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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13199824  United States04/24/2013 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Nanna-Ree
(OP) User ID: 38804977  United Kingdom04/24/2013 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com] [link to news.bbc.co.uk] [link to www.bbc.co.uk] [link to www.bbc.co.uk] Last Edited by Nanna-Ree on 04/24/2013 12:17 PM "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair… |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23829721 United States04/24/2013 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The are all contrails. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23829721 Sometimes contrails are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times, depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. To make this concept simple for you, and not confuse you with the more complex physics of SUBLIMATION, because most people who believe in chemtrails have no understanding of physics. Contrails either dissipate or last depending on mainly two main conditions at fight levels (there are more, but like I said, I will keep it simple). Temperature, and Moisture content of the atomosphere. Contrails are made of ice crystals, much like snow flakes. Why do some snow flakes melt, and some stick around? Temperature and moisture content at ground level. The SAME SCIENCE. Basically if the air at flight levels is dryer or warmer, the contrails will dissappear quickly. If the air is very cold and supersaturated with moisture, the contrails will remain and form clouds. And then you have the conditions everywhere in between. Now, when you learn how these conditions work, you will understand why you see more long lasting persistent contrails in front of weather systems. The uneducated will say "Chemtrails caused storms". Those with a basic understanding of Meteorology know the storm system created the conditions for persistent contrails out in front of the system.vv Now for some basic science of Meteorology for the chemtrail believers. When a cold front or storm system is moving in, its cold dry air, that system is like a giant bulldozer that is pushing supersaturated air up high in the atmosphere. And that is a lot of times you see long lasting contrails before up to days before storms. Sorry to ruin your thread with science. But I felt it was needed. If this is true... then why did this only start happening in the 1980's? There are many pictures of contrails lasting and forming clouds as far back as there have been commercial and high altitude military flights. You can even see them in WWII pictures and scientificaly explained in books from the 40s and 50s. Why do you think these have only started happening in the 80s? Well the US Patents started in the 80's  I see a lot of people putting a lot of faith into Patents. Just because someone Patents something isnt proof that it exists, works or is even a good idea. There are patents for a lot of stupid stuff, from the proper way to swing a swing, to mythical time machines, to silly perpetual motion machines that dont work. Using patents to base a belief on, is beyond silliness. And using a patent to form a delusion is the sign of a serious mental illness. Take a look at Patent number US RE37624 E1 from 2002. Three legged pantie hose. A rational person will just say, "that is silly." A delusional person will claim something like "Well someone must know of 3 legged aliens that are on the way" or perhaps "someone knows the evil government is spraying us an altering our genetics and we will soon have 3-legged people." See the difference? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1476279 United States04/24/2013 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1476279 United States04/24/2013 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States04/24/2013 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's you chemtards who refuse to admit you could be wrong. At least debunkers just point out that the evidence that you people present is just evidence of your ignorance about the subjects. we don't say there are no "chemtrails", we say there is no evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. You people INSIST the trails are contrails...and that those of us who disagree with you do so because we are paid to. Please, seek help. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States04/24/2013 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23829721 United States04/24/2013 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have seen a pic of inside these spray planes. They are real as u and me. There's been many people that know/have known about this for a decent time now. Possibly weather manipulation. Possibly to weaken your immune system. Possibly part of a whole other plan. Endless possibilities but either way its real. Quoting: GERT NO, you have seen a pic of what is called BALLAST TESTING in planes. Where fluid is moved from one large tank to others to test the planes ability to fly with different weight and balance. Here is the flaw in your logic. You saw a picture of a plane with tanks in its cabin+ You have a belief in chemtrails= Those must be pictures of chemtrail tanks. If you didnt jump to that delusional conclusion, you could have done a little research and discovered exactly what those tanks were and were used for. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23829721 United States04/24/2013 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The are all contrails. