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Animals are not souls? Animals are not spirit???

 
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Animals dont have Souls. Animals cant sin or offend God or please Him. God did not die so Animals could have eternal life. Ants dont go to heaven, worms dont go to heaven and minnows dont go to heaven.

Now that being said. IF you make it to heaven and I mean IF (Road to Heaven is Narrow and Few take it, most people dont think that applies to them in the Saved protestant crowd) but If you do make it to the beatific vision and you finally love God above all things one of two things will happen regarding your pets.

1. Your love for God will fulfill all your desires and you will not even consider them.

2. You desire your pets and of course cause you are in heaven and love God above all things then all else will be given unto you. He will give you your pets again easily as he already gave them to you once in this fallen world he can easily do it again in the Kingdom.
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So your thought is that because animals can't sin, they have no soul?
 Quoting: Shamar


Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You KNOW NOTHING. You believe it. BIG DIFFERENCE
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Bible scripts can be included and *discussed* ......

as well as extra-biblical scripts......

as well as spiritual wisdom..... aka gnosticism.
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how about some fucking logic? is that allowed in fairy tale land?

no definition of spirit. That's a fairy tale term

no definition of soul. That's one as well.


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Thanks for your inspiring wisdom!

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Hitler loved Christianity. He thought it was the most brilliant mind control scheme ever.
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Don't even spare the books.
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Animals dont have Souls. Animals cant sin or offend God or please Him. God did not die so Animals could have eternal life. Ants dont go to heaven, worms dont go to heaven and minnows dont go to heaven.

Now that being said. IF you make it to heaven and I mean IF (Road to Heaven is Narrow and Few take it, most people dont think that applies to them in the Saved protestant crowd) but If you do make it to the beatific vision and you finally love God above all things one of two things will happen regarding your pets.

1. Your love for God will fulfill all your desires and you will not even consider them.

2. You desire your pets and of course cause you are in heaven and love God above all things then all else will be given unto you. He will give you your pets again easily as he already gave them to you once in this fallen world he can easily do it again in the Kingdom.
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So your thought is that because animals can't sin, they have no soul?
 Quoting: Shamar


Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
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So your thought is that because animals can't sin, they have no soul?
 Quoting: Shamar


Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


If 'god' is omnipotent, then 'god' can see into the future and knows every decision you make.

How does free will come into an omnipotent being's plan?
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Man and woman constitution:

Spirit > You as a spiritual being life form.

Body > the host, The vessel, the horse, the car, the articulated device allowing motions and interactions, where dwells the genuine spirit whom was paired to that vessel from conception, set in motion either by the brain stimulations(slave: idle, sleepy or stonewalled dead) or by holy spiritual stimulations(master: awaken, alive)

Soul > the living experience, the memory, the track record, the livelihood account, the lifetime testimony, the flight recorder.

Animal constitution:

One body and one soul.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82923262


Why are so many focused on the form...?

Especially when they in the next breath claim its just a suit..?
 Quoting: Sol-tari


You mean reincarnation,

Can an animal read the Bible and acknowledge the Creator ?

If you reincarnate,

you would better know the creator's word and will to be worthy to reincarnate in a human host body or better, right ?

Reincarnation is a deception,

like a in Ponzi scheme there's no room for new born spirits, there would be already zillions of old spirits craving for a new host body or yet already dwelling in some of those living host bodies walking the Earth.
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Eh. Talking more of evolution then reincarnation.

I know that will go against the bible... but I don't think people would have been locked out of heaven prior to it being written.
Keep in mind, Jesus challenged the bible of the time. Denounced the priests, questioned them, wandered into the desert when he found their answers lacking.
May those who follow his words, follow in his footsteps.

As for the last... have you considered there's other methods of existence then just in the physical level we see in front of us? Ascending choirs of angels and the like.
I mean, you have clearly... you mention the bible, which states sitting next to God... in other "places"

Anywho...food for thought
 Quoting: Sol-tari


Yes i did,

I gave a testimony of what was revealed to me thru the spirit by the Holy Spirit, to give a glimpse to those here willing to uncover the truth and live by the truth.

