Animals are not souls? Animals are not spirit???

Why are so many focused on the form...?

Especially when they in the next breath claim its just a suit..?

Animals have souls/spirits, but are not capable of living eternally in the spirit world as humans are. Humans were developed as an advanced species purposely so they would be capable of more complex thought processes and experiences in physical life that help develop their inborn souls to have enough substance to continue to exist and to learn and grow after death.
Yes, pets are found in the afterlife, but they will not live forever as we do.
Whether their soul substance is recycled and reused or whether they eventually dissipate I don’t know.

no, I did not say that anything that does lick its ass has a Soul ... a fish doesn't lick its ass, plants don't have asses to lick, nor do minerals ... I was making a point about the difference between "animals" and soul carriers ... we are NOT "ANIMALS" ... plain and simple ... they serve Humans /Souls ... and we Humans serve the purpose of our Creation ... of our OWN FREE WILL ...

my little doggie, that I love dearly, has a perpetual feeder ... yet it will eat a chicken, goat, horse or cat turd on our daily trip to the barn ... Humans don't do that and I don't kiss him or let him spam face or hands - I accept his behavior, I don't ignore it and I appreciate the role he play on the farm and in my life, but I don't pretend that he is a soul carrier

Last Edited by Shadow Dance on 04/20/2022 11:59 AM

Favorite pets appear in NDEs.

There is no lesser, those you mention are absolute.

If any living thing consciousness is lesser, it is that of man.

Is this something you "believe" or something you *know* ??

Hi there! Yeah, I saw that. You know that can work both ways, right? There seems to be quite a few threads that I comment in, disappear.

Glad to see you here

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 04/20/2022 11:42 AM

Some scripture verses:

Ecclesiastes 3:19

For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity.

Genesis 7:15

So they went into the ark to Noah, by twos of all flesh in which was the breath of life.

Psalm 49:20

Man in his pomp, yet without understanding,
Is like the beasts that perish.

Genesis 9:4

Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.



That's just a few. There's many many more.

There's a few concepts that need to be defined and agreed upon.

What is life?
What is soul?
What is spirit?

Gnositism and wisdom is much invited here.

The creator is spirit and soul.

Let's start with that.

A jaguar in the jungle ain't serving humans...
Might serve UP a human... but that's a different matter.



We have more in common with what you call an "animal" then differences. Eat, sleep, dream, born and die.
Their serving the purpose of their creation, as are we.
Both are growing...well...hopefully...
Could see some humans going back in complexity... can't really say the same of other species here

You mean reincarnation,

Can an animal read the Bible and acknowledge the Creator ?

If you reincarnate,

you would better know the creator's word and will to be worthy to reincarnate in a human host body or better, right ?

Reincarnation is a deception,

like a in Ponzi scheme there's no room for new born spirits, there would be already zillions of old spirits craving for a new host body or yet already dwelling in some of those living host bodies walking the Earth.

Most of the dogs I've had (about 70 or so) have far more spirit and soul than a large per cent age of biped "man".

Animals innately know God, man (for the most part) does not.

The Bible shows animals will definitely be in God's eternal kingdom.

I want to go back to this original post... and the quote that another posted to me. This is the bolded part above.

Notwithstanding natural law, animals naturally follow the second greatest commandment of Yahshua. Which boils down to an unconditional love state of being.

we can learn from animals that which we cannot learn from 99.999% of humanity.

There are other ways of learning than that of *reading a book*. A much better way is to *live* what you learn rather than just reading.

I've heard it said that an animal will not reincarnate as a human due to human's cruelty to other life, even its own like

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 04/20/2022 12:01 PM

Yep, i'm sorry about that,

Anyways the truth remains the truth forever, even though it is buried under the sea floor, happy will be those uncovering it and embracing it, they will meet God the Father.

life IS in the Spirit always... animals rarely have indivudal souls.. they have group shared soul. Thinking mind is needed to separate from the group soul.. always and some are.

Animals dont have Souls. Animals cant sin or offend God or please Him. God did not die so Animals could have eternal life. Ants dont go to heaven, worms dont go to heaven and minnows dont go to heaven.

Now that being said. IF you make it to heaven and I mean IF (Road to Heaven is Narrow and Few take it, most people dont think that applies to them in the Saved protestant crowd) but If you do make it to the beatific vision and you finally love God above all things one of two things will happen regarding your pets.

1. Your love for God will fulfill all your desires and you will not even consider them.

2. You desire your pets and of course cause you are in heaven and love God above all things then all else will be given unto you. He will give you your pets again easily as he already gave them to you once in this fallen world he can easily do it again in the Kingdom.

So your thought is that because animals can't sin, they have no soul?

Animal follow first their instinct made by the Creator and integrated to their host body, the brain is the key feature.

The brain is a fantastic organic super computer that can be manipulated, formatted, formed or left alone wild learning from the contextual it is living in,

therefore we see dolphins or monkeys performing tasks tremendously well, but it is nothing more than a brain showing great potential to perform unnatural tasks and performances.

Regarding emotions, you give love to a wild animal it won't necessary hang around you forever and understand your loving intentions, at least it would perceive your presence as natural by your willingness to not disturb the natural course.

A domesticated pet, fed, protected and groomed by humans from its early days, would enjoy receiving your love, because it's good, caring sweet and peaceful, but if you beat it and make it suffer it would make the difference between a friendly and the unfriendly.

Interesting thought.

Eh. Talking more of evolution then reincarnation.

I know that will go against the bible... but I don't think people would have been locked out of heaven prior to it being written.
Keep in mind, Jesus challenged the bible of the time. Denounced the priests, questioned them, wandered into the desert when he found their answers lacking.
May those who follow his words, follow in his footsteps.

As for the last... have you considered there's other methods of existence then just in the physical level we see in front of us? Ascending choirs of angels and the like.
I mean, you have clearly... you mention the bible, which states sitting next to God... in other "places"

Anywho...food for thought

Re the bolded part... do you find humans to react differently in the same circumstances?

how about some fucking logic? is that allowed in fairy tale land?

no definition of spirit. That's a fairy tale term

no definition of soul. That's one as well.


YOU PEOPLE

Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.

Thanks for your inspiring wisdom!

Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.

Hitler loved Christianity. He thought it was the most brilliant mind control scheme ever.