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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 04/23/2013 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really what we have here is the GOV saying "NOPE, nothing to see here" and the population saying WTF? Given the widespread anecdotal evidence combined with eyewitness testimony of EX GOV personnel, I'd say that there's a higher than probable chance that they (chemtrails) are real. The question is WHY? Quoting: AwakenedDude Peace. /Noble Impersonation 1 Those pilots, engineers, government employees are all lying. And people are hallucinating these things. Chemtrails cant exist because I say so. If you disagree you are a chemtard. /Noble Impersonation 0 Bad impersonation. I have never said that chemtrails don't exist. I guess you are too stupid to understand my position. 1) there is no evidence that the trails aren't contrails. 2). There is no evidence that chemtrails exist. You ARE a chemtard...but not for disagreeing with me, but for making stupid assumptions. By the way.. What pilots, engineers, government employees say I'm wrong?! Oh yeah...the ones who have never studied aviation( not the pilot) or atmospheric science...that's who! Of course, I have only heard of one pilot who believes in chemtrails...and he is mentally ill. John Leer Nuttier than squirrel shit! But go ahead..ask any atmospheric scientist on the plant if I'm right... You sure showed me. Everyone is going to take your word now. Man, you are quick and witty. I don't give a shit what you do. I'm just here to post truth next to chemtard lies. Believe what you want. Why do you people act like I don't have the right to post my side of the story?! |
Forgotten
User ID: 29097718 United States 04/23/2013 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chemtrails don't exist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38463309 If they did then we would all be dead. 65 years old and chemtrails haven't killed me yet. Live your life the way you want to, but don't fear the fantasies in this world. Pesticides exist. I have been eating them for a long time. I am not dead from that either. But, there is not debate that humans consume pesticides. Some things dont kill you. Just give you other "problems". Forgotten: Reach me at [email protected] |
LHP598
User ID: 38120397 United States 04/23/2013 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely false. If that were true then cirrus clouds could never exist. Contrails can persist and grow given the right conditions. This has been known for 70+ years. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
Jaid0gz
User ID: 2630300 Australia 04/23/2013 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Holy shit this thread is filled with shills who haven't even tried to research chemtrails... Some of the posts here are such a waste of time to even begin replying to, knowing that they aren't going to care anyway because they're simply paid shills. We're hitting a nerve. Last Edited by Jaid0gz on 04/23/2013 07:43 PM |
Forgotten
User ID: 29097718 United States 04/23/2013 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Forgotten /Noble Impersonation 1 Those pilots, engineers, government employees are all lying. And people are hallucinating these things. Chemtrails cant exist because I say so. If you disagree you are a chemtard. /Noble Impersonation 0 Bad impersonation. I have never said that chemtrails don't exist. I guess you are too stupid to understand my position. 1) there is no evidence that the trails aren't contrails. 2). There is no evidence that chemtrails exist. You ARE a chemtard...but not for disagreeing with me, but for making stupid assumptions. By the way.. What pilots, engineers, government employees say I'm wrong?! Oh yeah...the ones who have never studied aviation( not the pilot) or atmospheric science...that's who! Of course, I have only heard of one pilot who believes in chemtrails...and he is mentally ill. John Leer Nuttier than squirrel shit! But go ahead..ask any atmospheric scientist on the plant if I'm right... You sure showed me. Everyone is going to take your word now. Man, you are quick and witty. I don't give a shit what you do. I'm just here to post truth next to chemtard lies. Believe what you want. Why do you people act like I don't have the right to post my side of the story?! In one sentence you state you "dont give a shit what we do", Then in the next you are basically saying that you do care that we "have an opinion about your posts". Which is it. Do you care or not? If you dont care why even ask... Why do you people act like I don't have the right to post my side of the story?! Quoting: ShillForgotten: Reach me at [email protected] |
LHP598
User ID: 38120397 United States 04/23/2013 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The are all contrails. