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The Biocentric Universe Theory: Life Creates Time, Space, and the Cosmos Itself

 
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For the purpose of this thread when I say reality I am talking about the universal reality. Some possibilities about why it appears like we cannot do it at the moment.

*We have lost the ability to do so
*We have forgotten how
*We are being actively stopped from using this ability
*We need a democratic style concensus to change or alter the reality
*Reality is broken
*Something is stopping the changeability of reality

Who wouldn't love to be able to change air into the best meal you've ever had in your life, or sprout wings and fly (I know, so cliche, but sounds fun!). The closest we've come to something like this is in our virtual enviroments like video games. Computer programmers code these things into the games. Are they a really bad emulation and representation of what we can really do?
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This is what 2012 is all about
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Time does not exist, so why would something as a big change like that need to wait until some human made date? Time is a measurement of motion/change, I have been telling people this for years and all I get are "did you forget your meds" looks. Time itself is not a force! Any event like that would require a trigger, not a date. Unless of course it is the final date for us to work out how to create reality or evolve or whatever you want to call it. Then everything re-cycles? Start from scratch?

IMO it's a brilliant idea if this was true, the best way to deceive anyone who has a chance of working out this problem with the creation/alteration of reality is to convince them that it automatically happens to various groups, organizations and believers on or after the final chance we have of working it out >_>

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Wow, that article really blew me away, I must re-read it and then attempt to digest the info, again, wow, and thanks
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GREAT ARTICLE, OP!

In keeping with the Biocentric Universe Theory, let's see how this might apply or impress a layman.

In our way of thinking (perceiving) we actually think backwards due to the way we've been told the Universe is made....that it is absolute.

So...turning this around to suit the Bicentric Method, here's a simple example:

It is thought that birds can fly BECAUSE they have wings. BUT, what if birds can fly, THEREFORE they have wings??


Let's get this party started...

Hee heeee.....

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We most certainly create our reality, that should be a given.
How we interpret the data coming in via our senses ,what we believe about it, how we interpret the polarised nature of the physical universe and value fulfilment.. weather we use unconditional love or constant denial and enforced repetitions of guilt/fear based thinking as energy for creating that reality.

When Biocentric Universe line of thinking becomes much more accepted there will be this shift in how we create our reality individually and as a species, for now though , yes it is pretty much been shut out to us because of the overall frequency of the species.. that will change, there will be attempts to pummel society with fear so it can be put off yet again.

Stay with it.
Thanks for this info ..
"It was curious to think that the sky was the same for everybody, in Eurasia or Eastasia as well as here. And the people under the sky were also very much the same--everywhere, all over the world, hundreds or thousands of millions of people just like this, people ignorant of one another's existence, held apart by walls of hatred and lies, and yet almost exactly the same--people who had never learned to think but were storing up in their hearts and bellies and muscles the power that would one day overturn the world."
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For the purpose of this thread when I say reality I am talking about the universal reality. Some possibilities about why it appears like we cannot do it at the moment.

*We have lost the ability to do so
*We have forgotten how
*We are being actively stopped from using this ability
*We need a democratic style concensus to change or alter the reality
*Reality is broken
*Something is stopping the changeability of reality

Who wouldn't love to be able to change air into the best meal you've ever had in your life, or sprout wings and fly (I know, so cliche, but sounds fun!). The closest we've come to something like this is in our virtual enviroments like video games. Computer programmers code these things into the games. Are they a really bad emulation and representation of what we can really do?
 Quoting: Xenus


I feel it's because we believe what we've been told, and BECAUSE reality molds to our thinking, the Universe gives us back the reality we believe in. It's a Catch 22 problem. The proof is only PROOF because we believe it and therefore achieve it.

As has been said by Wayne Dyer, it's not you'll believe when you see it, it's actually that you'll see it when you believe it!

Cool, huh?

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Creating who's reality? There is only one reality for every religion, their reality, conform to the way their rules tell you or else. Maybe originally religion was good and did help the world, but now it's decadent and ruined. There are many scientists who are religious also you know.

What does it really take to "create reality"? I must really suck at it because the world is still fucked up no matter how much I want a better world. We are missing something, because positive thoughts and prayer, meditation and all that do not change reality from my experiences. Maybe it takes a majority to want the same reality for it to happen, but I'm leaning to unlikey on this one, not impossible, nothing is really impossible. But it might explain why individuals can't "create reality" and there is such control over the media and such.

I read a very good book once by Terry Pratchett called "Gods", basically it dealt with a similar concept, only it was about the fact that when people stopped believing in a god, they cease to exist and disappear. It's fiction btw.

