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So the FBI is actually the security/militant wing of the People's Democratic Party.
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Yep. And soon the IRS will be also.
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This comparison is very relevant,

since Garland mention justice equally.

It hasn't been equal for a long time.
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No it's not.

Not even in the same ballpark.

See above.
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As was reported back in late 2016, the Obama team was transferring the records to Chicago through the National Archives, which legally owns the documents once a president leaves office. Once the documents ultimately reached a warehouse in Chicago, the Obama Foundation then paid the National Archives and Record Administration to digitize the documents. There isn’t the faintest hint of legal violations there.

Also included in the handoff: the tens of thousands of gifts Obama received over his eight years in office, which, like the documents and records, officially remain in the “complete ownership, possession and control” of the government.

There were also no national security level classified documents in that either.

This was all done with full public knowledge and reporting.


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BTW, every president has done this when they leave office, legally, through the National Archives, for their post-office presidential library.
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Rules for one and not the other, it's clearly political, that's why the comparison..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82852459


But we're not even talking about the same thing here. See above.

Trump removed materials without authorization or going through the National Archives and stored them at his private residence. Some of that was highly classified national security level materials. National Archives had to go to Mar-a-Lago to retrieve documents, and they did but Trump didn't even give them everything.

Trump's whataboutism here is a total fail.
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Nov. 1 2016

On Tuesday, the White House began the laborious process of transferring all of President Barack Obama’s records – his memos, his letters, his schedules, and, yes, his emails – to the National Archives, which under federal law takes ownership of the documents when Obama leaves office.

At the downtown Washington Archives headquarters on Tuesday, uniformed US service members were busy loading palettes of cardboard boxes stuffed with Obama administration records onto orange forklifts. The boxes, which were carefully catalogued with green slips of paper and wrapped in clear plastic, were shuttled from a loading dock and into the back of a white Ryder moving van, which departed the building destined for a secure warehouse.

Like presidents before him, Obama is leaving office with the story of his presidency boxed and ready for the history books – at least the parts that aren’t declared top secret or otherwise unsuitable for public consumption.

George Washington had his diaries and letters hauled off in wagons to Mount Vernon, where he could consult them in the privacy of his own study. The National Archives got involved after Franklin D. Roosevelt’s presidency, managing the deceased chief executive’s papers at his library in Hyde Park, New York.

The Presidential Records Act in 1978 declared all presidential and vice presidential records property of the federal government, with “custody, control and preservation” of the records delegated to the National Archives when a commander-in-chief leaves office.

That means hundreds of millions of records must be transferred from the White House to the Archives before Obama finishes his term. The physical material will go from Washington into temporary storage at a secure warehouse in the greater Chicago area, before eventually being moved into Obama’s presidential library, due to be erected on the city’s South Side.

Ronald Reagan’s administration established a computer cataloguing system that allowed officials to quickly access any records they needed while the president remained in office.

Because the Reagan library was situated across the country in Simi Valley, California, military cargo planes were employed, packed full of records and emptied at air bases in Southern California. Trucks escorted by police deposited the records at the storage site.


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So the FBI is actually the security/militant wing of the People's Democratic Party.
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Yep. And soon the IRS will be also.
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Aim well, shoot once.
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5 mins ago

My attorneys and representatives were cooperating fully, and very good relationships had been established. The government could have had whatever they wanted, if we had it. They asked us to put an additional lock on a certain area - DONE! Everything was fine, better than that of most previous Presidents, and then, out of nowhere and with no warning, Mar-a-Lago was raided, at 6:30 in the morning, by VERY large numbers of agents, and even “safecrackers.” They got way ahead of themselves. Crazy!
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Thanks!
 Quoting: Ultra MAGA Oaken Paw


This is all good and well, but I do want to know more about the warrant. Did his lawyers receive a copy? If so, why haven't they released it? If not, why does Garland seem to think it was given to the Trump team?
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
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Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
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So the FBI is actually the security/militant wing of the People's Democratic Party.
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Keen observation.
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What does it say? Cannot see Twitter links at work
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THREAD: A federal law enforcement source tells me probable cause for search warrant ‘very likely’ came from a secret service member.