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23829721 Sometimes contrails are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times, depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. To make this concept simple for you, and not confuse you with the more complex physics of SUBLIMATION, because most people who believe in chemtrails have no understanding of physics. Contrails either dissipate or last depending on mainly two main conditions at fight levels (there are more, but like I said, I will keep it simple). Temperature, and Moisture content of the atomosphere. Contrails are made of ice crystals, much like snow flakes. Why do some snow flakes melt, and some stick around? Temperature and moisture content at ground level. The SAME SCIENCE. Basically if the air at flight levels is dryer or warmer, the contrails will dissappear quickly. If the air is very cold and supersaturated with moisture, the contrails will remain and form clouds. And then you have the conditions everywhere in between. Now, when you learn how these conditions work, you will understand why you see more long lasting persistent contrails in front of weather systems. The uneducated will say "Chemtrails caused storms". Those with a basic understanding of Meteorology know the storm system created the conditions for persistent contrails out in front of the system.vv Now for some basic science of Meteorology for the chemtrail believers. When a cold front or storm system is moving in, its cold dry air, that system is like a giant bulldozer that is pushing supersaturated air up high in the atmosphere. And that is a lot of times you see long lasting contrails before up to days before storms. Sorry to ruin your thread with science. But I felt it was needed. If this is true... then why did this only start happening in the 1980's? Did it? Plenty of info about persisting contrails here [link to contrailscience.com] and here [link to contrailscience.com] and here [link to contrailscience.com] [link to contrailscience.com] [link to contrailscience.com] [link to contrailscience.com] [link to contrailscience.com] [link to contrailscience.com] [link to contrailscience.com] They HAVE increased in frequency. But jet traffic has also increased. Along with that increase is an increase in the average height they fly (higher flight usually means a greater chance of contrails). They also have newer engines that put out more thrust and burn cleaner (more water in the exhaust). If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 04/23/2013 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really what we have here is the GOV saying "NOPE, nothing to see here" and the population saying WTF? Given the widespread anecdotal evidence combined with eyewitness testimony of EX GOV personnel, I'd say that there's a higher than probable chance that they (chemtrails) are real. The question is WHY? Quoting: AwakenedDude Peace. There is nothing but ignorance for evidence AND the "EX GOV personnel". Every "whistleblower" has been nothing but a confused chemtard...or a liar. There is no evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. None? The question is why...do you people refuse to earn about these subjects from those qualified to teach them?! Your peers are UNqualified. 1) Increased levels of aluminum and barium in soil tests seem to disagree. Also, look at satellite photos from the 1980's compared to now. 2) Air traffic is NOT substantially higher than it was 20 years ago and most airplanes in production at that time are STILL active today (e.g. same equipment). They are crazy expensive and are not replaced often. 3) Someone is lying. Period. Who do you believe? GOV or citizens? 4) Having been around since the 60's I can tell you that the sky is not the same. The number of days of hazy silver skies are increasing. Just look up. 5) Why does a two or three engine jet have four or 5 "contrails"? Observe for yourself. 6) Video after video shows people seeing these chemicals being ejected from planes. Peace. Acid rain leaches natural elements from soil.google it.the levels are normal...considering. And are certainly not proven to come from the trails. What about the satellite images?! Yes, it is substantially higher. Especially air freight. Also, the engines are far more efficient, and create more water vapor through hydrocarbon combustion Chemtards are spreading lies because of their refusal to understand the subjects. I was born in 1965 and have seen these trails through my entire life in the Boston area. There are just more of them now. But, persistent contrails ave been around for over 80 years. Don't forget the APU..it's another engine. Also. I find that to be nothing but anecdotal bullshit. But, it could be what's known as an aerodynamic contrail you are seeing..again, google it. Video after video of undereducated whiners making stupid assumptions about things they only believe that they understand...but couldn't be more ignorant about if they wanted to be... |
LHP598
User ID: 38120397 United States 04/23/2013 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The are all contrails. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23829721 Sometimes contrails are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times, depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. To make this concept simple for you, and not confuse you with the more complex physics of SUBLIMATION, because most people who believe in chemtrails have no understanding of physics. Contrails either dissipate or last depending on mainly two main conditions at fight levels (there are more, but like I said, I will keep it simple). Temperature, and Moisture content of the atomosphere. Contrails are made of ice crystals, much like snow flakes. Why do some snow flakes melt, and some stick around? Temperature and moisture content at ground level. The SAME SCIENCE. Basically if the air at flight levels is dryer or warmer, the contrails will dissappear quickly. If the air is very cold and supersaturated with moisture, the contrails will remain and form clouds. And then you have the conditions everywhere in between. Now, when you learn how these conditions work, you will understand why you see more long lasting persistent contrails in front of weather systems. The uneducated will say "Chemtrails caused storms". Those