The thread was wiped out, not the first time,

see,

once you're awaken and in connection with God for real, not by delusion or whatever self subjective BS, truly by the Holy Spirit, you're a great threat to the other side, i'll stop here, or i would be banned or the content would be deleted.

I just hope you'll make it too, because we're close to the end, by the way we should yet see also the animals feel it aswell manifesting thru uncommon ways or just by dying off quickly.
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So your thought is that because animals can't sin, they have no soul?
 Quoting: Shamar


Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


actually your jesus book says 'LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE'

but if it said 'god's' image then I guess 'god' looks like a hairless ape.

WAKE UP SLEEPERS
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Animals have souls/spirits, but are not capable of living eternally in the spirit world as humans are. Humans were developed as an advanced species purposely so they would be capable of more complex thought processes and experiences in physical life that help develop their inborn souls to have enough substance to continue to exist and to learn and grow after death.
Yes, pets are found in the afterlife, but they will not live forever as we do.
Whether their soul substance is recycled and reused or whether they eventually dissipate I don’t know.
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Is this something you "believe" or something you *know* ??
 Quoting: Shamar


It’s what I currently believe or think is true, based on readings in the Ra material and the Oahspe bible. Sorry I should have added that reference.
I used to believe all animals lived forever in their own animal spirit realms based on a misinterpretation of something I had read but changed my mind.
All subject to change if something else I ‘learn’ makes more sense to me than what I currently believe. I can only believe in what makes sense to me at this point in my development.

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Animals have souls/spirits, but are not capable of living eternally in the spirit world as humans are. Humans were developed as an advanced species purposely so they would be capable of more complex thought processes and experiences in physical life that help develop their inborn souls to have enough substance to continue to exist and to learn and grow after death.
Yes, pets are found in the afterlife, but they will not live forever as we do.
Whether their soul substance is recycled and reused or whether they eventually dissipate I don’t know.
 Quoting: 936432979


Is this something you "believe" or something you *know* ??
 Quoting: Shamar


It’s what I currently believe or think is true, based on readings in the Ra material and the Oahspe bible. Sorry I should have added that reference.
I used to believe all animals lived forever in their own animal spirit realms based on a misinterpretation of something I had read but changed my mind.
All subject to change if something else I ‘learn’ makes more sense to me than what I currently believe. I can only believe in what makes sense to me at that point in my development.
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ahh yes. The MIGHTY FLEA KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

PRAISE BE TO THE PARASITES!
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Animals have souls/spirits, but are not capable of living eternally in the spirit world as humans are. Humans were developed as an advanced species purposely so they would be capable of more complex thought processes and experiences in physical life that help develop their inborn souls to have enough substance to continue to exist and to learn and grow after death.
Yes, pets are found in the afterlife, but they will not live forever as we do.
Whether their soul substance is recycled and reused or whether they eventually dissipate I don’t know.
 Quoting: 936432979


Is this something you "believe" or something you *know* ??
 Quoting: Shamar


It’s what I currently believe or think is true, based on readings in the Ra material and the Oahspe bible. Sorry I should have added that reference.
I used to believe all animals lived forever in their own animal spirit realms based on a misinterpretation of something I had read but changed my mind.
All subject to change if something else I ‘learn’ makes more sense to me than what I currently believe. I can only believe in what makes sense to me at that point in my development.
 Quoting: 936432979


ahh yes. The MIGHTY FLEA KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

PRAISE BE TO THE PARASITES!
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you have to include all living things. they're all as important as all the other living organisms in the Animal Kingdom (which humans are in taxonomy classified as being bipedal great apes-just like Bonobos)
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Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


If 'god' is omnipotent, then 'god' can see into the future and knows every decision you make.

How does free will come into an omnipotent being's plan?
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God is omnipotent yes. And he knows what his plan for your life would have been if you followed his will and he continues to modify that plan as you live in accordance to your sinful decisions. When you die God will show you what he had planned for your life and how you defeated those plans through your own free will. Also there is no future with God he is the author of time and not subject to it. All things are the eternal present.
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Why are so many focused on the form...?