At Mar-a-Lago, Trump is surrounded by 2 types of people:
1) political loyalists
2) law enforcement officers in the Secret Service

Only the LE officers would have an ethical and/or legal duty to report observations of criminal conduct to fellow law enforcement officers.
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Thank you!
 Quoting: Ultra MAGA Oaken Paw


“Very Likely” sounds a lot like “speculation.”

And why was the warrant signed by a judge who’d just recused himself from a Trump v Hillary case again?
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This comparison is very relevant,

since Garland mention justice equally.

It hasn't been equal for a long time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79629653


No it's not.

Not even in the same ballpark.

See above.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80382713


As was reported back in late 2016, the Obama team was transferring the records to Chicago through the National Archives, which legally owns the documents once a president leaves office. Once the documents ultimately reached a warehouse in Chicago, the Obama Foundation then paid the National Archives and Record Administration to digitize the documents. There isn’t the faintest hint of legal violations there.

Also included in the handoff: the tens of thousands of gifts Obama received over his eight years in office, which, like the documents and records, officially remain in the “complete ownership, possession and control” of the government.

There were also no national security level classified documents in that either.

This was all done with full public knowledge and reporting.


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BTW, every president has done this when they leave office, legally, through the National Archives, for their post-office presidential library.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80382713




Rules for one and not the other, it's clearly political, that's why the comparison..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82852459


But we're not even talking about the same thing here. See above.

Trump removed materials without authorization or going through the National Archives and stored them at his private residence. Some of that was highly classified national security level materials. National Archives had to go to Mar-a-Lago to retrieve documents, and they did but Trump didn't even give them everything.

Trump's whataboutism here is a total fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83993066


Nobody knows that. Here's a few scenarios to consider:

When Trump left the Whitehouse he was still President, so how is it possible to have removed anything without authorization?

Since Mara Lago was the 2nd WH with a SCIF onsite, it is entirely possible those documents (if they exist) were generated at Mara Lago and never left that building - having a SCIF onsite allowed for proper storage of anything that was classified - again I'd like to know more about all that.

But the fact is we don't know much at this point. Another question I'd like answered is why does the archivist think there is more classified documents? What leads them to believe that? Just curious - would really like some real answers on all this.

We are all waiting on answers.
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Thanks!
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This is all good and well, but I do want to know more about the warrant. Did his lawyers receive a copy? If so, why haven't they released it? If not, why does Garland seem to think it was given to the Trump team?
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
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Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


Trump did receive a copy of the search warrant. Everybody gets that when authorities execute a search warrant. He also received an index of everything they removed.

There is nothing preventing him from releasing all of that to the public. But he won't. That is why Garland is seeking a court order to gave it released for everyone to see.
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FUCK MERRICK GARLAND, AND FUCK JOE BIDEN. PRAYING TO GOD BOTH OF YOU DISAPPEAR FROM AMERICAN POLITICS FORTHWITH. RESIGN. COMMIT SEPPUKU, I DON'T CARE, JUST BE GONE.


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And you know because...

you saw?

Know people?
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Hosebag liberals need to at least admit that if Obama stole the entire contents of the White House and carted them off to his place in Martha's Vineyard, they'd claim that was a minor oversight on his part.

In my case, I admit I give more slack to Donald Trump because he is generally of the right. But if were rightwing version of a slimeball liberal, I'd have to walk away from him. That liberals do just the opposite towards the hosebags of the left speaks volumes about why meanness and corruption reign supreme when they have the upper hand.
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Thanks!
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This is all good and well, but I do want to know more about the warrant. Did his lawyers receive a copy? If so, why haven't they released it? If not, why does Garland seem to think it was given to the Trump team?
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
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Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


If Trump's team does have it and don't release it - they might be waiting for Garland's team to release the redacted version - to see what gets redacted - might tell a story - who knows......
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If Trump gets back into office he needs to fire about 2/3rds of the federal government and forever ban them from ever being involved in a federal position again. No more Mr. Nice guy, just a clean sweep budget reduction. No more FBI, every single person fired with extreme prejudice. Immediately put one of the Pauls Ron or Rand in charge of the Federal Reserve and stick it to the deep state harder then they have ever had anyone stick it.

Place arrest warrants for Gates, Fauci, Soros and use the same executive order that was used to create the FBI to create a new agency whos sole purpose is to fk the deep state with hard long strokes over and over flipping each one until they can flip no more.
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No it's not.

Not even in the same ballpark.