with a basic understanding of Meteorology know the storm system created the conditions for persistent contrails out in front of the system.vv Now for some basic science of Meteorology for the chemtrail believers. When a cold front or storm system is moving in, its cold dry air, that system is like a giant bulldozer that is pushing supersaturated air up high in the atmosphere. And that is a lot of times you see long lasting contrails before up to days before storms. Sorry to ruin your thread with science. But I felt it was needed. completely appreciate explanations like this but...the crazies don't debate...they only get defensive, transfer and gaslight otherwise their world comes crashing down Nice condescension guy. Actually, though even these pictures alone disprove that. [link to i1318.photobucket.com] You can see one plane. laying down a trail in what appears to be in the same area as the 3 other trails. The newest one is dissipating. But the others seem to remain. If the atmosphere changed in that area wouldn't the others dissipate as well? How do you KNOW that they are in the same area? There could easily be a few thousand feet difference that wouldn't be visible to the naked eye. Engine difference can also have an effect. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
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LHP598
User ID: 38120397 United States 04/23/2013 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They always spray 24 hours before a rain event.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208 Watch the weatherman and then look at the sky... Or in other words, shortly before a front moves in the conditions are favorable to contrail persistence. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 04/23/2013 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064 Bad impersonation. I have never said that chemtrails don't exist. I guess you are too stupid to understand my position. 1) there is no evidence that the trails aren't contrails. 2). There is no evidence that chemtrails exist. You ARE a chemtard...but not for disagreeing with me, but for making stupid assumptions. By the way.. What pilots, engineers, government employees say I'm wrong?! Oh yeah...the ones who have never studied aviation( not the pilot) or atmospheric science...that's who! Of course, I have only heard of one pilot who believes in chemtrails...and he is mentally ill. John Leer Nuttier than squirrel shit! But go ahead..ask any atmospheric scientist on the plant if I'm right... You sure showed me. Everyone is going to take your word now. Man, you are quick and witty. I don't give a shit what you do. I'm just here to post truth next to chemtard lies. Believe what you want. Why do you people act like I don't have the right to post my side of the story?! In one sentence you state you "dont give a shit what we do", Then in the next you are basically saying that you do care that we "have an opinion about your posts". Which is it. Do you care or not? If you dont care why even ask... Why do you people act like I don't have the right to post my side of the story?! Quoting: ShillI don't care if you "take my word", or not...stupid. I'm not here for chemtards. I'm here for the people you are lying to, who might be trying to learn the truth. I stand by my words...I don't care what you do. I was just curious as to why you people care so much about what debunkers post?! It doesn't change anything...I will continue to post the truth where you morons post ignorance. In that way, I don't care what you do...I'm not influenced by your actions...except that when you post stupid nonsense, I'll post truth. Get it..stupid? |
Forgotten
User ID: 29097718 United States 04/23/2013 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Forgotten You sure showed me. Everyone is going to take your word now. Man, you are quick and witty. I don't give a shit what you do. I'm just here to post truth next to chemtard lies. Believe what you want. Why do you people act like I don't have the right to post my side of the story?! In one sentence you state you "dont give a shit what we do", Then in the next you are basically saying that you do care that we "have an opinion about your posts". Which is it. Do you care or not? If you dont care why even ask... Why do you people act like I don't have the right to post my side of the story?! Quoting: ShillI don't care if you "take my word", or not...stupid. I'm not here for chemtards. I'm here for the people you are lying to, who might be trying to learn the truth. I stand by my words...I don't care what you do. I was just curious as to why you people care so much about what debunkers post?! It doesn't change anything...I will continue to post the truth where you morons post ignorance. In that way, I don't care what you do...I'm not influenced by your actions...except that when you post stupid nonsense, I'll post truth. Get it..stupid? I have made no comments in regards to chemtrails. I have not stated they are real or not. My only comment was that your posts stick out like a sore thumb. But, you showed me again. Even called me stupid. Best comeback ever! So witty and smart. How do you come up with these replies so fast! Forgotten: Reach me at [email protected] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 04/23/2013 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really what we have here is the GOV saying "NOPE, nothing to see here" and the population saying WTF? Given the widespread anecdotal evidence combined with eyewitness testimony of EX GOV personnel, I'd say that there's a higher than probable chance that they (chemtrails) are real. The question is WHY? Quoting: AwakenedDude Peace. There is nothing but ignorance for evidence AND the "EX GOV personnel". Every "whistleblower" has been nothing but a confused chemtard...or a liar. There is no evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. None? The question is why...do you people refuse to earn about these subjects from those qualified to teach them?! Your peers are UNqualified. 