Here's your King James 1611 Bible and your "jesus"

You will create a whole theology to apologize for the name jesus.


I believe in Yahuwshua ha'mashiach crucified.
I believe that it is by his blood that I am redeemed.
Why are you so fearful of the ground I stand on?

so you try to demonize me?


if you read my earlier post I wrote:

No I am not saying that. Many died in ignorance and the righteous judge who is YAH will weigh their hearts and deeds.


But I tell you about the trevail that we are in right now and I will quote the prophet Joel

Joe 2:31 the sun is turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of YHWH.
Joe 2:32 “And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of YHWH shall be delivered1. For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escape2 as YHWH has said, and among the survivors whom YHWH calls.


YHWH was written in the original scriptures 6800+ times
It was changed by the "translators" for "Lord"

why?


Now read Joel 2:32 is says YHWH not Lord.
Lord means Baal

are you going to call on Yahuwah (YHWH) or Baal (Lord)

Jesus doesn't want you to waste precious time on endless debates on how to translate or spell his name.

Spread Good News of Christ, Save People, Fill yourself with Word.

That's it, stop making it so hard and off-putting.

well according to the prophets and Yahuwshua his name is a big big deal

Joh 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not judged, but he who does not believe is judged already, because he has not believed in the Name of the only brought-forth Son of Elohim.

judged because they BELIEVED NOT in the name of the son of Elohim

So, the OP is basically suggesting that God, who created the Heavens and the Earth, does not have the power to create his perfect Word in the English language.

Heritick!

The KJV is perfect for english speaking peoples. Also, you throw around "original" hebrew scripts. Did not Moese smash the roiginal 10 Commandments st the golden calf?

Yes, he did and God wrote "all" His words again thus He writes his Word for us in English, the KJV.

You don't suppose, for a moment, that they were speaking figuratively, and that the important thing was that you believe the son of God died on the cross and was resurrected for the remission of human sin, if only you would believe?

Do you suppose that might be the most important thing, and maybe all this name-game stuff is a bunch of distractionary, divisive BS?

Perhaps?

I think you're probably a very intelligent person, but sometimes too much intelligence is self-defeating and, well...gospel defeating.

Nobody reading your name game challenge is going to go "Wow, now I get it! I *SHOULD* become A yeohsshowovuaaal...ummm...ist!

Do you not see that?

We are not aramaic, greek, Hebrew, Roman or anything else. We're English speaking people who say "Jesus" when we refer to the Son of God.

And the Son of God, I assure you, is fully capable of knowing what we mean.

The Greek spelling for ichthus is -- Iota, Chi, Theta, Upsilon, and Sigma. The English translation is IXOYE. The five Greek letters stand for the words meaning, "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior." The Greek rendering is, "Iesous Christos, Theou Uios, Soter".

That is where the Christian Christ came, remember, this is the age of Pieces. Before that was Aries the Ram, that is why they honored the ram. Archeology in Israel has found a lot of ram heads throughout Jeruseleum. Christians drive around with a fish on their car.

I am sure everyone has seen INRI on Catholic crosses. (Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum)

As the other poster said, the 1611 actually contained Iesus, not Jesus. Jesus showed up in the 1769 KJV bible. Anyone can buy a replica of the 1611 bible here if you would rather have the original version. Great for bible collectors, only 1611 copies made.

ichthus is a Greek word meaning "fish".

why would he want to do that ??

the God of the Bible does not want anything to be in one language....said so directly

colossians 2:16 is because they WERE doing them and didn't want others to say they SHOULDN'T. Don't you think that if they point to what we'll be doing later, we should be doing them all now? Or should we be practicing 'christmas' and old nick (a word used for satan) your choice.

as for 1 john, not sure what you're saying there. But the antichrist also talked about in Daniel, Revelation and other places.

Read the whole book of 1 John, and see how we are to Love the Creator and our brothers.