See above.
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As was reported back in late 2016, the Obama team was transferring the records to Chicago through the National Archives, which legally owns the documents once a president leaves office. Once the documents ultimately reached a warehouse in Chicago, the Obama Foundation then paid the National Archives and Record Administration to digitize the documents. There isn’t the faintest hint of legal violations there.

Also included in the handoff: the tens of thousands of gifts Obama received over his eight years in office, which, like the documents and records, officially remain in the “complete ownership, possession and control” of the government.

There were also no national security level classified documents in that either.

This was all done with full public knowledge and reporting.


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BTW, every president has done this when they leave office, legally, through the National Archives, for their post-office presidential library.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80382713


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79203568


Rules for one and not the other, it's clearly political, that's why the comparison..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82852459


But we're not even talking about the same thing here. See above.

Trump removed materials without authorization or going through the National Archives and stored them at his private residence. Some of that was highly classified national security level materials. National Archives had to go to Mar-a-Lago to retrieve documents, and they did but Trump didn't even give them everything.

Trump's whataboutism here is a total fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83993066


Nobody knows that. Here's a few scenarios to consider:

When Trump left the Whitehouse he was still President, so how is it possible to have removed anything without authorization?

Since Mara Lago was the 2nd WH with a SCIF onsite, it is entirely possible those documents (if they exist) were generated at Mara Lago and never left that building - having a SCIF onsite allowed for proper storage of anything that was classified - again I'd like to know more about all that.

But the fact is we don't know much at this point. Another question I'd like answered is why does the archivist think there is more classified documents? What leads them to believe that? Just curious - would really like some real answers on all this.

We are all waiting on answers.
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When Trump left the Whitehouse he was still President, so how is it possible to have removed anything without authorization?

Simple - he had it loaded into trucks and took it away to Mar-a-Lago. There were photos of that happening. There was no authorization, coordination or control from National Archives, who legal remains in control of it, and that is why National Archives went to Mar-a-Lago to try to get it back from Trump.

Whatever classified documents may have been at Mar-a-Lago also remain property of the government and should have been returned under proper classified materials protocols.

We don't really know if Trump still kept classified materials there after Archives collected those 15 boxes of documents that he improperly removed and retained. That would be in the inventory index for the materials that FBI removed. Trump could release that, but he won't.
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Just an FYI: Watching Fox, Bret Baier said he's releasing a new poll at 6 pm
on his show showing 75% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track.
"Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes"

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This is all good and well, but I do want to know more about the warrant. Did his lawyers receive a copy? If so, why haven't they released it? If not, why does Garland seem to think it was given to the Trump team?
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It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
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Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


If Trump's team does have it and don't release it - they might be waiting for Garland's team to release the redacted version - to see what gets redacted - might tell a story - who knows......
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What is coming out of the Trump team is that they did not receive a copy, so one of the sides is lying or very mistaken.
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Thanks!
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This is all good and well, but I do want to know more about the warrant. Did his lawyers receive a copy? If so, why haven't they released it? If not, why does Garland seem to think it was given to the Trump team?
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
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Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
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You have no clue how that process works… lol
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This is all good and well, but I do want to know more about the warrant. Did his lawyers receive a copy? If so, why haven't they released it? If not, why does Garland seem to think it was given to the Trump team?
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
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Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


Trump did receive a copy of the search warrant. Everybody gets that when authorities execute a search warrant. He also received an index of everything they removed.

There is nothing preventing him from releasing all of that to the public. But he won't. That is why Garland is seeking a court order to gave it released for everyone to see.
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We do not know if he a got a copy…Trump isn’t treated like “everybody” by the authorities, and especially not by the FBI.

If Trump does have a copy of everything, then how do we know he won’t release it?

Why would he hold onto it if Merick is planning to have it released anyway?

Your presumption of guilt before knowing the facts is quite obvious to me, if it isn’t to you,
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This is all good and well, but I do want to know more about the warrant. Did his lawyers receive a copy? If so, why haven't they released it? If not, why does Garland seem to think it was given to the Trump team?
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77262046


Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


You have no clue how that process works… lol
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1 there are 2 parts to a warrant.
2 it must be returned after the search.

They also have to provide an inventory of anything that was seized and return the warrant to the magistrate that issued it. Anything seized will be held in police custody until it is presented in court.