1) Increased levels of aluminum and barium in soil tests seem to disagree. Also, look at satellite photos from the 1980's compared to now. 2) Air traffic is NOT substantially higher than it was 20 years ago and most airplanes in production at that time are STILL active today (e.g. same equipment). They are crazy expensive and are not replaced often. 3) Someone is lying. Period. Who do you believe? GOV or citizens? 4) Having been around since the 60's I can tell you that the sky is not the same. The number of days of hazy silver skies are increasing. Just look up. 5) Why does a two or three engine jet have four or 5 "contrails"? Observe for yourself. 6) Video after video shows people seeing these chemicals being ejected from planes. Peace. Acid rain leaches natural elements from soil.google it.the levels are normal...considering. And are certainly not proven to come from the trails. What about the satellite images?! Yes, it is substantially higher. Especially air freight. Also, the engines are far more efficient, and create more water vapor through hydrocarbon combustion Chemtards are spreading lies because of their refusal to understand the subjects. I was born in 1965 and have seen these trails through my entire life in the Boston area. There are just more of them now. But, persistent contrails ave been around for over 80 years. Don't forget the APU..it's another engine. Also. I find that to be nothing but anecdotal bullshit. But, it could be what's known as an aerodynamic contrail you are seeing..again, google it. Video after video of undereducated whiners making stupid assumptions about things they only believe that they understand...but couldn't be more ignorant about if they wanted to be... About the first one.... [link to www.elmhurst.edu] |
Unionlakre
User ID: 38752915 United States 04/23/2013 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really what we have here is the GOV saying "NOPE, nothing to see here" and the population saying WTF? Given the widespread anecdotal evidence combined with eyewitness testimony of EX GOV personnel, I'd say that there's a higher than probable chance that they (chemtrails) are real. The question is WHY? Quoting: AwakenedDude Peace. One if the many real reason's is to block out the suns. Per Algore 90 million tons per day have the recipe looged in with the US Patent office.... Over 80 patents.. [link to www.google.com] The recent gov't cutback's have put a pinch on the route's They do not respond to other aircraft in the same airspace, [link to www.google.com] We Are Not Human Beings Going Thru a temporary Spiritual Existence... We Are Spiritual Beings Going Thru a Temporary Human Existence.... Some See - Some Don't / Some Will Some Won't Peer Amid = Look With-in... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7794073 United States 04/23/2013 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Holy shit this thread is filled with shills who haven't even tried to research chemtrails... Some of the posts here are such a waste of time to even begin replying to, knowing that they aren't going to care anyway because they're simply paid shills. Quoting: Jaid0gz We're hitting a nerve. holy shit this thread is filled with chemtards without a shred of evidence or scientific knowledge we've been hitting a nerve because the chemtards keep walking out in traffic but ...fuck it, roadkill...do what you want we're going to stay on the side though....and watch the mayhem...not be a part of it |
GERT
User ID: 32419382 United States 04/23/2013 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have seen a pic of inside these spray planes. They are real as u and me. There's been many people that know/have known about this for a decent time now. Possibly weather manipulation. Possibly to weaken your immune system. Possibly part of a whole other plan. Endless possibilities but either way its real. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38130886 Australia 04/23/2013 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | taken at 5.36 pm [link to s1318.photobucket.com] Quoting: Nanna-Ree taken at 5.46 pm [link to s1318.photobucket.com] taken at 5.52 pm [link to s1318.photobucket.com] taken at 5.56 pm [link to s1318.photobucket.com] Welcome to chemtrail city. Contrails would not last that long. They are spreading out . Breath in deep ! |
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gatzster
User ID: 635878 Puerto Rico 04/23/2013 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | taken at 5.36 pm [link to s1318.photobucket.com] Quoting: Nanna-Ree taken at 5.46 pm [link to s1318.photobucket.com] taken at 5.52 pm [link to s1318.photobucket.com] taken at 5.56 pm [link to s1318.photobucket.com] Those are chemtrails. There is no rhyme or reason for aircraft to be playing games in the sky. Your sky will start out beautiful blue and then they start the games in the sky and by night time there is a solid film across the sky. So what are they trying to hide? Or what are they dropping on the population? And then there are always the meatheads that follow the chemtrail posts and you will know who they are by their content. They are always there. I wonder how much they get paid? Last Edited by gatzster on 04/23/2013 08:24 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38775257 Germany 04/23/2013 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to i1362.photobucket.com] [link to i1362.photobucket.com] [link to i1362.photobucket.com] |