Definitions to help:

Sin: Breaking The Creator's commandments

Righteous: Following Divine Law

Holy: Set Apart (AKA NOT Common)

Scriptures: The Torah (first 5 books of the bible, Paul's letters were not a part of that when he wrote it)


This is the last thing I will say on the matter. You can choose to do what you want, but the Messiah came to tell the house of Israel to Repent! This means Go Back to My Law! Turn From Your Ways you THINK are Holy. then the Messiah perfectly followed the law and taught his Disciples to do likewise. And the last command HE gave them was to go out and make Disciples of all the nations. (Disciples perfectly followed their rabbi in word and deed) He didn't tell the nations to repent, because they didn't have the Law to repent back too.

Constantine messed up a lot of people bro, and I pray that you can see that in history, I posted his creed he had when he started christianity earlier on the first page of this thread. All he did was say, stop doing everything you're doing (that was following the Torah and believeing in the Messiah), and do what we're doing. we'll use your stories but follow our ways and use our god's names to do so.

Good Night

I am not fearful of the ground you stand on friend. I just think this approach does little to promote the gospel message is all. I have no problem with you calling Our LORD Yeshua. There is only one Messiah.

The evening I knelt at me bedside and made my confession to the Almighty I called out to Jesus and he answered me and changed my life from that moment on.

Let him who glories, glory in The LORD (or the name you wish to use here).

Moses knew who he was in the presence of on the mountain, though he did not know his name. Yet he revered.

I AM THAT I AM.

I suspect his name is too holy to be uttered by sinful mens lips.

We all take different paths in this life. I cannot say what path you have taken, nor can you speak for mine. But The Almighty knows all of our paths and all of our hearts. He will judge us all by our thoughts and deeds.

If we are in the body Of Christ lets try to find unity in the body of Christ. Not division. IMHO, this topic does not serve to unite the body Of Christ.

I am sure you could find a few errors to correct me here. And replace some names with hebrew names to make it more official like. Thats ok, I am a gentile by natural birth. My mother was greek (God rest her soul). But we know there is neither jew nor greek in his Kingdom. Hopefully you can discern the spirit and intent of my words.

peace,

Oops, here is the place to buy the 1611 KJV replica.

[link to www.thekjvstore.com]

LOL What?

To derail that poor argument, Would not God provide a perfect Bible for Germans?
Yes he did, the Bible by Luther.


The point is God gets His Word out and it will not return void.

Devil.

Mal 3:16 Then shall those who fear YHWH speak to one another, and YHWH listen and hear, and a book of remembrance be written before Him, of those who fear YHWH, and those who think upon His Name.
Mal 3:17 “And they shall be Mine,” said YHWH of hosts, “on the day that I prepare a treasured possession. And I shall spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him.

you're absolutely correct, this is 'dagon', the fish god followed by pagans. You can see lots of statues in his honor on catholic churches, and their hats are fish mouths to commemorate their false god as well.

Suppose His name was really Yahooshaw, so what? In English His name is Jesus. If you're not happy with that and want to call Him Yahoosh then can we expect you'll be speaking Hebrew from now on? That'd be great, because I don't read Hebrew and couldn't care less what you think. Bozo The Clown knows more about God than you do.

And by the way, the King James Bible is almost word for word from William Tyndale's. You should read his, and stop thinking the world began in 1611.

Read your own book,

Genesis 11:7

not one single language has it all....and when someone tries to make humans follow one language, well God gets upset....

i hear all this wonderful stuff, but i have yet to actually hear Jesus is Lord, we are told to test the spirits. and everyone tiptoes around this most basic issue.

Is Jesus Lord?

and remember, im not hebrew, jewish, scandinavian, pollish, russian, chinese, japanese, korean, mexican, indian, egyptian, arabian, turkish, greek, franc, european, canadian, and i dont always consider myself american especially as of late, cause my citizenship should have been through years ago to be a legal resident of Heaven.

i just want to hear it in words i do know and understand fluently, Jesus is Lord. im sorry if its to much to ask, perhaps you convictions prohibit you from speaking in english, perhaps in your heart it is even sinful for you to say, i'll understand.

but you must also understand me as well, my faith is precious, and strange or unfamiliar things i must question closely, this is a matter of eternity. therefore, in light of this inability to meet on a level playing field ill refrain at further attempts to gleen any light from what it is you are trying to teach/share.

humans do not all hear the same:

:tritoneparadox:

to attempt or even believe in one universal language is just plain wrong

To end this debate, do a word search on Hosea 2:16. see EXACTLY what the verse is saying about the end times.