Complete fucking pathetic ignorance…

Stop just listening to twitter.
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Jesus, they did NOT get a full copy of the warrant, this has been proven already, this is fact..if you say he has the full unsealed copy you are straight up lying and need to shut the fuck up, you have nothing to add , facts only..

They have been saying for days that if they want to see the sealed docs they have to take it to court, look it up dipshit.

So no Trumps team never got a copy at all they were shown the warrant and when they asked for the rest they were told ask the court.

I know you POS soyboy phags really want this to mean something, because CNN said it was, but its not...they have nothing on Trump , never did.

And for the fuknut that keeps callin conservatives Karen , sorry that term has been spoken for, just like snowflake, that is 100% owned by the commie left leaning pussies, we assigned that to you and its yours , no take backs..when you try to use it wrong, its like calling an old white guy the N word...it makes no sense and you look silly.
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This is all good and well, but I do want to know more about the warrant. Did his lawyers receive a copy? If so, why haven't they released it? If not, why does Garland seem to think it was given to the Trump team?
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It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
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Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
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You have no clue how that process works… lol
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How is it different from what I've said?
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Jesus, they did NOT get a full copy of the warrant, this has been proven already, this is fact..if you say he has the full unsealed copy you are straight up lying and need to shut the fuck up, you have nothing to add , facts only..

They have been saying for days that if they want to see the sealed docs they have to take it to court, look it up dipshit.

So no Trumps team never got a copy at all they were shown the warrant and when they asked for the rest they were told ask the court.

I know you POS soyboy phags really want this to mean something, because CNN said it was, but its not...they have nothing on Trump , never did.

And for the fuknut that keeps callin conservatives Karen , sorry that term has been spoken for, just like snowflake, that is 100% owned by the commie left leaning pussies, we assigned that to you and its yours , no take backs..when you try to use it wrong, its like calling an old white guy the N word...it makes no sense and you look silly.
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clappa

CONGRATULATIONS

You’re not a complete fucking idiot like these other people…

It’s so pathetic how they just parrot and repeat the msm.
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Rules for one and not the other, it's clearly political, that's why the comparison..
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clappa
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It's sealed. Of course they don't have a copy FFS.

Even if a copy was left with a lawyer, the DOJ would shit all over Trump for releasing it publicly before unsealing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77262046


Uh, sealed from the public. The Trump team should have received a copy, and they are well within their rights to release it to the public if they choose.
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


You have no clue how that process works… lol
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How is it different from what I've said?
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No fucking clue bro. Sit down.
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Notice how Biden is feigning ignorance to the whole damn thing?

The DOJ & FBI are throwing cover for Biden and democrats to not upset midterms
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Trump did receive a copy of the search warrant.
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that's not what Eric Trump says.

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~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~
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Notice how Biden is feigning ignorance to the whole damn thing?

The DOJ & FBI are throwing cover for Biden and democrats to not upset midterms
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Jesus, they did NOT get a full copy of the warrant, this has been proven already, this is fact..if you say he has the full unsealed copy you are straight up lying and need to shut the fuck up, you have nothing to add , facts only..

They have been saying for days that if they want to see the sealed docs they have to take it to court, look it up dipshit.

So no Trumps team never got a copy at all they were shown the warrant and when they asked for the rest they were told ask the court.

I know you POS soyboy phags really want this to mean something, because CNN said it was, but its not...they have nothing on Trump , never did.

And for the fuknut that keeps callin conservatives Karen , sorry that term has been spoken for, just like snowflake, that is 100% owned by the commie left leaning pussies, we assigned that to you and its yours , no take backs..when you try to use it wrong, its like calling an old white guy the N word...it makes no sense and you look silly.
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A federal search warrant is a one page form, possibly with an attachment to provide details of specifically which areas are to be searched. By law, a full copy of that warrant must be provided to the person who is the object of the search.

Trump has that and there's no question about that. He also has a copy of the inventory index of materials that were removed, as is required by law. He will not release those. Garland said today that DoJ is going to court to have both released publicly.

What will not be released is the affidavit, which provides details regarding evidence proving probably cause that a crime was committed.
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Re: BREAKING: AG Garland Making Statement on Trump Raid - Live Now!
Just an FYI: Watching Fox, Bret Baier said he's releasing a new poll at 6 pm
on his show showing 75% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track.
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And the other 25% are poll-filling bots and idiot NPC's.
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