gatzster
User ID: 635878 Puerto Rico 04/23/2013 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats how the chemtrails over my house do look like: Quoting: Schweisser [link to i1362.photobucket.com] [link to i1362.photobucket.com] [link to i1362.photobucket.com] Now that is what I really call games! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37852193 United States 04/23/2013 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Liar. Contrails can and do last for hours if the atmosphere is cold and humid enough. Right. Just like on a cold day your breath linger on for miles in a trail behind you. Totally different situation. At altitude, the air is much colder..among other differences. Such as pressure and humidity. Thanks for proving that you are completely ignorant about the subject. exactly how cold is it. i thought condensation froze at 32 degrees regardless Mr. Science. |
AwakenedDude
User ID: 6598408 United States 04/23/2013 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really what we have here is the GOV saying "NOPE, nothing to see here" and the population saying WTF? Given the widespread anecdotal evidence combined with eyewitness testimony of EX GOV personnel, I'd say that there's a higher than probable chance that they (chemtrails) are real. The question is WHY? Quoting: AwakenedDude Peace. There is nothing but ignorance for evidence AND the "EX GOV personnel". Every "whistleblower" has been nothing but a confused chemtard...or a liar. There is no evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. None? The question is why...do you people refuse to earn about these subjects from those qualified to teach them?! Your peers are UNqualified. 1) Increased levels of aluminum and barium in soil tests seem to disagree. Also, look at satellite photos from the 1980's compared to now. 2) Air traffic is NOT substantially higher than it was 20 years ago and most airplanes in production at that time are STILL active today (e.g. same equipment). They are crazy expensive and are not replaced often. 3) Someone is lying. Period. Who do you believe? GOV or citizens? 4) Having been around since the 60's I can tell you that the sky is not the same. The number of days of hazy silver skies are increasing. Just look up. 5) Why does a two or three engine jet have four or 5 "contrails"? Observe for yourself. 6) Video after video shows people seeing these chemicals being ejected from planes. Peace. Acid rain leaches natural elements from soil.google it.the levels are normal...considering. And are certainly not proven to come from the trails. What about the satellite images?! Yes, it is substantially higher. Especially air freight. Also, the engines are far more efficient, and create more water vapor through hydrocarbon combustion Chemtards are spreading lies because of their refusal to understand the subjects. I was born in 1965 and have seen these trails through my entire life in the Boston area. There are just more of them now. But, persistent contrails ave been around for over 80 years. Don't forget the APU..it's another engine. Also. I find that to be nothing but anecdotal bullshit. But, it could be what's known as an aerodynamic contrail you are seeing..again, google it. Video after video of undereducated whiners making stupid assumptions about things they only believe that they understand...but couldn't be more ignorant about if they wanted to be... You'd help your case quite a bit if you quit assaulting people that have opposing viewpoints. Just sayin' First of all, googling things doesn't equate to correct information. In fact if you google "chemtrail" you'll even get GLP links! What would be most helpful for your case against chemtrails is posting actual scientific studies relating to this phenomenon. The problem is, that since the GOV denies their existence, there's nothing to study, hence no reports. This is why it's a conspiracy theory. Note the word theory here. Acid rain levels have actually DECREASED in the U.S. over the past 30 years substantially. That's a phenomena we actually know quite a bit about. Quite a few lakes in Pennsylvania will probably be contaminated for many generations to come. Apples and oranges here. As to the aerodynamic contrails and hydrocarbon combustion, some of that is indeed correct. However, over time (you can see it in real time), you'll notice that the diffusion takes on a silvery/gold color that is inconsistent with WHITE contrails. Also, aren't newer engines (if that's really the case) MORE EFFICIENT? That would mean less hydrocarbon exhaust, right? Again, most airplanes in service today are the same ones they've been using for the past 20 years. Airlines are not going to change our engines unless they are DOA. Too much cost to justify replacement for the sake of efficiency. How do you explain a commerical jet that actually makes crosshatched patterns in the air ON PURPOSE? 100 miles long? Are these confused pilots or are they out for LULZ? I've seen this with my own eyes. How do you explain the fact that they start and stop at seemingly random places. For example, many have seen the contrail/chemtrail suddenly STOP and then START again? Finally, when a person shoots a video from the window of a plane showing chemicals spewing out of an airplane, why do you call them chemtards and stupid? All they are doing is witnessing an event and reporting it. You can decide what it is you are seeing. Peace. |