Especially when they in the next breath claim its just a suit..?
 Quoting: Sol-tari


You mean reincarnation,

Can an animal read the Bible and acknowledge the Creator ?

If you reincarnate,

you would better know the creator's word and will to be worthy to reincarnate in a human host body or better, right ?

Reincarnation is a deception,

like a in Ponzi scheme there's no room for new born spirits, there would be already zillions of old spirits craving for a new host body or yet already dwelling in some of those living host bodies walking the Earth.
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Eh. Talking more of evolution then reincarnation.

I know that will go against the bible... but I don't think people would have been locked out of heaven prior to it being written.
Keep in mind, Jesus challenged the bible of the time. Denounced the priests, questioned them, wandered into the desert when he found their answers lacking.
May those who follow his words, follow in his footsteps.

As for the last... have you considered there's other methods of existence then just in the physical level we see in front of us? Ascending choirs of angels and the like.
I mean, you have clearly... you mention the bible, which states sitting next to God... in other "places"

Anywho...food for thought
 Quoting: Sol-tari


Yes i did,

I gave a testimony of what was revealed to me thru the spirit by the Holy Spirit, to give a glimpse to those here willing to uncover the truth and live by the truth.

The thread was wiped out, not the first time,

see,

once you're awaken and in connection with God for real, not by delusion or whatever self subjective BS, truly by the Holy Spirit, you're a great threat to the other side, i'll stop here, or i would be banned or the content would be deleted.

I just hope you'll make it too, because we're close to the end, by the way we should yet see also the animals feel it aswell manifesting thru uncommon ways or just by dying off quickly.
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And may differ again in the future
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So your thought is that because animals can't sin, they have no soul?
 Quoting: Shamar


Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You KNOW NOTHING. You believe it. BIG DIFFERENCE
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79831253


How do you know what I know?
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami

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Animal follow first their instinct made by the Creator and integrated to their host body, the brain is the key feature.

The brain is a fantastic organic super computer that can be manipulated, formatted, formed or left alone wild learning from the contextual it is living in,

therefore we see dolphins or monkeys performing tasks tremendously well, but it is nothing more than a brain showing great potential to perform unnatural tasks and performances.

Regarding emotions, you give love to a wild animal it won't necessary hang around you forever and understand your loving intentions, at least it would perceive your presence as natural by your willingness to not disturb the natural course.

A domesticated pet, fed, protected and groomed by humans from its early days, would enjoy receiving your love, because it's good, caring sweet and peaceful, but if you beat it and make it suffer it would make the difference between a friendly and the unfriendly.
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Re the bolded part... do you find humans to react differently in the same circumstances?
 Quoting: Shamar


Yes, because they've been led far away from God in many ways overtime, therefore they live by the flesh, unconsciously, unware that they are kept in that state, to become manageable to serve those unwilling to see them to spiritually awaken.

If your legacy was kept captive in dark caves for centuries or even more longer, your offspring dwelling in those same kind of caves one thousand years away in time, would claim there's no other decent way but to live in a dark a cave, everything else wouldn't make sense or be accepted, unless there's a book somewhere lost in the dirt, that testifies in the beginning their father was thriving under sun walking a beautiful made planet.
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Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


If 'god' is omnipotent, then 'god' can see into the future and knows every decision you make.

How does free will come into an omnipotent being's plan?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79831253


God is omnipotent yes. And he knows what his plan for your life would have been if you followed his will and he continues to modify that plan as you live in accordance to your sinful decisions. When you die God will show you what he had planned for your life and how you defeated those plans through your own free will. Also there is no future with God he is the author of time and not subject to it. All things are the eternal present.
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He? So that means he has a dick.
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Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You KNOW NOTHING. You believe it. BIG DIFFERENCE
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How do you know what I know?
 Quoting: Shamar


basic socratic logic
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Animal follow first their instinct made by the Creator and integrated to their host body, the brain is the key feature.

The brain is a fantastic organic super computer that can be manipulated, formatted, formed or left alone wild learning from the contextual it is living in,

therefore we see dolphins or monkeys performing tasks tremendously well, but it is nothing more than a brain showing great potential to perform unnatural tasks and performances.