But it feels like we are lacking something or something is not quite right and we have lost the ability to create "reality". I forgot to mention that there appear to be different realities, personal reality and the universal reality. Each person perceives their surroundings differently and therefore have their own personal reality. But there is the overall reality of the universe/world. You can change your own personal reality but I am interested in working out if we can really affect the universal reality and how it can be done...
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ah, but that's just it...

Creating who's reality? There is only one reality for every religion, their reality, conform to the way their rules tell you or else. Maybe originally religion was good and did help the world, but now it's decadent and ruined. There are many scientists who are religious also you know.

creating whose reality?

it is becoming increasingly clear to me that both religion and people in power in general know that if they can get masses of people to think and behave in ways consistent with their agenda THEN THAT REALLY DOES CHANGE THE WORLD TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE IN POWER -whether it be religious or political or financial power.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you come here to offer this information to others...

the buddhists say we do not become enlightened for ourselves but for everyone.

it's like dropping a stone into the pond and the waves ripple outward.

How can one person change the world? We can't. But we can change the world one person at a time. Share your ideas, share in order to get others to think differently, or at least consider an alternative to the way they currently think.

There are people who are trying to get people to think along the lines of changing things by asking them to participate collectively in "prayer" or mass conciousness experiments.

Coast to Coast did that collective focus experiment to make it rain...

Lynn McTaggert, author of The Field, has asked on her website that people volunteer from time to time in participating in a mass collective of thought.

I am not inclined to be a joiner of groups, so I am always leery of lending my participation in such things. Perhaps in order to change the world we need to be willing to include our thoughts to a larger collective. It seems the reality we are living in depends on the masses to participate in creating that reality or agree to participate in it at least.
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This is what 2012 is all about
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Galactic (and possibly larger) cycles:

Cosmic Rays and the Evolution of Earths Climate During
the Last 4.6 Billion Years

Henrik Svensmark Danish Space Research Institute

Variations in the flux of Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCR) at Earth during the last 4.6 billion years are constructed from information about the Star Formation Rate (SFR) in
the Milky Way and the evolution of solar activity. The variations of GCR show a remarkable resemblance to changes in Earth’s climate during the period considered, suggesting that Earths climate is closely linked to the evolution of our Milky Way. [link to 74.125.95.132]

Relation of reverse geomagnetic polarity to biological
evolution

Our experiment shows that cosmic rays impact can be a driving force of evolution. However, the intensity of cosmic ray fluxes and the area of impact are modulated by magnetosphere structure and magnetic field strength. When the magnetic strength decreases, that should be during the polarity reversal, the effect of cosmic ray impact can be increased. We suppose that the Earth magnetosphere not only protects living systems to the exposure of cosmic radiation, but also promotes damage repair through the influence of the geomagnetic field (GMF) variations on the processes of intra- and intercellular interactions. GMF variations can modulate the efficiency of cosmic rays impact on the Earth’s surface by increasing the repair of genetic damages more effectively in opposite of irreparable damages on the Earth’s orbit, where the magnetic field
strength is low. At the present time the field strength is decreasing. The mechanisms driving all of this are still not understood very well. [link to 74.125.95.132]

The Cygnus Mystery - Did Cosmic Rays Affect Human Evolution?
Since the discovery in the 1920s that all types of radiation can cause gene mutations, scientists have wondered what role high energy cosmic rays might have played in human evolution. However, it was an idea destined never to find favour among geneticists, who could determine no hard evidence that the background flux of cosmic rays might have had any noticeable effect on human cells.

All this is about to change, as an examination of ice cores extracted from sites in Antarctica and Greenland provides new information on the level of cosmic rays reaching Earth in past ages.

When so-called ‘primary’ cosmic rays hit the upper atmosphere they generally break up to produce a plethora of ‘secondary’ particles that form isotopes, which fall to Earth and are preserved each year in layers of ice. One such isotope is beryllium 10, which provides clear evidence that on three occasions over the past 100,000 years – around 60,000 years ago, 40,000 years ago and 17,000 years ago - there have been extremely intense periods of cosmic ray activity lasting up to 2,000 years at a time.

Although the cyclic nature of these spikes of activity perhaps indicate a connection with long-term solar cycles, other factors might have been behind the sudden increase in cosmic rays during Palaeolithic times, when our earliest ancestors made huge jumps in evolution that led eventually to the rise of civilization.

Catastrophists propose that a close supernova explosion might have sent a barrage of cosmic particles in our direction, dramatically increasing cloud formation, thus preventing the sun from penetrating through the atmosphere and leading quickly to an ice age and mass extinctions on the ground. Thus it is possible that close supernova might account for the high levels of beryllium found in the ice cores.