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23829721 Sometimes contrails are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times, depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. To make this concept simple for you, and not confuse you with the more complex physics of SUBLIMATION, because most people who believe in chemtrails have no understanding of physics. Contrails either dissipate or last depending on mainly two main conditions at fight levels (there are more, but like I said, I will keep it simple). Temperature, and Moisture content of the atomosphere. Contrails are made of ice crystals, much like snow flakes. Why do some snow flakes melt, and some stick around? Temperature and moisture content at ground level. The SAME SCIENCE. Basically if the air at flight levels is dryer or warmer, the contrails will dissappear quickly. If the air is very cold and supersaturated with moisture, the contrails will remain and form clouds. And then you have the conditions everywhere in between. Now, when you learn how these conditions work, you will understand why you see more long lasting persistent contrails in front of weather systems. The uneducated will say "Chemtrails caused storms". Those with a basic understanding of Meteorology know the storm system created the conditions for persistent contrails out in front of the system.vv Now for some basic science of Meteorology for the chemtrail believers. When a cold front or storm system is moving in, its cold dry air, that system is like a giant bulldozer that is pushing supersaturated air up high in the atmosphere. And that is a lot of times you see long lasting contrails before up to days before storms. Sorry to ruin your thread with science. But I felt it was needed. How do they form in the Arizona dessert or over Nevada? Dry and warm, no? Just because the desert is hot at dry at ground level, doesnt mean that the atmosphere is hot and dry at flight levels. Why would you think it would be? Man, the chemtrail believers could answer a lot of their own questions if they just put a little effort into learning how to read atmospheric meteorological maps and models. |
| WindyMind
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23829721 United States04/24/2013 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7794073 holy shit this thread is filled with chemtards without a shred of evidence or scientific knowledge we've been hitting a nerve because the chemtards keep walking out in traffic but ...fuck it, roadkill...do what you want we're going to stay on the side though....and watch the mayhem...not be a part of it Science is typically done first through observation so your science that you put up here is meaningless. The observations point to chemtrails. There is also plenty of science about geoengineering..maybe you should do a little research since one of the suggested means of cloud whitening is by using aerosols in planes. Perhaps you are too blinded by one side of science to see the other side of science waving and saying " hey look up I'm over here" hopefully you see it waving and decide to stop in and take a look. Your understanding of science is flawed. Your belief system and flawed science seems to go like this. I see contrails + I dont understand the science of contrail formation + I read some website about Geoegineering= Contrails must be Geoengineering Dude, Im a Meteologist. I could bore this thread with pages and pages of physics and mathematical formulas that how contrail formation happens and persists. In fact I wasted hours doing that on a chemtrail believers message board. It just went right over the heads of the delusional uneducated population of that board and I was branded a Shill, simply because Im educated in Meteorology. I wont make that mistake again. So I to keep my explanations in their simple form, so even the uneducated can understand. No matter what science and logic I produce, the chemtrail believers are ruled by their delusions and those delusions cant be swayed by scientific fact. But that doesnt mean Im not going to share my knowledge and education to those who are not delusional and want to learn true science. Trying to convince truly intense chemtrail believers science is like trying to convince a severe schizophrenic that the voices in their heads arent real. Im a Meteorologist, not a Psychiatrist. I took enough Psychology classes in college were I can usually accurately diagnose you, Unfortunately, I didnt take enough Psych classes in college where I can cure you. The only thing I can really do is educate you on atmospheric science. Its really up to you if you want to learn or remain ignorant. Nor does it matter to me what you continue to believe or have delusions about. Off topic but is there a 16-day forecast gfs model out there? This is what I use.... [link to weather.rap.ucar.edu] Sure, that University page uses the same GFS 16 day model we Meteorologists all use. Keep in mind that weather models that go that far out are not real accurate when it comes to forecasting say for a specific city. They just show what potential weather "might" be coming. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23829721 United States04/24/2013 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have to wonder why chemtards make statements of fact instead of using the word "maybe". Or the words "I believe". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064 It's you chemtards who refuse to admit you could be wrong. At least debunkers just point out that the evidence that you people present is just evidence of your ignorance about the subjects. we don't say there are no "chemtrails", we say there is no evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. You people INSIST the trails are contrails...and that those of us who disagree with you do so because we are paid to. Please, seek help. LOL....I agree. The words "MAYBE" and "WHAT IF" really shouldnt exist in debate, and those words surely dont help the delusional. Ever watch the show "Ancient Aliens?"...if you do, count how many times they say "MAYBE" and "WHAT IF". Its usually about every other sentence. Cracks me up. Even Southpark made a show making fun of that subject and their "MAYBES and WHAT IFS" |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 38802731 United States04/24/2013 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It might be possible that whole chemtrail threads are put up and then debated by the shills themselves as a way to maniputlate the situation. I am not saying this thread was started by a shill just that the thought that that was (maybe) happening occured to me. Quoting: WindyMind I think you may be right WindyMind, I've seen too many OP posting their 'interest', are these chemtails and then when told yes, they will start debunking themselves. I think this OP is a shill. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States04/24/2013 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It might be possible that whole chemtrail threads are put up and then debated by the shills themselves as a way to maniputlate the situation. I am not saying this thread was started by a shill just that the thought that that was (maybe) happening occured to me. Quoting: WindyMind Nawwwwww...you're not paranoid! lol |
