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False memories implanted in mice.

 
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one more thing according to mainstream science we evolved from chimps, evolution, a theory .

according to that brain neuron chart, humans have 86 billion
chimps have 28 billion.....


am i missing something here.....58 billion neurons difference overnight?

lol
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Can we also say..."genetic manipulation?"
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ya really.

58 billion neurons difference in what a few hundred millions years according to them..\

damn those early chimps must have came across some magical banana bush or some miracle water...
 Quoting: veracious common sense


And you've also got to understand that we didn't jump straight from chimps to humans, there were several in between stages. Chimpanzees are the closest living evolutionary ancestors to us, but our actual closest "cousins" are all dead for some reason. And are direct ancestor is unknown, the so called "missing link". This is partly why I am under the impression that our evolution was "helped along" by some outside force, and the previous "versions" of us were intentionally wiped out. Whether it was extraterrestrial or extra-dimensional or divine influence, I'm not sure.
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Perhaps people with scizoeffective disorders can be made to see 'demons' instead of people?
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one more thing according to mainstream science we evolved from chimps, evolution, a theory .

according to that brain neuron chart, humans have 86 billion
chimps have 28 billion.....


am i missing something here.....58 billion neurons difference overnight?

lol
 Quoting: veracious common sense


Can we also say..."genetic manipulation?"
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)


ya really.

58 billion neurons difference in what a few hundred millions years according to them..\

damn those early chimps must have came across some magical banana bush or some miracle water...
 Quoting: veracious common sense


And you've also got to understand that we didn't jump straight from chimps to humans, there were several in between stages. Chimpanzees are the closest living evolutionary ancestors to us, but our actual closest "cousins" are all dead for some reason. And are direct ancestor is unknown, the so called "missing link". This is partly why I am under the impression that our evolution was "helped along" by some outside force, and the previous "versions" of us were intentionally wiped out. Whether it was extraterrestrial or extra-dimensional or divine influence, I'm not sure.


agreed !!!
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Consider this:

Every single multicellular life form on the planet has certain things in common:

- Cold blooded
- Egg laying
- Scales or feathers (which are a genetic derivative of scales)
- Sideways pointed eyes

EXCEPT mammals...

- warm blooded
- live birthing
- fur and skin
- forward pointed eyes

...which suddenly pop up 65 million years ago out of nowhere?
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They have been doing this for a number of years now in the form of ECT for treating severe depression and such related illness. That also comes with its own set of unpredictable results for the patients memory. Makes you wonder if doctors are just using us as guinea pigs sometimes still.
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They have been doing this for a number of years now in the form of ECT for treating severe depression and such related illness. That also comes with its own set of unpredictable results for the patients memory. Makes you wonder if doctors are just using us as guinea pigs sometimes still.
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Makes you wonder if the doctors are guinea pigs unknowingly using us as guinea pigs.
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Ok cool so does this mean memories can be inherited too???
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They have been doing this for a number of years now in the form of ECT for treating severe depression and such related illness. That also comes with its own set of unpredictable results for the patients memory. Makes you wonder if doctors are just using us as guinea pigs sometimes still.
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Makes you wonder if the doctors are guinea pigs unknowingly using us as guinea pigs.
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why wonder when we are all more or less experiments in a larger experiment of experiments.
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Ok cool so does this mean memories can be inherited too???
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Most likely, yes.
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They have been doing this for a number of years now in the form of ECT for treating severe depression and such related illness. That also comes with its own set of unpredictable results for the patients memory. Makes you wonder if doctors are just using us as guinea pigs sometimes still.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12900691


Makes you wonder if the doctors are guinea pigs unknowingly using us as guinea pigs.
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why wonder when we are all more or less experiments in a larger experiment of experiments.
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Ran by a secret organisation of evil experimental guinea pigs.. I think I am getting this conspiracy malarky now. banana2
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They have been doing this for a number of years now in the form of ECT for treating severe depression and such related illness. That also comes with its own set of unpredictable results for the patients memory. Makes you wonder if doctors are just using us as guinea pigs sometimes still.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12900691


Makes you wonder if the doctors are guinea pigs unknowingly using us as guinea pigs.
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)



why wonder when we are all more or less experiments in a larger experiment of experiments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43333846


Ran by a secret organisation of evil experimental guinea pigs.. I think I am getting this conspiracy malarky now. banana2
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if you gravitate to this forum it shows reactive implanted memories, if not they are dormant still awaiting a stronger stimuli.
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Makes you wonder if the doctors are guinea pigs unknowingly using us as guinea pigs.
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)



why wonder when we are all more or less experiments in a larger experiment of experiments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43333846


Ran by a secret organisation of evil experimental guinea pigs.. I think I am getting this conspiracy malarky now. banana2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12900691



if you gravitate to this forum it shows reactive implanted memories, if not they are dormant still awaiting a stronger stimuli.
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I will skip the beer next time and head straight for the vodka.. Thanks for the advice. :)
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AH! the 42nd post! always a brilliant one!
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:falsemem1:

"Scientists say they have, for the first time, generated a false memory in an animal by manipulating brain cells that encode that information."