An altogether different scenario is that the true source of cosmic rays affecting the evolution of life are black holes or neutron stars, a theory first proposed in 1973 by world-renowned astronomer Carl Sagan. Curiously, in the 1980s particle physicists in Europe and the USA unexpectedly detected the presence deep underground of incoming cosmic rays that had penetrated the solid rock to great depths, suggesting that they had come from an extremely powerful cosmic ray accelerator somewhere in deep space. [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]


THE CYGNUS MYSTERY explores the strange appearance of the Watchers of the Book of Enoch; examines the archaic beliefs of the star-worshipping Sabians and angel-worshipping Yezidi, who each saw the North Star as the direction of cosmic life and death. It shows that the Giza pyramids relate more closely to Cygnus than they do Orion, and reveals for the very first time the previously unrecognized entrance to an underworld domain equated directly with what American psychic Edgar Cayce referred to as the Hall of Records.

There is also in depth material on the significance of junk DNA to human evolution and ETI, as well as new insights into drug-induced mind-altered states and their relationship to deep cave settings for supernatural communications. I look at the real significance of DNA discoverer Francis Crick¹s LSD experiences, and provide chapters on Cygnus and the Milky Way as the cosmic mother, under names such as Bride, Brigit, Isis, Hathor, Nut, Venus and Saraswati.

Lastly, Andrew presents overwhelming evidence of life's cosmic origins, something that our earliest ancestors recognised, yet we have forgotten, and finally we look at Cygnus's upcoming role in the much anticipated events surrounding 2012. [link to www.andrewcollins.com]

Influence of cosmic waves on evolution and structure of DNA

"Up to this moment no one has yet come up with a general theory, which would explain why nature and the lives within it have the fundamental ability of regeneration, or how and why the command of growth, DNA, is originated. However, the theory of regenerating universe here, which is the combined result of physical science, ancient cosmology and family history, has come across some inklings in turns of nature's influence on evolution over the last two and half decades (See Notes at end of page). Although the following suggestions are not expressed in strictly genetic terms or style of technical writing, it describes not just the regeneration of the universe, but also nature's influence on evolution and regeneration of life." [link to www.regenerating-universe.org]

Cosmic rays and fiction

In fiction, cosmic rays have been used as a catchall, mostly in comics (notably the Marvel Comics group the Fantastic Four), as a source for mutation and therefore the powers gained by being bombarded with them.

In the book Atlas Shrugged by author Ayn Rand, Dr. Robert Stadler's research of cosmic rays is said to have contributed to "Project X", a weapon of mass destruction. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Darwin's Radio: Prehistoric Gene Reawakens to Battle HIV

"What's especially intriguing, beyond the amazing idea of an AIDS vaccine, is that aminoglycosides have the potential to unlock the uses for other pieces of junk DNA. In Darwin's Radio, certain portions of these "non-sense" sequences, remnants of prehistoric retroviruses, have been activated by aminoglycosides
In the novel, humans start rapidly evolving after their junk DNA re-awakens in response to stress. Could we induce instant mutations, or gain other new immunities by using aminoglycosides on our junk DNA?" [link to www.dailygalaxy.com]
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"....Looking up, he saw a huge golden orb web spider tethered to the overhead boughs. There the creature sat on a single thread, reaching out across its web to detect the vibrations of a trapped insect struggling to escape. The spider surveyed its universe, but everything beyond that gossamer pinwheel was incomprehensible. The human observer seemed as far-off to the spider as telescopic objects seem to us...."

And the spider told him this? Or did he just surmise it?
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"I suppose it depends on your definition of what a universe is. The key word would be observable universe. How can those other universes exist if we cannot see them? But if you want to continue that discussion join the other thread."
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Just because we didn't have the sensors to perceive it - didn't preclude its existence.
Prior to technological means of perception, all we had to go on were our five (or six) senses, after technological enhancement our senses have indeed revealed more of reality.
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For the purpose of this thread when I say reality I am talking about the universal reality. Some possibilities about why it appears like we cannot do it at the moment.

*We have lost the ability to do so
*We have forgotten how
*We are being actively stopped from using this ability
*We need a democratic style concensus to change or alter the reality
*Reality is broken
*Something is stopping the changeability of reality

Who wouldn't love to be able to change air into the best meal you've ever had in your life, or sprout wings and fly (I know, so cliche, but sounds fun!). The closest we've come to something like this is in our virtual enviroments like video games. Computer programmers code these things into the games. Are they a really bad emulation and representation of what we can really do?


I feel it's because we believe what we've been told, and BECAUSE reality molds to our thinking, the Universe gives us back the reality we believe in. It's a Catch 22 problem. The proof is only PROOF because we believe it and therefore achieve it.

