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One Person Wrote All Four Gospels

 
John Titor
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One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Please discuss this with me.

I'm suggesting this but I have not worked out the puzzle for you.

Josephus Son of Matthew
wrote
Matthew
Mark - because that is one of the names of his friend Lucius
Luke - to honor his friend Lucius Plutarchus, Moralia is in the NT
John - because the story of John the Zealot and Rebel is similar to his own. They were both imprisoned slaves and later agents of Rome

Paul - because Josephus knew Apollonius and used Life of a Ghost in the NT.

Discuss?
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Discuss?
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
No.

because...Rashomon.
Getz

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10/29/2013 09:20 AM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
No, I don't think so.

Matthew and Luke disagree about Jesus's genealogy from him back to David. Also, there are discrepancies among the apostles about Jesus's trial, when the Last Supper occurred, and even his last words on the cross.

If someone had intended to artificially create a new religion, it wouldn't make sense to write four separate books that describe the same thing without agreeing on major details. The Muslims do pretty well with one, after all.
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10/29/2013 09:23 AM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Narratives:

The gospel according to Matthew was written by Matthew the tax collector.
The gospel according to Mark was written by John-Mark.
The gospel according to Luke was written by Luke the Physician.
The gospel according to John was written by John the disciple that Jesus loved.
The Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke the Physician


[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

hope this helps
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10/29/2013 09:24 AM
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Narratives:

The gospel according to Matthew was written by Matthew the tax collector.
The gospel according to Mark was written by John-Mark.
The gospel according to Luke was written by Luke the Physician.
The gospel according to John was written by John the disciple that Jesus loved.
The Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke the Physician


[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

hope this helps
 Quoting: Goofy for God


BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF EACH AUTHOR:

[link to godisforus.com]
Anonymous Coward
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10/29/2013 09:28 AM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Greek literacy rate was less than 1% during the time the gospels where written
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10/29/2013 09:30 AM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
pope = Council of Nicaea
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
No, I don't think so.

Matthew and Luke disagree about Jesus's genealogy from him back to David. Also, there are discrepancies among the apostles about Jesus's trial, when the Last Supper occurred, and even his last words on the cross.

If someone had intended to artificially create a new religion, it wouldn't make sense to write four separate books that describe the same thing without agreeing on major details. The Muslims do pretty well with one, after all.
 Quoting: Getz


Josephus has been known to knowingly write inconsistencies as logic puzzles.
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Narratives:

The gospel according to Matthew was written by Matthew the tax collector.
The gospel according to Mark was written by John-Mark.
The gospel according to Luke was written by Luke the Physician.
The gospel according to John was written by John the disciple that Jesus loved.
The Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke the Physician


[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

hope this helps
 Quoting: Goofy for God


Lucius and Apollonius are known to have been doctors.
Josephus might have been a doctor.
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Greek literacy rate was less than 1% during the time the gospels where written
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All the more reason to believe Josephus and a few others could have written th NT. Josephus knew Greek, Aramaic and Roman. Why? He was an interpreter for Emperor Titus. And Josephus wrote in Greek.
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Josephus writes about John as being the rebel that Titus let live. Simon was condemned to die before the Emperor in Rome.
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
I didn't get a reply...Rashomon
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10/29/2013 10:26 AM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
What does it matter, any of it, God, No God, what its based on, what God really.

The thing that matters is it is what has brought us here to now, today, billions believe and billions more affected by it daily. It is the system we know.


Its what we choose to do with it, how can we as humans use it to grow, to advance ourselves as a species. Do we wake up to the sow and reap slave system we live in, which is all consuming, systematic annihilation, or do we step out from this nightmarish loop and chart a new unique course for humanity.
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Why did he write four versions?
Why didn't he include one complete version in with his Jewish history?
Are you implying Saul//Paul was based on the life of Apollonius? Why wasn't it written as the accurate life history of Apollonius instead of changing it to Paul and changing other details as well? Apollonius lived to a very old age and was not a Christian for example.
What was Josephus's motive or reason for not sticking to true names and details?
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10/29/2013 10:45 AM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
OP,
Here's a book you might want to delve into in your research if you haven't already done so.
Antiquity Unveiled
[link to archive.org (secure)]
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10/29/2013 12:44 PM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Why did he write four versions?
Why didn't he include one complete version in with his Jewish history?
Are you implying Saul//Paul was based on the life of Apollonius? Why wasn't it written as the accurate life history of Apollonius instead of changing it to Paul and changing other details as well? Apollonius lived to a very old age and was not a Christian for example.
What was Josephus's motive or reason for not sticking to true names and details?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17148980


Jewish writers as well as Greek and Roman orators excelled in teaching philosophy, rationalism and parallelism. Atwill calls it typology. The Chinese called it kanji. The Hebrews called is gematria. The purpose? To tell the wealthy, educated and rational something while telling the poor, lazy and gullible something different. To mock the stupid and make the stupid think they are complemented.

Josephus was a rich, educated prat. He was find of playing intellectual jokes. Titus appreciated that. But Josephus in creating a Jewish faith that worshipped Titus as the New Covenant messiah -- that was a master stroke. A stroke and joke that lasted 2000 years until we figured it out.
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
Interesting.
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10/29/2013 04:54 PM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
wilford brimley wrote mark

the others are authentic however
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10/29/2013 05:05 PM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
We get it. You read Atwill's book and watched the National Geographic documentary "Rivals of Jesus."
[link to channel.nationalgeographic.com]

You believe in that theory - fine. That, however, does not make it correct. Stop acting as if it is and that, in your made-up future, it is proven as fact.

Just so you're aware, Atwill is not the only one to have written a book describing an alternate explanation of the Gospels. There are plenty of others, but I won't bother describing them in any detail. Anyone with an internet connection may research the topic in full.

Now on to the crux of the matter. You've already claimed on Paranormalis that you're simply role-playing John Titor for the lulz. Fuck off or stop pretending if you actually care anything for the real story behind Titor.

You're polluting the internet with your facade and inhibiting others in their quest for answers. Stop acting like what you're predicting here is some information from the future because, by your own admission, it is not.

That being said, predict all you wish; but quit pretending you're a John Titor from the future. If you have any decency and wish to maintain predictions, then I respectfully ask that you leave the name John Titor out of it and stop misleading others.
Anonymous Coward
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10/29/2013 10:13 PM
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Re: One Person Wrote All Four Gospels
We get it. You read Atwill's book and watched the National Geographic documentary "Rivals of Jesus."
[link to channel.nationalgeographic.com]

You believe in that theory - fine. That, however, does not make it correct. Stop acting as if it is and that, in your made-up future, it is proven as fact.

Just so you're aware, Atwill is not the only one to have written a book describing an alternate explanation of the Gospels. There are plenty of others, but I won't bother describing them in any detail. Anyone with an internet connection may research the topic in full.

Now on to the crux of the matter. You've already claimed on Paranormalis that you're simply role-playing John Titor for the lulz. Fuck off or stop pretending if you actually care anything for the real story behind Titor.

You're polluting the internet with your facade and inhibiting others in their quest for answers. Stop acting like what you're predicting here is some information from the future because, by your own admission, it is not.

That being said, predict all you wish; but quit pretending you're a John Titor from the future. If you have any decency and wish to maintain predictions, then I respectfully ask that you leave the name John Titor out of it and stop misleading others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30324067


Well you're no childish sheep, to be sure.But I assure you in the name of Jesus Christ, Emperor of Rome, I AM J.T.





GLP