Regarding emotions, you give love to a wild animal it won't necessary hang around you forever and understand your loving intentions, at least it would perceive your presence as natural by your willingness to not disturb the natural course.

A domesticated pet, fed, protected and groomed by humans from its early days, would enjoy receiving your love, because it's good, caring sweet and peaceful, but if you beat it and make it suffer it would make the difference between a friendly and the unfriendly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82923262


Re the bolded part... do you find humans to react differently in the same circumstances?
 Quoting: Shamar


Yes, because they've been led far away from God in many ways overtime, therefore they live by the flesh, unconsciously, unware that they are kept in that state, to become manageable to serve those unwilling to see them to spiritually awaken.

If your legacy was kept captive in dark caves for centuries or even more longer, your offspring dwelling in those same kind of caves one thousand years away in time, would claim there's no other decent way but to live in a dark a cave, everything else wouldn't make sense or be accepted, unless there's a book somewhere lost in the dirt, that testifies in the beginning their father was thriving under sun walking a beautiful made planet.
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Head in the clouds vs 'down to earth.'

Conmen wanting your cash and sex made up religion you idiots.
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Dogs will be in heaven, you can not trust Caucasians when it comes to the bible because the bible is Black History.( not a hate comment )
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So your thought is that because animals can't sin, they have no soul?
 Quoting: Shamar


Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714

Before we can ever agree on anything in this thread, we'll have to agree on what soul *IS*

Our Creator is a soul. A soul is sentience, far more than *will" ....... The soul is the seat of consciousness. Awareness. The soul is the bridge to the eternal spirit.

The mind, or ego, has free will. If/when the mind/ego rules the heart/consciousness/soul ...... then it can choose that what is detrimental to the eternal state of our soul.

When the heart rules, the opposite path will be taken.

Animals are sentient beings. Animals have emotions, they have feelings, they react to negative situations to that which is for their benefit (free will) .....

God is soul. It is a sentient entity. It has emotions, feelings.

Consciousness exists on various level, from the highest level that of Creator, to the lowest level of creation, whatever that is. Rocks.

People are well aware that crystals are very sentient, conscious beings.

Anyone who has looked into an animal's eyes, knows it is a soulful being.
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Ecclesiastes 3: 19. For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? - Bible Offline
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Indeed, the spirit, or animating life force, of a dead animal goes down, possibly into a sort of animal oversoul, or undifferentiated spirit energy, while the spirit that God has provided to people goes up, towards God, at their death.

The following verse Makes this clear:

“Remember Him before the silver cord is snapped and the golden bowl is crushed, before the pitcher is shattered at the spring and the wheel is broken at the well, before the dust returns to the ground from which it came and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” — Ecc.12:6-7

Man’s body returns to the dust, but his spirit, his essence and character, returns to God for safekeeping until one of the two Resurrections occurs, at which time they will be restored into a resurrected body, either physical or spiritual. Animal spirits do not return to God, but are recycled into other animals being born.

This verse also reinforces the fact that when people die, whether Christian or not, they are effectively in a deep, dreamless sleep state, totally unconscious until they are resurrected. The spirit without a body is much like an early computer that ran solely from a floppy drive - the computer may break and stop working, i.e., die, but remove the floppy disc, build a new computer, insert the old disc and it “lives” again, in a new incarnation.
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Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You KNOW NOTHING. You believe it. BIG DIFFERENCE
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79831253


How do you know what I know?
 Quoting: Shamar


basic socratic logic
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hahahaaaaaaaaaa

alrighty then.
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Animal follow first their instinct made by the Creator and integrated to their host body, the brain is the key feature.

The brain is a fantastic organic super computer that can be manipulated, formatted, formed or left alone wild learning from the contextual it is living in,

therefore we see dolphins or monkeys performing tasks tremendously well, but it is nothing more than a brain showing great potential to perform unnatural tasks and performances.