>>> [link to www.cnn.com]

This news is a couple days old, but I just found out about it and had to share. Pretty creepy stuff. Also pretty cool if you're a Science Fiction/Fact nut like I am. Movies like The Matrix, Inception and Total Recall, as well as TV shows like Nikita could all have a little truth to them.

Apparently, the scientists "shocked" the mice in a particular area, and later when the mice were introduced to a similar area, they froze in fear because of the supposed shock.

Could this be proof that humans can also have false memories implanted in their brains? And if so, is it already happening? Could this be more proof of MK-Ultra's existence and methods? Certainly makes you think.

This could also explain some past life memories. I personally believe in reincarnation, but again, this makes you wonder... Can people be implanted with false memories of past lives? And can we be "inceptioned" in our dreams? Who knows...

The upside to this discovery is that it could eventually lead to a better understanding of the brain, and possibly even help us discover new ways of improving memory. The downside however is that if the wrong people with the wrong motives figure out how to implant false memories in humans (if they haven't already), it could be bad news for some. Luckily, the human brain is much more advanced than that of a mouse, so this could be irrelevant, but it still makes you wonder...


:falsemem2:
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Imagine if life is one big false memory, and in reality we are already dead.
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neet nice find OP

now just stop and think about it for a minute.
mk ultra was being perfected in the 1950-60's and on....

now this is mainstream, but its in the form of doing it to rodents. really old technology being made public 30 years later.

typical of the military industrial complex.

anyways lets get back to the rabbit hole.

JUST IMAGINE WHAT THE HAVE NOW AND ARE PERFECTING DEEP DOWN IN THOSE D.U.M.B's

wtf
 Quoting: veracious common sense


Exactly. Pretty scary thought. damned
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Dark City. :O
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Yes! Awesome movie. I just watched it on TV last night. Coincidence? Hmmm...
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falsemem1

"Scientists say they have, for the first time, generated a false memory in an animal by manipulating brain cells that encode that information."

>>> [link to www.cnn.com]

This news is a couple days old, but I just found out about it and had to share. Pretty creepy stuff. Also pretty cool if you're a Science Fiction/Fact nut like I am. Movies like The Matrix, Inception and Total Recall, as well as TV shows like Nikita could all have a little truth to them.

Apparently, the scientists "shocked" the mice in a particular area, and later when the mice were introduced to a similar area, they froze in fear because of the supposed shock.

Could this be proof that humans can also have false memories implanted in their brains? And if so, is it already happening? Could this be more proof of MK-Ultra's existence and methods? Certainly makes you think.

This could also explain some past life memories. I personally believe in reincarnation, but again, this makes you wonder... Can people be implanted with false memories of past lives? And can we be "inceptioned" in our dreams? Who knows...

The upside to this discovery is that it could eventually lead to a better understanding of the brain, and possibly even help us discover new ways of improving memory. The downside however is that if the wrong people with the wrong motives figure out how to implant false memories in humans (if they haven't already), it could be bad news for some. Luckily, the human brain is much more advanced than that of a mouse, so this could be irrelevant, but it still makes you wonder...


falsemem2
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Imagine if life is one big false memory, and in reality we are already dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41804689


It wouldn't matter either way, would it? All we can do is keep moving. And also...due to quantum indeterminency, we could be dead and dimensionally speaking we would be alive somewhere at the same time. So again...doesn't matter either way.
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I dont think this is anything new.
They have done shit like this since the 60s.

Mind altering drugs lsd and all sorts of shit were tested on people, along with implanted thoughts, even sleepers who were assassins and wouldn't know it until they heard some key word or phrase that activated them like the manchurian candidate or telefon
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Yes, they have. But it's just now becoming "public news" ;)
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Coulda sworn I left that cheese here the other day? wtf
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They can also teleport. Just not as quickly or with as much precision as the dolphins.
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That explains all the mice stuck halfway into the walls with their feet and tails hanging out...
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What if you could literally upload and download memories?

