'm getting there:}

The people in the first resurrection are those who have overcome the mark of the beast and had not worshipped the
beast so, they were there when the beast was given control!

Do you see it yet? Rev 20 read it...



These christians are so blessed and holy they get to be priests of God and Christ and will reign with him in the millenium.



No matter what happpens. The bible cleary states that very few people will be left. Just look it up!

Oh, and how about this.... these blessed and holy christians coming out of the trib are certainly not portrayed like this in the Left Behind series.

So here I am willing to overcome the mark and give my life for Christ and be part of his resurrection.


Im about to link this with the most popular rapture passage in the bible. Yes you know it......1 Thes 4:16 and wrap up this debate once and for all!

1 Thes 4:15 according to THE LORD'S OWN WORDS (this phrase is only found once in the bible)we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not preceed those who have fallen aseep...in other words..the RAPTURE takes place RIGHT AFTER the FIRST RESSURECTION..its there in black white and RED!

Do you see it? The rapture occurs immediately after the resurrection. Resurrection then Rapture!!!!

Remember .... Resurrection then Rapture

This is the most important issue in the bible concerning the timing of the rapture (pre, mid ,post) an unraveling it!


Its so important that it's repeated in 1 Thes 4:16!
" and the dead in Christ rise first "

Are not the saints from Rev 20 "the dead in Christ"

Well... are they. Certainly they are. they are Gods blessed people. They go first.... First resurrection>

I Thes 4:17 "After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up, with them to meet the Lord in the air"


Is not this the rapture??. Do you see it?


Resurrection then rapture.

Oh, please try not to tell me that there is an earlier resurrection or a "before the first resurrection"
Other wise its not the "FIRST RESSURECTION" at all..but a second..or a third.

When the Lord said "this is the first resurrection " and repeated himself moments later "Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection" He knew exactly what he meant.

There is a second resurrection after the 1000 yrs

So there you have it rapture doesnt occur until Jesus returns AFTER the trib..... get ready... were in for the ride of a lifetime...

This is not just thoery... Its the Word of God
Dont let anyone deceive you, Jesus has a lot to say about false teachers in the end. Look it up. Use a concordance its easy.

Bless all who recieve this message with open hearts, for I believed in the pre trib rapture for 20 years until the Lord showed me otherwise.

You see you can't sell a pre or mid trib rapture, but you can sell a pre trib one. Just look on your shelf you might have one.......

As a matter of fact 240 million copies were sold

You know... The Left Behind Series... the largest selling book series in history.


A million dollar lie!

Satan is laughing all the way to the BANK!

The Bible teaches no such thing.

Well yeah it does - who are the nations that Jesus rules over with a rule over with a rod of iron. Why would Jesus deny rain on the nation that wwill not pay tribute? I explained it in a previous post, but your broad brush jump to a conclusion does not show in-depth consideration of the issue.

Rapture tards have never read the bible.

Not even once.

If they had there would be no such thing as a rapture tard to begin with.

What they like reading is other mens books on it.

But never the book itself.

They are like johovahs witnesses in that respect.

They too are never taught to read the bible.

Only other mens opinions on it.

Cults control their followers this way.

As much as I would love to believe in PreTR and get that mega-dose of hope for ~any day now~... I'm fairly certain that it's not the case, from personal study.

The tribulation isn't even God's wrath, not yet.. this is an obvious final sorting period when the Antichrist comes to power and is given his chance to deceive; otherwise, what's the point?.. Just bring the wrath already.

As well, Jesus tells us (clearly) in Matthew 24 that the elect will experience the tribulation.

Thank you for your anser. I appreciate you.

That said, 1 Thess 4:51-7 says ALL believes are resurected and raptured.

Since there are people on the earth for the Millenial Reign, those verses ca not be refering to after the trib.

People don realize Jesus taught the Post trib Rapture and Paul taught Pre-trib. So hey try and combine the 2 and get false doctrine.

The times of the Gentiles ends ith the Pretrib Rapture. Jesus then truns His attention back to the Nation of Israel and Jacobs trouble - the TRIB.