| Nanna-Ree
(OP) User ID: 38804977 United Kingdom04/24/2013 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | all i can say is that im a 30 something housewife from the uk that started opening my eyes about 18 mths ago (it was about earthquakes when i fist found this site) and i hadnt even heard or thought about half the things on here...but im finding more and more now, that i would have laughted at then isnt always as mad or far fetched as i thought it was... i have read all the yes and no replys and im still in 2 minds if im honest. yes all the facts are there about contrails and no, you cant always argue with science....and yes you say and can proove everything you say, but you can not disprove beyond a doubt that chemtrails are not real....so i am going to continue believing both chem and con could be real and when someone posts a photo or link i may or may not go and look at it to see what another human being has to say on the matter....or if i see something and want to share it with others that may like to see it i will....and not because im a shill, for disinfo, or to cause an argument .........look at God...you can neither proove or disproove what it says in the bible yet the page is always full of God/Jesus/Bible or antichrist threads, which you can either believe or not...but sometimes maybe something some1 says is enough to make another person question things or open their mind to other idea and be less ridged in their thoughts.... "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair… |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37268102 United States04/24/2013 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have also noticed this lately. Blue backround on my Windows 8 screen with white spray lines. And on the eve news..........blue backround behind the news people that has white spray lines in motion......various widths of the white spray lines are shown. Subtle imprinting for the masses that this is a normal sky. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37268102 United States04/24/2013 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Wash your car some afternoon Then.....after you see planes spraying.......just wipe the hood of your car the next morning. Bring this sample to your local college or some other lab.......and have it tested for aluminum and barium. This will prove things for you......as an individual. However to post your findings on here or youtube.........there is no way to prove your findings to the general public. They will find a way to question it. The only way to prove things for the general public is to get MSM to send a film crew to an airbase......and to also have a large force of troops capture and investigate everything that is on the base......with the MSM cameras rolling. Don't count on this happening in the near future. There were rumors for several years about the Nazis burning Jews in the camps. However, it was not actually proven until 1945......when the troops arrived to liberate the camps......and with them were the film crews. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14778846 United States04/24/2013 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have also noticed this lately. Blue backround on my Windows 8 screen with white spray lines. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37268102 And on the eve news..........blue backround behind the news people that has white spray lines in motion......various widths of the white spray lines are shown. Subtle imprinting for the masses that this is a normal sky. Good point! They're in the movies as well! Lots of generic netflix movies have chemtrails in various scenes of the sky.. Very sickening. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States04/24/2013 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37268102 Wash your car some afternoon Then.....after you see planes spraying.......just wipe the hood of your car the next morning. Bring this sample to your local college or some other lab.......and have it tested for aluminum and barium. This will prove things for you......as an individual. However to post your findings on here or youtube.........there is no way to prove your findings to the general public. They will find a way to question it. The only way to prove things for the general public is to get MSM to send a film crew to an airbase......and to also have a large force of troops capture and investigate everything that is on the base......with the MSM cameras rolling. Don't count on this happening in the near future. There were rumors for several years about the Nazis burning Jews in the camps. However, it was not actually proven until 1945......when the troops arrived to liberate the camps......and with them were the film crews. That will prove that dust contains aluminum and barium ions...like it has...forever. You are ignorant about the world around you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37268102 United States04/24/2013 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are ignorant about the world around you." **************************************************** The above statement is exactly an example of what you would hear from many other people.......if you try to publicize your results on your own. As I said.........you would have to have MSM cameras and an army take over an airbase... and investigate what is there. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37268102 United States04/24/2013 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| GFX guy