" [link to www.blueletterbible.org]

And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, [that] thou shalt call me Ishi( [link to www.blueletterbible.org] and shalt call me no more Baali( [link to www.blueletterbible.org]

in other words,

And it shall be at that day, saith Yĕhovah, [that] thou shalt call me Yĕhovah; and shalt call me no more "my lord".

point, set, match

P.S. - read all of Hosea 2, much more info for ya

No idiot...

You are you own JESUS.....

CHRIST IS FORMED IN YOUR HEART BY FAITH.....

Faith,cometh by hearing the word of God..

Before that"word"can be fulfilled....

The(WORD)must first be preached throughout the "world"..

A requirement!

Now....
Who doesn't know about Christ,or the word!You OP?..

Can you hide from your self?

Be not deceived.,God is not mocked...Be careful......

And the Lord said to my Lord!

Peace and grace bed in to thee....

you are right jesus is baal...

baal means lord by the way


Yahuwshua ha'mashiach is king to the glory of YAHUWAH the father....

and I will bow to he...


I will not set aside the favor of Yahuwah Elohim because if rigteousness was atainable by just following Torah then Yahuwshua has died for naught.

Last Edited by YAH Stone Massive! on 04/28/2011 11:09 PM

All right, OP, Rock On, I see you're totally immersed and invested in this.

Hope this name straighting out thing works out for you.

Thanks,

Just trying to share a little truth with you guys.


Remember the stages of truth...at the end..will come acceptance...


A real friend will tell you what you don't want to hear.


halleluYAH!

YAH bless you!

christmas? i dont celebrate christmas, i dont celebrate holidays. i dont even celibrate on my birthday.

i dont go to church, it was my curiosity which caused me to read my bible. and the bible has been my only teacher.

i did try church, but to many things that conflicted with my bible came up and i left and never went back.

i do not know which ways are holy, so its hard to think about anything. i am not bound to the law, i am a gentile.

im not sure what constantine messed up, as i said previously i follow that i learn from my bible. i do however dislike organized religion in general. it isnt just the catholic church being the whore, but everyone always forgets, the whore has many daughters.

and good night

Brothers and sisters we say the first part of the saviors name when we blindly repeat the following word @ church or agreement.


halleluYAH


YAH!

Psa 68:4 Sing to Elohim, sing praises to His Name. Raise up a highway for Him Who rides through the deserts, By His Name Yah, And exult before Him.



Exo 23:20 “See, I am sending a Messenger before you to guard you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Exo 23:21 “Be on guard before Him and obey His voice. Do not rebel against Him, for He is not going to pardon your transgression, for My Name is in Him.


YAHuwshua

YAHUW = I AM HE
SHUA = Who delivers!

Just a quick clarification: "j" exists in Hebrew. It does NOT exist in Greek. So when "Yeshua" was transliterated into Greek (the standard written language at the time of assembling the letters of the new testament into a single volume) it was phonetically transliterated to Iesu. Then, once the text began reaching western europe, Latin and Germanic transliterations brought in the "j" from "ie" of the Greek.

In Hebrew, Yeshua translates as "YWHW saves." "Jesus'" name more closely resembles "Joshua."

That being said, I understand the point you are making and it's worth noting. A lot of people don't bother to look beyond the surface of things and miss out on a lot of knowledge.

Shalom.

Ba'al means 'master'. Dingus.

I call on Jesus every day :-)

He knows who I am I hear His voice I follow Him I know Who He Is ;-)

He knows my heart and discerns between my thoughts and INTENTS

those who INTEND to worship the Lord Jesus Christ -- our Creator come to earth as a man 2000 years ago, Who died for our sins was buried and rose from the dead the third day -- are worshipping the same God you are

now this is a vain dispute over a doubtful thing to try and compel others to pronounce His Name exactly like you do, and believe everyone should. if you believe you must pronouce His Name a certain way, fine -- you are fully convinced in your own mind ;-) nothing wrong with that -- we all serve God according to our own conscience as best we can

BUT implying that other believers must follow YOUR conscience in this matter is well, unconscionable

love peace and joy

rb :-)