Regarding emotions, you give love to a wild animal it won't necessary hang around you forever and understand your loving intentions, at least it would perceive your presence as natural by your willingness to not disturb the natural course.

A domesticated pet, fed, protected and groomed by humans from its early days, would enjoy receiving your love, because it's good, caring sweet and peaceful, but if you beat it and make it suffer it would make the difference between a friendly and the unfriendly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82923262


Re the bolded part... do you find humans to react differently in the same circumstances?
 Quoting: Shamar


Yes, because they've been led far away from God in many ways overtime, therefore they live by the flesh, unconsciously, unware that they are kept in that state, to become manageable to serve those unwilling to see them to spiritually awaken.

If your legacy was kept captive in dark caves for centuries or even more longer, your offspring dwelling in those same kind of caves one thousand years away in time, would claim there's no other decent way but to live in a dark a cave, everything else wouldn't make sense or be accepted, unless there's a book somewhere lost in the dirt, that testifies in the beginning their father was thriving under sun walking a beautiful made planet.
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I'm gonna go with what another poster said .......

you're talking more "evolution" than you're talking about soul.

Not that I fully believe in evolution as its presented.
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Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714


Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
 Quoting: Shamar


You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
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Before we can ever agree on anything in this thread, we'll have to agree on what soul *IS*

Our Creator is a soul. A soul is sentience, far more than *will" ....... The soul is the seat of consciousness. Awareness. The soul is the bridge to the eternal spirit.

The mind, or ego, has free will. If/when the mind/ego rules the heart/consciousness/soul ...... then it can choose that what is detrimental to the eternal state of our soul.

When the heart rules, the opposite path will be taken.

Animals are sentient beings. Animals have emotions, they have feelings, they react to negative situations to that which is for their benefit (free will) .....

God is soul. It is a sentient entity. It has emotions, feelings.

Consciousness exists on various level, from the highest level that of Creator, to the lowest level of creation, whatever that is. Rocks.

People are well aware that crystals are very sentient, conscious beings.

Anyone who has looked into an animal's eyes, knows it is a soulful being.
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The word “soul” in Scripture is the He-broo word naphesh, which simply means living being. Nowhere in the Bible is the phrase “immortal soul” to be found.
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Correct. God made man in his image and likeness. That is our souls.
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Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
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You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
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If 'god' is omnipotent, then 'god' can see into the future and knows every decision you make.

How does free will come into an omnipotent being's plan?
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God is hugely misunderstood here.. it is not a big boss in the sky
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Ok, well your definition of soul is vastly different from my knowing. But that's ok! We're all entitled to an opinion.
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You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79748714

Before we can ever agree on anything in this thread, we'll have to agree on what soul *IS*

Our Creator is a soul. A soul is sentience, far more than *will" ....... The soul is the seat of consciousness. Awareness. The soul is the bridge to the eternal spirit.

The mind, or ego, has free will. If/when the mind/ego rules the heart/consciousness/soul ...... then it can choose that what is detrimental to the eternal state of our soul.

When the heart rules, the opposite path will be taken.

Animals are sentient beings. Animals have emotions, they have feelings, they react to negative situations to that which is for their benefit (free will) .....

God is soul. It is a sentient entity. It has emotions, feelings.

Consciousness exists on various level, from the highest level that of Creator, to the lowest level of creation, whatever that is. Rocks.

People are well aware that crystals are very sentient, conscious beings.

Anyone who has looked into an animal's eyes, knows it is a soulful being.
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The word “soul” in Scripture is the He-broo word naphesh, which simply means living being. Nowhere in the Bible is the phrase “immortal soul” to be found.
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Well, if God is soul, and we are in his image, are you implying that God is not immortal?
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I have felt from a distance when two of my dogs have died (separate occasions). And it feels EXACTLY the same when humans die.

This incredibly empty feeling inside, like having had a massive orgasm but without any of the positive feelings related to it. A soul has left us, and it leaves an empty space for a while.
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Animals are learning too. What dictates one certain animal be a dog and the other be an insect. Some animals are more intelligent than others as well. The intelligence spectrum varies across all animals.