AwakenedDude
User ID: 6598408 United States 04/23/2013 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats how the chemtrails over my house do look like: Quoting: Schweisser [link to i1362.photobucket.com] [link to i1362.photobucket.com] [link to i1362.photobucket.com] Thanks for the pics Schweisser. One of the the problem debunkers face is the patterns that these jets make. It's intentional unless we can somehow fathom they're just up there making circles for the LULZ. Also, they turn them on and off seemingly at will. Peace. |
UnderCoverMan
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37852193 United States 04/23/2013 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The are all contrails. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23829721 Sometimes contrails are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times, depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. To make this concept simple for you, and not confuse you with the more complex physics of SUBLIMATION, because most people who believe in chemtrails have no understanding of physics. Contrails either dissipate or last depending on mainly two main conditions at fight levels (there are more, but like I said, I will keep it simple). Temperature, and Moisture content of the atomosphere. Contrails are made of ice crystals, much like snow flakes. Why do some snow flakes melt, and some stick around? Temperature and moisture content at ground level. The SAME SCIENCE. Basically if the air at flight levels is dryer or warmer, the contrails will dissappear quickly. If the air is very cold and supersaturated with moisture, the contrails will remain and form clouds. And then you have the conditions everywhere in between. Now, when you learn how these conditions work, you will understand why you see more long lasting persistent contrails in front of weather systems. The uneducated will say "Chemtrails caused storms". Those with a basic understanding of Meteorology know the storm system created the conditions for persistent contrails out in front of the system.vv Now for some basic science of Meteorology for the chemtrail believers. When a cold front or storm system is moving in, its cold dry air, that system is like a giant bulldozer that is pushing supersaturated air up high in the atmosphere. And that is a lot of times you see long lasting contrails before up to days before storms. Sorry to ruin your thread with science. But I felt it was needed. completely appreciate explanations like this but...the crazies don't debate...they only get defensive, transfer and gaslight otherwise their world comes crashing down Nice condescension guy. Actually, though even these pictures alone disprove that. [link to i1318.photobucket.com] You can see one plane. laying down a trail in what appears to be in the same area as the 3 other trails. The newest one is dissipating. But the others seem to remain. If the atmosphere changed in that area wouldn't the others dissipate as well? Why do you people pretend to understand all the variables when it's obvious that you are completely ignorant about them. Engine type, engine setting, engine size, altitude adjustment, differences of just a few feet...can all lead to differences in trails. You people don't understand this subject. Those of us who do...know you don't. Stop fooling yourselves. You are just trying to confuse people and running counter intel. People don't need to understand all of your bs. All your doing is obfuscating and running out the clock while the program continues. Mention chemtrails anywhere on the internet, no matter how obscure the forum, and someone like you will magically show up the start using the same techniques of insults and shaming and reading from the same playbook of talking points. People know what the sky used to look like. They no that the spraying is increasing every year. They no that the climate change and strange weather being blamed on carbon dioxide is in fact being cause on purpose by these spray programs. You make me sick. I can't believe someone is low enough to try to cover this up. You are truly a pathetic creature. |
GFX guy
User ID: 9776422 United States 04/23/2013 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064 There is nothing but ignorance for evidence AND the "EX GOV personnel". Every "whistleblower" has been nothing but a confused chemtard...or a liar. There is no evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. None? The question is why...do you people refuse to earn about these subjects from those qualified to teach them?! Your peers are UNqualified. 1) Increased levels of aluminum and barium in soil tests seem to disagree. Also, look at satellite photos from the 1980's compared to now. 2) Air traffic is NOT substantially higher than it was 20 years ago and most airplanes in production at that time are STILL active today (e.g. same equipment). They are crazy expensive and are not replaced often. 3) Someone is lying. Period. Who do you believe? GOV or citizens? 4) Having been around since the 60's I can tell you that the sky is not the same. The number of days of hazy silver skies are increasing. Just look up. 5) Why does a two or three engine jet have four or 5 "contrails"? Observe for yourself. 