Here's your King James 1611 Bible and your "jesus"

uh..I don't think so cletus

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

Even the scholars say that Baal = Lord

and you knowingly stiffen your neck and blaspheme his name with baal?

this message is for the few that will listen and come out...

Hos 2:16 “And it shall be, in that day,” declares YHWH, “that you call Me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer call Me ‘My Baal.’

Last Edited by YAH Stone Massive! on 04/28/2011 11:45 PM

Strawman argument by you...

i would never deminish what Jesus did at the cross, perhaps you dont agree with the wordage used, but im not sorry. it is what i know him by, and when i pray he hears me.

you see, this is why i like catholics. they are actually more loving in this area of sharing, unlike some "christian" bretheren. this is no way at all in reguards to all "christian" women, they are loving accepting and always ready to share/teach also.

i care not for the church authority, but i do love the people. that is why the Lord calls them out of her else they also will partake and drink of her cup of wrath as well.

unfortunately, they to have their share of strange and unusual doctrine as well, and of course, it is against what i read in my bible.

i guess it is true, i will go to the house of Jacob and learn how to worship my God. hopefully, they will share. hopefully, i will speak the same language they do as well.

this path is lonely.

I sat alone because of your hand.

Since you keep quoting John. According to John, nobody has ever known about God till the Christ came to make him known. So all OT scripture is irrelevant to the Christ.

No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

Not Moses, the prophets, nobody but the Christ has spoke of the true God.

Brother if I come off as condescending please forgive me. I know that you have a great relationship with the most high and he hears you prayers.

We are constantly growing and progressing to be firmly planted in he.

I would gaurentee that there are two differences that seem like a standing jump from you to me and me to you

but these two things seem like a big chasm to you right now because it must be sought after by the Ruach (the spirit)

I'm not far from you. I am your brother and it was love that I encourage. There were caring people who did the same for me. They didn't sugar coat anything but laid out the Word with love.

I'm no better than you and I love you. Or else I would be silent.

anyone interested in where this odd teaching comes from can google "sacred name cult" and get information

Wikipedia has this:

"Sacred Name History

The Movement started with the formation of the yahshua Assembly of Yahweh in Holt, Michigan, USA in the early 1930s. The leaders of this group claim that a founding member was visited by two angels who explained that The Messiah's Name is properly Yahshua. This occurred around the time that interest in the subject was keen."

so this teaching began with a purported visitation by angels -- I will leave the reader to read into that what they will. here's a hint -- this is a different gospel ;-)

there are very few sacred namers. the Bible shows there will be multitudes in heaven, of every TONGUE tribe and nation. there's another clue ;-)

I hope I've been gentle enough here. op's intimation that Christians worship Zeus and Baal is kind of insulting really. but really no big deal :-)

glp is a lousy place for doctrine. I recommend anyone wanting to know more do a doctrinal study -- learn the essentials of the faith. carm.org is an excellent resource :-) josh McDowell wrote some excellent books. learn the truth and be set free, and also makes it fairly easy to spot the counterfeit

love peace and joy

rb

John did not exist in the 1611 KJV bible either. It was Ionne.

And Christaians always quote Paul's letters, who on the face of this earth has Paul's letters? The Pope?

Brother all scripture and prophets reveal the Mashiac. If we stood in the presence of Eloah we would surely perish because of his glory.

But he sent his messenger who bore the name of YAH in fact this same messenger who spoke this:

Jdg 2:1 And the Messenger of YHWH came up from Gilgal to Boḵim, and said, “I led you up from Mitsrayim and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers, and I said, ‘I do not break My covenant with you,

Saul is a fraud anyway, Peter denied Christ, and Luke was Sauls buddy, so that leaves little truth.

Last Edited by Motion & Rest on 04/29/2011 12:01 AM

Your right, they speak of the Hebrew messiah, whom is yet to come. The Christ isn't from the OT god.

I am quite certain that you are the only person on earth who could read what I wrote there and find where I blasphemed Jesus by calling Him Baal!? knowingly or otherwise??

I'm a-done with the sacred name stuff for tonight it's actually sort of boring, no offense op :-)

love peace and joy!

rb

You mean the hebrew MASHIACH who fulfilled Yashayahu (Isaiah) 53?