In the end all things come from a source, scientists and spiritualists both searching for the same source whatever it is. And from that source, all things must return to the source to reattain the true essence.
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You do realize "scripture" are just words from a fairy tale?
"the soul" is just sentience. Once an animal is self aware, it starts to develop an awareness of its existance, the more intelligent the animal the more "soul" it has. Ever see an injured Bear? A cow standing in line smelling the slaughterhouse? The dog watching his buddy that just got hit by a car?
Meanwhile compare that to some of the shit certain groups of "human" do to each other and laugh.....and tell me we have a soul and they do not.
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^^^THIS^^^
Most of the people posting here do NOT have a soul, especially the christards: they are some of the lowest forms of human life. They hate Nature because it's bigger than they are.
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You have a soul because you have free will. You can chose to obey God or reject and offend him. Animals do not have free will. A cat is a cat, a tree is a tree, a whale is a whale.
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Before we can ever agree on anything in this thread, we'll have to agree on what soul *IS*

Our Creator is a soul. A soul is sentience, far more than *will" ....... The soul is the seat of consciousness. Awareness. The soul is the bridge to the eternal spirit.

The mind, or ego, has free will. If/when the mind/ego rules the heart/consciousness/soul ...... then it can choose that what is detrimental to the eternal state of our soul.

When the heart rules, the opposite path will be taken.

Animals are sentient beings. Animals have emotions, they have feelings, they react to negative situations to that which is for their benefit (free will) .....

God is soul. It is a sentient entity. It has emotions, feelings.

Consciousness exists on various level, from the highest level that of Creator, to the lowest level of creation, whatever that is. Rocks.

People are well aware that crystals are very sentient, conscious beings.

Anyone who has looked into an animal's eyes, knows it is a soulful being.
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The word “soul” in Scripture is the He-broo word naphesh, which simply means living being. Nowhere in the Bible is the phrase “immortal soul” to be found.
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Well, if God is soul, and we are in his image, are you implying that God is not immortal?
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God is God, not an animated, earthly living flesh and blood being, which is what the word naphesh means. It does not mean God, who is living and animated, but not flesh and blood.

But you knew this.

Gnostics love to twist words around, just as their spiritual father the devil does.

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Animal follow first their instinct made by the Creator and integrated to their host body, the brain is the key feature.

The brain is a fantastic organic super computer that can be manipulated, formatted, formed or left alone wild learning from the contextual it is living in,

therefore we see dolphins or monkeys performing tasks tremendously well, but it is nothing more than a brain showing great potential to perform unnatural tasks and performances.

Regarding emotions, you give love to a wild animal it won't necessary hang around you forever and understand your loving intentions, at least it would perceive your presence as natural by your willingness to not disturb the natural course.

A domesticated pet, fed, protected and groomed by humans from its early days, would enjoy receiving your love, because it's good, caring sweet and peaceful, but if you beat it and make it suffer it would make the difference between a friendly and the unfriendly.
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Re the bolded part... do you find humans to react differently in the same circumstances?
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Yes, because they've been led far away from God in many ways overtime, therefore they live by the flesh, unconsciously, unware that they are kept in that state, to become manageable to serve those unwilling to see them to spiritually awaken.

If your legacy was kept captive in dark caves for centuries or even more longer, your offspring dwelling in those same kind of caves one thousand years away in time, would claim there's no other decent way but to live in a dark a cave, everything else wouldn't make sense or be accepted, unless there's a book somewhere lost in the dirt, that testifies in the beginning their father was thriving under sun walking a beautiful made planet.
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I'm gonna go with what another poster said .......

you're talking more "evolution" than you're talking about soul.

Not that I fully believe in evolution as its presented.
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Well,

it means man has to free himself from the Host body system(the cave) to awaken spiritually, the genuine way to do it is revealed in the Word of God, that was willingly kept captive then later released, but twisted in many ways by the same evil spirits thru many vessels, so that many would mock it and discard it, missing the Holy Spirit given freely by God by sincere repentance, to counter that state of affairs, to actually reveal the disciples, the young saints maturing, what is the truth and what is not, super naturally thru the spirit.





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