At His second coming, People that came to faith during the Trib inhabit the earth during His millenial Reign (Tribulation Saints). People that dies for Christ during the trib are Resurrected and receive Glorified Bodies.


1 Thess 4;:15-17 can ONLY refere to a Pre-Trib Rapture.


.

Op is a darbyist and dispensarionalist.

Both masonic and jesuit inventions.

Op does not know history.

Or the bible.

The op is terrified of being weong.

But then..all rapture tards ARE cowards by nature.

Which is why they embrace an easy escape no suffering or pain docteine.

They are all decieved.

Most by nature.

This

And ...





Its high time we put this satanic pre trib bullshit to an end! The easiest way to study prophecy is to isolate similar " words or phrases " from the bible and focus on them. Here is a good example:

Rev 20:5 and 20:6 both use the the phrase "first resurrection"

No where else in the entire bible is "first resurrection" quoted.....

Easy enough :}

By the way when something is repeated in the bible its very important and very rare. This particular phrase has it in back to back verses. Amazing! I wonder if there are anymore in the bible. It might be the only one....

So here we see a very important phrase, so what do we do with it.

Good question? Yes I'm getting there:}

The people in the first resurrection are those who have overcome the mark of the beast and had not worshipped the
beast so, they were there when the beast was given control!

Do you see it yet? Rev 20 read it...



These christians are so blessed and holy they get to be priests of God and Christ and will reign with him in the millenium.



No matter what happpens. The bible cleary states that very few people will be left. Just look it up!

Oh, and how about this.... these blessed and holy christians coming out of the trib are certainly not portrayed like this in the Left Behind series.

So here I am willing to overcome the mark and give my life for Christ and be part of his resurrection.


Im about to link this with the most popular rapture passage in the bible. Yes you know it......1 Thes 4:16 and wrap up this debate once and for all!

1 Thes 4:15 according to THE LORD'S OWN WORDS (this phrase is only found once in the bible)we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not preceed those who have fallen aseep...in other words..the RAPTURE takes place RIGHT AFTER the FIRST RESSURECTION..its there in black white and RED!

Do you see it? The rapture occurs immediately after the resurrection. Resurrection then Rapture!!!!

Remember .... Resurrection then Rapture

This is the most important issue in the bible concerning the timing of the rapture (pre, mid ,post) an unraveling it!


Its so important that it's repeated in 1 Thes 4:16!
" and the dead in Christ rise first "

Are not the saints from Rev 20 "the dead in Christ"

Well... are they. Certainly they are. they are Gods blessed people. They go first.... First resurrection>

I Thes 4:17 "After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up, with them to meet the Lord in the air"


Is not this the rapture??. Do you see it?


Resurrection then rapture.

Oh, please try not to tell me that there is an earlier resurrection or a "before the first resurrection"
Other wise its not the "FIRST RESSURECTION" at all..but a second..or a third.

When the Lord said "this is the first resurrection " and repeated himself moments later "Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection" He knew exactly what he meant.

There is a second resurrection after the 1000 yrs

So there you have it rapture doesnt occur until Jesus returns AFTER the trib..... get ready... were in for the ride of a lifetime...

This is not just thoery... Its the Word of God
Dont let anyone deceive you, Jesus has a lot to say about false teachers in the end. Look it up. Use a concordance its easy.

Bless all who recieve this message with open hearts, for I believed in the pre trib rapture for 20 years until the Lord showed me otherwise.

You see you can't sell a pre or mid trib rapture, but you can sell a pre trib one. Just look on your shelf you might have one.......

As a matter of fact 240 million copies were sold

You know... The Left Behind Series... the largest selling book series in history.


A million dollar lie!

Satan is laughing all the way to the BANK!

you destroy your argument all by yourself!

can you read? are you blind?



ADDRESS THIS:

1 Thes 4:15-17 says 100% of believers are raptured / resurected and receive glorified bodies.

That means "0% / NOBODY" could be left ith natural bodies that could procreate / die as the Bible teaches for Jesus to rule over during His Milennial Reign on earth


1 Thes 4:15-17 CAN NOT POSSIBLY REFER Postrib.


ONLY refer to another event - PRE-TRIB.


quit copying and pasting and explain yourself.