It is possible, but not here or now.
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Or is it? wink
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They have no basis for calling these "memories." What they have done is aversion conditioning. It's like asking someone to remember the last time they had a cigarette, then giving them an electric shock. The next next time the person goes to light up, he associates the shock with smoking and doesn't want to smoke so much. The scientists calling false memory creation is a stretch. You'd have to ask the mice how they experience the trigger. Scientists are so full of shit these days. The goal is to discredit memories of victims of pedophiles.
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Very good point!
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one more thing according to mainstream science we evolved from chimps, evolution, a theory .

according to that brain neuron chart, humans have 86 billion
chimps have 28 billion.....


am i missing something here.....58 billion neurons difference overnight?

lol
 Quoting: veracious common sense


Can we also say..."genetic manipulation?"
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)


ya really.

58 billion neurons difference in what a few hundred millions years according to them..\

damn those early chimps must have came across some magical banana bush or some miracle water...
 Quoting: veracious common sense


And you've also got to understand that we didn't jump straight from chimps to humans, there were several in between stages. Chimpanzees are the closest living evolutionary ancestors to us, but our actual closest "cousins" are all dead for some reason. And are direct ancestor is unknown, the so called "missing link". This is partly why I am under the impression that our evolution was "helped along" by some outside force, and the previous "versions" of us were intentionally wiped out. Whether it was extraterrestrial or extra-dimensional or divine influence, I'm not sure.
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Coulda sworn I left that cheese here the other day? wtf
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They can also teleport. Just not as quickly or with as much precision as the dolphins.
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)


That explains all the mice stuck halfway into the walls with their feet and tails hanging out...
 Quoting: Tensor


Well....they warned Tesla...he tried to stop the experiment...they gave it to the new guy...
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Perhaps people with scizoeffective disorders can be made to see 'demons' instead of people?
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They most certainly can. I think probably half of all demonic encounters have actually been dormant memories (or twisted memories) of abuse, ETC. Crazy stuff...
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Coulda sworn I left that cheese here the other day? wtf
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They can also teleport. Just not as quickly or with as much precision as the dolphins.
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)


That explains all the mice stuck halfway into the walls with their feet and tails hanging out...
 Quoting: Tensor


ahhh

thats a familiar story to many soldiers out at sea

being fused into the steel walls of the ship
"we must make the world honest before we can honestly say to the children that honesty is the best policy! "
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Perhaps people with scizoeffective disorders can be made to see 'demons' instead of people?
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They most certainly can. I think probably half of all demonic encounters have actually been dormant memories (or twisted memories) of abuse, ETC. Crazy stuff...
 Quoting: Lady Bathory


Again...can anyone say..."________ Hook?"
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falsemem1

"Scientists say they have, for the first time, generated a false memory in an animal by manipulating brain cells that encode that information."

>>> [link to www.cnn.com]

This news is a couple days old, but I just found out about it and had to share. Pretty creepy stuff. Also pretty cool if you're a Science Fiction/Fact nut like I am. Movies like The Matrix, Inception and Total Recall, as well as TV shows like Nikita could all have a little truth to them.

Apparently, the scientists "shocked" the mice in a particular area, and later when the mice were introduced to a similar area, they froze in fear because of the supposed shock.

Could this be proof that humans can also have false memories implanted in their brains? And if so, is it already happening? Could this be more proof of MK-Ultra's existence and methods? Certainly makes you think.

This could also explain some past life memories. I personally believe in reincarnation, but again, this makes you wonder... Can people be implanted with false memories of past lives? And can we be "inceptioned" in our dreams? Who knows...

The upside to this discovery is that it could eventually lead to a better understanding of the brain, and possibly even help us discover new ways of improving memory. The downside however is that if the wrong people with the wrong motives figure out how to implant false memories in humans (if they haven't already), it could be bad news for some. Luckily, the human brain is much more advanced than that of a mouse, so this could be irrelevant, but it still makes you wonder...


falsemem2
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Imagine if life is one big false memory, and in reality we are already dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41804689


I've definitely wondered that a few times. Maybe we're all in hell already... hmmm... damned
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Paycheck. Dumbest movie ever. But hey. It starts off showing this being done to mice, then they hire a human for a human trial.
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So they fried a section of the brain and call this memory imbedding?? Far from it, I hate most of these stories, they are so far fetch from what actually happened.
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Coulda sworn I left that cheese here the other day? wtf
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They can also teleport. Just not as quickly or with as much precision as the dolphins.
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)


That explains all the mice stuck halfway into the walls with their feet and tails hanging out...
 Quoting: Tensor


ahhh

thats a familiar story to many soldiers out at sea

being fused into the steel walls of the ship
 Quoting: veracious common sense


Loved that Fringe did a shout out to Project Rainbow in one of their storylines. Freakin loved Fringe.





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