I believe the report of the prophets many who had the YAHU in their names.

i quit reading at angels

Who's this?

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel

Same guy Isaiah said that.

Last Edited by Motion & Rest on 04/29/2011 12:09 AM

You know and I know that Jesus is a pagan god. But what about your YHWH. According to the Ugaritic texts that dates before the old testament, YHWH was one of 70 sons of El and Asheroh. El was the supreme god. Doesn't that make YHWH pagan also?

you are speaking of yahweh not Yahuwah...

the pot read "to yahweh and his asherah"

P46 also has those titles. Here is p46.

[link to chrles.multiply.com]

You can't post Greek to GLP. Read the Greek text for p46, Galatians 6:12.

Here is what it looks like, using English letters:

"XPY IHY"

Both those words have a line over the last two letters. The first word is an abbreviation for Christos, and the second word is an abbreviation for Iesous. It might be transliterated into English like this: "Chru Ieu".

You can verify that the name of Christ Jesus is written in Greek in P46 by looking carefully at this image:

[link to chrles.multiply.com]

Counting every line with some writing on (including the title), it is on the seventh line. Here is the seventh line transliterated into English, with the name of Christ Jesus in bold.

"ina to stro tou chru ieu me diokontai oute"


Therefore, it is wrong to say that P46 does not contain the Greek words for God, Jesus, Christ, and Lord. It does definitely contain those Greek words. You can verify it yourself by looking at this picture:

[link to chrles.multiply.com]

On the seventh line, you will see what looks like "XPY IHY" which is Christ Jesus in Greek.

Hunh?

nope, science and God are in full agreement -- IMPOSSIBLE for 'the' truth to be expressed in one single language....

well, for every single human on the planet that is....

sure, truth for one group can be written in one language, but again, it is impossible for one language to express 'the' truth for all humans....

Tritone Paradox again:

:tritoneparadox:

one group hears 'Yah', one group hears 'Wah'....

the ancients knew this fact....got lost in translation over the centuries....

You do realize that the the epistles were written in Greek, that the gospels were written in Greek, that the apostles quoted from the Septuagint (a Greek translation of the Old Testament), and that basically the entire New Testament, canonical or otherwise, was written in Greek? That would mean that they deceived everyone, God forbid, to whom they were writing, especially the Gentiles who knew nothing of the Hebrew language or the Hebrew's traditions, culture, etc.

Greek words used in the New Testament:

Theos = God

Iesous = Jesus

Christos = Christ

Hosea 2:17 - For I will take from her mouth the names of the Baalim, And they shall be remembered by their name no more.

What does this verse mean to you?? Pretty powerful when on this topic. I'm come from being an atheist almost my whole life - I had no church education at all. I learnt quickly (I would say was guided) to the TRUE names of our messiah - Yahushua, and our heavenly Father Yahuah. I pray only in these names.

When considering the importance of the 'name', keep in mind also that hebrew names also have a meaning. Yahushua means, 'Yah is Salvation'. Yahuah has a very beautiful and powerful meaning - 'behold the hand, behold the nail'. He great is that? He reveals His character to us by saying he is about saving us.

So people are saying why the translation to Jesus? Um, duh,... Satan peoples. We're at war, and if the devil can't get you to worship him deliberately he'll do it deceptively. BUT!!! Yah holds the reigns!!

Yah has anointed the name Jesus Christ so his people would not be defenceless until the truth would be revealed. In the name of Jesus, Yah's people have cast out demons and engaged in spiritual warfare. How did this happen? Go read the tale of Balaam if you're interested.

smokin' awesome testimony!!!!

Of course not, but stop trying to seperate yourself on the basis of semantics. That is how the devil destroys the Church, but using such things.

When a group try to make themselves exclusive on the basis of some kind of gnosis concerning the scripture, they find all kinds of fuel to feed their ego and their pride, the kind of pride that YHVH resists. The kind of pride that brings about a spiritual fall...just saying, perhaps it is time to remove the beam out of your own eyes before you are qualified to judge others in the faith on matters of righteousness.