Animals are not souls? Animals are not spirit???

Bible scripts can be included and *discussed* ......

as well as extra-biblical scripts......

as well as spiritual wisdom..... aka gnosticism.

Ecclesiastes 3: 19. For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? - Bible Offline

Thank you!

Animals can have intense feelings. Souls, spirits, and minds are just what our human bodies, brains, and senses do for us when we are alive. Animals have all three capacities. In both humans and other animals our souls, spirits, and minds are evanescent and die along with our mortal bodies.

anyone else?

Numbers 22: 21. And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab. 22. And Elohim's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of YHVH stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. 23. And the ass saw the angel of YHVH standing in the way, and His sword drawn in His hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way. 24. But the angel of YHVH stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side. 25. And when the ass saw the angel of YHVH, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again. 26. And the angel of YHVH went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27. And when the ass saw the angel of YHVH, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28. And YHVH opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29. And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30. And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay. 31. Then YHVH opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of YHVH standing in the way, and His sword drawn in His hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face. 32. And the angel of YHVH said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before Me: 33. And the ass saw Me, and turned from Me these three times: unless she had turned from Me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive. 34. And Balaam said unto the angel of YHVH, I have sinned; for I knew not that thou stoodest in the way against me: now therefore, if it displease thee, I will get me back again. - Bible Offline

Dog atleast I am certain are a physical manifestation of God's love for us. He gave us a wonderful thing to be our most loyal companion and friend. I would be incomplete and lost without a dog even though they age and die and I have had more than a few once the period of grief ends and I have mourned my loss I always am rewarded with another. Cats are ok too...I guess.

Not if you want quotes from a book.

I'd say spend time with them. Think and contemplate.
Gnosticism and all that

A lesser form of consciousness no doubt, but absolutely has a soul and spirit.

Genesis 3: 1. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which YHVH Elohim had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath Elohim said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, Elohim hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5. For Elohim doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. - Bible Offline

Ezekiel 1: 10. As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. - Bible Offline

Genesis 9:9-10

9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast
of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.

Animals are part of the covenant. That means they have a soul.

Revelation 4: 7. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. 8. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, YHVH Elohim Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. - Bible Offline

Why are they still here. Lol

All they have to do is nod...

The greatest part of their soul is in the heavens.

I agree.

My understanding is that animals have a soul, but not a spirit.

This site explains it with Biblical references:

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I'm the poster you refer to,

The other thread has been wiped out,

See, both the holy and the wicked are on GLP,

But when the holy reveals in layman terms how to get connected to God thru the His Holy Path,

Boom, the thread disappears,

Therefore now you know which side holds that message board.

That's part of the game.

I am going to suggest that trees and rocks do too. Which has large implication.

Matthew 3: 9. And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that Elohim is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. - Bible Offline

Luke 19: 39. And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40. And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. - Bible Offline

Trees has a lot of scripture. So please research your self

Your welcome . Late here. Good night. But one more response

I have felt from a distance when two of my dogs have died (separate occasions). And it feels EXACTLY the same when humans die.

This incredibly empty feeling inside, like having had a massive orgasm but without any of the positive feelings related to it. A soul has left us, and it leaves an empty space for a while.

Did you not read the first scripture i quote. It says Spirit. What does that mean. Well soul encompass our personality in particular. Many animals have pesonality. Emotions etc . Capacity for logic understanding learning

Animals do not host souls ... what would be the point ?

our Soul carriers are UNIQUE they were created to host souls - and each one of them was designed uniquely to host a unique soul -

we are connected to all lifeforms in the Universe by our DNA - and from a broad perspective, we are ONE - each with our own role ... but plants and animals, foul, fishes and reptiles and even minerals and insects have "instincts" and a degree of intelligence, that demands awe and respect - and appreciation, but they do not host Soul Consciousness

just think about it - all other life-forms lick their asses to clean them - Human's do not - because they are made in the image of god - and god does not lick his ass to clean it

what IS - is what should be, everything serves a purpose

The soul is what animates.

Absolute BS

Last Edited by TheDenier on 04/20/2022 11:09 AM

One way for a soul to start "flexing" in "existance"

Least... this type of existence

So... anything that does not lick its butt has a Soul...?

You realize how many animals that would include, right?

I mean... I'm not going to even bother debating the points further because... well... obvious reasons

Man and woman constitution:

Spirit > You as a spiritual being life form.

Body > the host, The vessel, the horse, the car, the articulated device allowing motions and interactions, where dwells the genuine spirit whom was paired to that vessel from conception, set in motion either by the brain stimulations(slave: idle, sleepy or stonewalled dead) or by holy spiritual stimulations(master: awaken, alive)

Soul > the living experience, the memory, the track record, the livelihood account, the lifetime testimony, the flight recorder.

Animal constitution:

One body and one soul.

You do realize "scripture" are just words from a fairy tale?
"the soul" is just sentience. Once an animal is self aware, it starts to develop an awareness of its existance, the more intelligent the animal the more "soul" it has. Ever see an injured Bear? A cow standing in line smelling the slaughterhouse? The dog watching his buddy that just got hit by a car?
Meanwhile compare that to some of the shit certain groups of "human" do to each other and laugh.....and tell me we have a soul and they do not.

you have humanized your pets, in YOUR MIND, and suffer unnecessarily because of your self-created belief that they have Soul Consciousness (Human) - do they look HUMAN to you, do they act human or even eat the same as humans ... do you shit outside, or in a box - stop humanizing your pets -and appreciate them for what they ARE ... and how they enhance Human existence - of course you miss them, but they have very short life spans so that you can enjoy lots of them in a life-time

at least when you eat another life form, it becomes a part of you ... not so with pets - that in rare instance will eat you.