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Hebrews 12:2 Embellishes Jesus as "Author" - Yet the Plan for Salvation is Father God's - Bible Study

 
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Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.

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Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.

pope2
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Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
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Joel 2:32
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
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1 John 5:20 Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Read in context, you see what you want to see. OUT OF CONTEXT
 Quoting: quick

Out of context?

Pre-school grammar says Jesus is the True God based on this verse.
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Utter NONSENSE.

Your 'pre-school grammer' overlooks the

'him' and 'his SON'. Who is the 'him'???

The Father - the True God.

KJV 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come,

and hath given us an understanding,

that we may know him that is true,

and we are in him that is true,

even in his Son Jesus Christ.

This is the true God, and eternal life.


....

John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


....

Other translations of 1 John 5:20...

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Utter NONSENSE.

Your 'pre-school grammer' overlooks the
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Geneva Study Bible
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true {m} God, and eternal life.
(m) The divinity of Christ is most clearly proved by this passage.

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1 John 5:20 Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Read in context, you see what you want to see. OUT OF CONTEXT
 Quoting: quick

Out of context?

Pre-school grammar says Jesus is the True God based on this verse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75914919

Utter NONSENSE.

Your 'pre-school grammer' overlooks the

'him' and 'his SON'. Who is the 'him'???
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD



2Timothy 2:14
... charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but the subverting of the hearers.

1Timothy 6:4
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words ....

Colossians 2:4
... lest any man should beguile you with enticing words

Ultimately, your word dispute is:

2Timothy 2:16
But shun profane and vain babblings


To stay on subject for OP-

2Peter 2:3 speaks of these Endtimes 'New Age' preachers who covet your dollars:
'And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you'
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Jesus is God.

You can't make me think, believe or say otherwise.

.
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Many, most, do not believe Jesus is God.

Believers do.
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You can't make me not believe in Jesus.
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You can't tell me anything about Father God.

All you do is deny that Jesus is God
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I know how much you hate the four posts
so here, have them all in one.


Jesus is God.

You can't make me think, believe or say otherwise.

Many, most, do not believe Jesus is God.

Believers do.

You can't make me not believe in Jesus.

You can't tell me anything about Father God.

All you do is deny that Jesus is God.

Jesus is The Lord God.

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You can't make me not believe in Jesus.
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You don't believe in Jesus though, Joe; you believe in a false Jesus YOU HAVE BEEN TRICKED INTO BELIEVING in called "the 2nd person of the trinity".
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Many, most, do not believe Jesus is God.

Believers do.
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Jesus is not a trinity.
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Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.

pope2
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Jesus saved a people. The God of Israel saved them. How many persons is Jesus?
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2 Peter 1:1
our God and Savior Jesus Christ


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How many persons?
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Don't bother with John 20:28 and Thomas - see what John says in 20:31. NO 'agreement' with what Thomas said.
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John 20:28 does not disagree with John 20:31.
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Hogwash.

How is it you folks mention John 20:28 but ignore what John states in verse 31..."Son of God".

The passage is about how Thomas refused to believe that the other Apostles had seen the "resurrected" Jesus.
And notice what John states in verse 31.

John 20

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;

31 but these are written that you may believe

that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,


and that believing you may have life in His name.

IF John and others TRULY thought that 'Jesus is God'...

...then WHY doesn't he SAY so in verse 31???

INSTEAD...he says "the Christ - the SON OF God".


Thomas says Jesus is "my God". NOT "Jesus IS God".
Jesus NEVER says "I am God".
NONE of the Apostles say "Jesus is God".

...
On top of that, you should notice that IF John and OTHER truly thought that "Jesus is God"...

...then John would have stated such in verse 20:31.

He didn't.

Instead, John states "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,
".
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Thomas says Jesus is "my God". NOT "Jesus IS God".
NONE of the Apostles say "Jesus is God".
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Romans 9:5
the Messiah, who is God over all

2 Peter 1:1
our God and Savior Jesus Christ

1 John 5:20
Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.

John 20:28
Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God.

Stop lying..

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Joel 2:32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;

Jesus or Jehovah?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75914919

Jehovah.

This is before Father God SENT Jesus - the Lamb - the SON OF God.