User ID: 9776422 United States04/24/2013 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Here's some interesting research: If one clicks on the "Adv. Search" link at the top and searches for the UID: Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 Here's the list of all the threads this AC has replied in: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? BREAKING: Ex-Military Bio-Environmental Engineer Kristen Meghan Blows Whistle On Air Force Chemtrail Program Exposed: Secret Presidential Chemtrail Budget Uncovered – Congress Exceeds Billions To Spray Populace Like Roaches Are these chemtrails or contrails? Crazy Chemtrails: Chicago (Pics) Fuck You 1 Star Shills Ex-military bio-enviromental engineer Kristan Meghan blows whistle on Air Force chemtrails. CHEMTRAILING - 2 guys in Jet catches them spraying- WOW!! Chemtrails, Geo-Engineering and Planetary Extinction: The Most Important Topic For 2013 Facebook User Account Frozen After Posting This Chemtrail Photo + SECRETS EXPOSED Chemtrails: Aerosol and Electromagnetic Weapons in the Age of Nuclear War Chemtrail question?! read please! Only chemtrail threads... That doesn't seem like your typical GLP'er. Reposting... for the record. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States04/24/2013 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "That will prove that dust contains aluminum and barium ions...like it has...forever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37268102 You are ignorant about the world around you." **************************************************** The above statement is exactly an example of what you would hear from many other people.......if you try to publicize your results on your own. As I said.........you would have to have MSM cameras and an army take over an airbase... and investigate what is there. Yes, of ocurse that's what you'll hear...it's called " the truth". You should try it some time! Aluminum is 7% of the earth..and dissolved from rock by sulfuric acid...all of which has been part of this planet nice long before a single living thing was on the surface! Here, learn a little something about aluminum...when you're finished, maybe you can figure out a way to earn about barium! [link to www.lenntech.com] Please try not to blame YOUR ignorance on others. It's rude. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States04/24/2013 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :hmmm: Quoting: GFX guy Here's some interesting research: If one clicks on the "Adv. Search" link at the top and searches for the UID: Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 Here's the list of all the threads this AC has replied in: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? BREAKING: Ex-Military Bio-Environmental Engineer Kristen Meghan Blows Whistle On Air Force Chemtrail Program Exposed: Secret Presidential Chemtrail Budget Uncovered – Congress Exceeds Billions To Spray Populace Like Roaches Are these chemtrails or contrails? Crazy Chemtrails: Chicago (Pics) Fuck You 1 Star Shills Ex-military bio-enviromental engineer Kristan Meghan blows whistle on Air Force chemtrails. CHEMTRAILING - 2 guys in Jet catches them spraying- WOW!! Chemtrails, Geo-Engineering and Planetary Extinction: The Most Important Topic For 2013 Facebook User Account Frozen After Posting This Chemtrail Photo + SECRETS EXPOSED Chemtrails: Aerosol and Electromagnetic Weapons in the Age of Nuclear War Chemtrail question?! read please! Only chemtrail threads... That doesn't seem like your typical GLP'er. Reposting... for the record. Damn right! I admit it! I'm not a conspiracy nut! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States04/24/2013 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "That will prove that dust contains aluminum and barium ions...like it has...forever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37268102 You are ignorant about the world around you." **************************************************** The above statement is exactly an example of what you would hear from many other people.......if you try to publicize your results on your own. As I said.........you would have to have MSM cameras and an army take over an airbase... and investigate what is there. Yes, of ocurse that's what you'll hear...it's called " the truth". You should try it some time! Aluminum is 7% of the earth..and dissolved from rock by sulfuric acid...all of which has been part of this planet nice long before a single living thing was on the surface! Here, learn a little something about aluminum...when you're finished, maybe you can figure out a way to earn about barium! [link to www.lenntech.com] Please try not to blame YOUR ignorance on others. It's rude. Nice = since. Earn = learn Damn iPad..gonna have to proof read better I guess. I do make mistakes..I can admit it. I wish chemtards could. |
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| WindyMind
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 38752915 United States04/25/2013 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the best defended chemtrail thread I have seen. It was worth taking a jab at (from the chemtrails honesty point of view). Quoting: WindyMind Play it loud and appreciate the fairies, I joke. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ WM / Exactly ^^^^^^^^^^^ Think What You Think, Believe What You Believe Do As You Do, In your day to day mundane world... Along your temporal existence in this world. Whatever you do, Dont' Look Up!!!! Everything Is, Is / We Are Not Of This World But Merely in this world for a short period.... |