6) Video after video shows people seeing these chemicals being ejected from planes. Peace. Acid rain leaches natural elements from soil.google it.the levels are normal...considering. And are certainly not proven to come from the trails. What about the satellite images?! Yes, it is substantially higher. Especially air freight. Also, the engines are far more efficient, and create more water vapor through hydrocarbon combustion Chemtards are spreading lies because of their refusal to understand the subjects. I was born in 1965 and have seen these trails through my entire life in the Boston area. There are just more of them now. But, persistent contrails ave been around for over 80 years. Don't forget the APU..it's another engine. Also. I find that to be nothing but anecdotal bullshit. But, it could be what's known as an aerodynamic contrail you are seeing..again, google it. Video after video of undereducated whiners making stupid assumptions about things they only believe that they understand...but couldn't be more ignorant about if they wanted to be... You'd help your case quite a bit if you quit assaulting people that have opposing viewpoints. Just sayin' First of all, googling things doesn't equate to correct information. In fact if you google "chemtrail" you'll even get GLP links! What would be most helpful for your case against chemtrails is posting actual scientific studies relating to this phenomenon. The problem is, that since the GOV denies their existence, there's nothing to study, hence no reports. This is why it's a conspiracy theory. Note the word theory here. Acid rain levels have actually DECREASED in the U.S. over the past 30 years substantially. That's a phenomena we actually know quite a bit about. Quite a few lakes in Pennsylvania will probably be contaminated for many generations to come. Apples and oranges here. As to the aerodynamic contrails and hydrocarbon combustion, some of that is indeed correct. However, over time (you can see it in real time), you'll notice that the diffusion takes on a silvery/gold color that is inconsistent with WHITE contrails. Also, aren't newer engines (if that's really the case) MORE EFFICIENT? That would mean less hydrocarbon exhaust, right? Again, most airplanes in service today are the same ones they've been using for the past 20 years. Airlines are not going to change our engines unless they are DOA. Too much cost to justify replacement for the sake of efficiency. How do you explain a commerical jet that actually makes crosshatched patterns in the air ON PURPOSE? 100 miles long? Are these confused pilots or are they out for LULZ? I've seen this with my own eyes. How do you explain the fact that they start and stop at seemingly random places. For example, many have seen the contrail/chemtrail suddenly STOP and then START again? Finally, when a person shoots a video from the window of a plane showing chemicals spewing out of an airplane, why do you call them chemtards and stupid? All they are doing is witnessing an event and reporting it. You can decide what it is you are seeing. Peace. Well said! [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] |
Terrebonne
User ID: 38751436 United States 04/23/2013 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The are all contrails. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23829721 Sometimes contrails are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times, depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. To make this concept simple for you, and not confuse you with the more complex physics of SUBLIMATION, because most people who believe in chemtrails have no understanding of physics. Contrails either dissipate or last depending on mainly two main conditions at fight levels (there are more, but like I said, I will keep it simple). Temperature, and Moisture content of the atomosphere. Contrails are made of ice crystals, much like snow flakes. Why do some snow flakes melt, and some stick around? Temperature and moisture content at ground level. The SAME SCIENCE. Basically if the air at flight levels is dryer or warmer, the contrails will dissappear quickly. If the air is very cold and supersaturated with moisture, the contrails will remain and form clouds. And then you have the conditions everywhere in between. Now, when you learn how these conditions work, you will understand why you see more long lasting persistent contrails in front of weather systems. The uneducated will say "Chemtrails caused storms". Those with a basic understanding of Meteorology know the storm system created the conditions for persistent contrails out in front of the system.vv Now for some basic science of Meteorology for the chemtrail believers. When a cold front or storm system is moving in, its cold dry air, that system is like a giant bulldozer that is pushing supersaturated air up high in the atmosphere. And that is a lot of times you see long lasting contrails before up to days before storms. Sorry to ruin your thread with science. But I felt it was needed. INFJ; We are the protectors. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38775257 Germany 04/23/2013 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats how the chemtrails over my house do look like: Quoting: Schweisser [link to i1362.photobucket.com] [link to i1362.photobucket.com] [link to i1362.photobucket.com] Thanks for the pics Schweisser. One of the the problem debunkers face is the patterns that these jets make. It's intentional unless we can somehow fathom they're just up there making circles for the LULZ. Also, they turn them on and off seemingly at will. Peace. They also spray black stripes followed by a plane with a white chemtrail to hide it. I have a pic of that, too: [link to i1362.photobucket.com] |