Joel 2:32 has 'the LORD' 3 tmes. See this

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ALL 3 are Jehovah - Strong's entry...

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Joel 2:32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;

Jesus or Jehovah?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75914919

Jehovah.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


FALSE.

Paul applies the Name JESUS to this verse in Romans 10:13.

Jesus is the ONLY Name given by which we can be saved, NOT Jahovah.

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

This is before Father God SENT Jesus - the Lamb - the SON OF God.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


No, it's not; it's prophecy which was to be fulfilled in the future. It's about JESUS.

You're WRONG.
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Believing that Jesus is the Son of God, who was sent by the Father, is absolutely necessary for Salvation.
Jesus said "follow me - I am the way", which leads us to the destination...
...eternal life in His Father's Kingdom.

Yet - Father God is the Author of Salvation - not Jesus.
Scripture proves this verse to be an embellishment of Jesus.

The writer of Yebrews 12 claims Jesus is "the author" of "the faith" / salvation.

KJV Ybrews 12:2 - Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Other translations...

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The writer of the book clearly ignores these things.

1. Father God spoke many times to the prophets about bringing the gentiles "back into Belief" in Him.
He also spoke of Salvation and that He would "send someone" from the "line of David".

2. Jesus said He was SENT by the Father 46 times.
He also states that the Father TOLD Him what to say and that He does ONLY the Father's Will.

John 12:49-50


49 For I have not spoken of myself;
but the Father which sent me,

he gave me a commandment, what I should say,
and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore,
even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.



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Thread: ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study
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you are a fallen light and a Antichrist
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Jesus is the arm of the Lord. The Power of God. God's arm/hand/finger, is his power.
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Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake

unto them, saying, All

power is given unto me in heaven

and in earth.


.....

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him,

Thou hast said: nevertheless I

say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the

Son of man sitting on the right hand

of power,
and coming in the clouds of

heaven.


Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I

am: and ye shall see the Son of man

sitting on the right hand

of power,
and coming in the

clouds of heaven.

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the

Son of man sit on the right

hand of the power of God.


...

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said

unto them, Ye do err, not

knowing the scriptures, nor the power

of God.


Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto

them, Do ye not therefore err,

because ye know not the scriptures,

neither the power of God?


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Who SENT Jesus?
Who SENDS the Holy Spirit?
Who WILL SEND Jesus in the End Times?
Who's WILL does Jesus do?
Who's WILL does the Holy Spirit do?

The Father's. ALL those take both Power

and Authority.

Jesus mentions "the power of God" - NOT

"my power"

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Jehovah.
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This is before Father God SENT Jesus - the Lamb - the SON OF God.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

You're WRONG.
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Dumb ass.

Thread: God's NAME - Yehovah / Yahweh Appearing on Eastern Wall of the Temple Mount

Thread: The Importance of Father God's Name in the Hebrews Language - in the Future - It is Now
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Timelines, OP….
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Jesus is the arm of the Lord. The Power of God. God's arm/hand/finger, is his power.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75914919


Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake
unto them, saying, All
power is given unto me in heaven
and in earth.

 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Revelation 4:11
You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.
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What's the only name given by which we must be saved?

hmm
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2 Peter 1:1
our God and Savior Jesus Christ


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Believing that Jesus is the Son of God, who was sent by the Father, is absolutely necessary for Salvation.
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OP your belief is a delusion. There is no proof of God, or salvation, or that Jesus was real, or sin, or even afterlife.

No scientist can prove the soul.

No scientist can prove sin.

No scientist can prove afterlife.

There is no proof of any of those things you believe, that is why they are beliefs, not science facts.

Thus OP you are severely deluded, and possibly insane, and just another religious nutcase on GLP.

And if the things you believe were real, they would be self evident and thus you would not have to argue about them on some forum.
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This is before Father God SENT Jesus - the Lamb - the SON OF God.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

No, it's not; it's prophecy which was to be fulfilled in the future. It's about JESUS.
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Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein:

for the Lord God Almighty <<<< Father God

and the Lamb <<<< Jesus

are the temple of it.


God isn't a 'Lamb'.
I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.





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