As has been said by Wayne Dyer, it's not you'll believe when you see it, it's actually that you'll see it when you believe it!

Cool, huh?

S.
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Yes, this is along the same line of thinking I get stuck on sometimes, if we had the power and the only way to use it is to KNOW you can, with not a shred of doubt, then how could we KNOW if we have so much doubt? We would only KNOW when we do it. Beliefs perhaps, but that is more cheating/abusing/exploiting a flaw and it is hard for a person like me to simply believe in something, or anything really. And overall I do not think it would work very well, but it might work to some extent. But it would only be a fraction of what is possible if we were truly confident in our abilities with no doubts.

How can one person change the world? We can't. But we can change the world one person at a time. Share your ideas, share in order to get others to think differently, or at least consider an alternative to the way they currently think.

History is full of people who have changed the world through discoveries, inventions and what have you. I don't like to force anything on others, if they do not want to see what is there for them to see that is their choice, who am I to force change on people? People will only change if they want to change. And damn, I made a bad typo, mixing up who's and whose, but I have been up for over 30 hours >_<
I'm usually meticulous with that kind of thing but lately I seem to be making more and more mistakes...

However, that being said you can try to make people want to change.
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"I suppose it depends on your definition of what a universe is. The key word would be observable universe. How can those other universes exist if we cannot see them? But if you want to continue that discussion join the other thread."
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Just because we didn't have the sensors to perceive it - didn't preclude its existence.
Prior to technological means of perception, all we had to go on were our five (or six) senses, after technological enhancement our senses have indeed revealed more of reality.
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First of all you copied and pasted the first post you made from the flu - radiation thread. I don't see how it pertains to a discussion on the nature of our world and reality. Secondly, if we cannot perceive it then it does not exist. It only exists if we observe it. Or other living beings do. So far we are all alone in this vast universe. Until we observe otherwise that's how it is. And we still use our senses to observe the data that our machines and inventions collect. This information is still processed within our brains and is stored in our minds.

Maybe TPTB know that they cannot maintain control any longer so are trying to make use believe that a huge catastrophy is coming, which require our belief to actually eventuate? Just a thought along the lines of a democractic concensus. But I feel that this method of creating a universal reality is too flawed to be true, after all why should the major rule?

Not to mention all the shit that happens in the world, either someone causes it with actions or with reality creation.

A thought just occured to me, are there power levels of this ability to create reality, the more you train it the stronger it gets, or some people are naturally better than others at it kind of thing? Start small train it up and get stronger at it? Like an unused muscle that's atrophied?

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First of all you copied and pasted the first post you made from the flu - radiation thread. I don't see how it pertains to a discussion on the nature of our world and reality. Secondly, if we cannot perceive it then it does not exist. It only exists if we observe it. Or other living beings do. So far we are all alone in this vast universe. Until we observe otherwise that's how it is. And we still use our senses to observe the data that our machines and inventions collect. This information is still processed within our brains and is stored in our minds.
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The above bolded is vitally important methinks. No matter what, our perceptions dictate what we see "out there". There is NO mechanism that measures or observes or records that doesn't also require perception and individual interpretation by us as individuals.

In other words, we are SEEING the Universe made of stuff WITH the SAME STUFF that the Universe is made of. It's all the same STUFF..the observed AND the Observer. It just appears different to us because of how it is configured. How, then, is the configuration of that stuff (over there) different than the configuration of the stuff by which we observe IT?

It's rather like the brain studying the brain to see how IT works. LOL

Maybe TPTB know that they cannot maintain control any longer so are trying to make use believe that a huge catastrophy is coming, which require our belief to actually eventuate? Just a thought along the lines of a democractic concensus. But I feel that this method of creating a universal reality is too flawed to be true, after all why should the major rule?

Not to mention all the shit that happens in the world, either someone causes it with actions or with reality creation.

A thought just occured to me, are there power levels of this ability to create reality, the more you train it the stronger it gets, or some people are naturally better than others at it kind of thing? Start small train it up and get stronger at it? Like an unused muscle that's atrophied?
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Maybe that's why we are programmed from an early age to accept the general consensus about the Universe and science and religion, etc. It's not that THEY are more powerful, but that we are not even trying because we "buy into" their paradigm. Not much power is needed if there is nothing conflicting or opposing an idea, is there?
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How do we break free from it then? I have removed all beliefs already but I find it hard to remove doubt and all those preconceived notions about everything. I guess the buddhists got it right when they said first you must learn and then you must forget everything you learnt. The same deal is applied with real martial arts, you learn and make your body learn everything you are taught but when you get your black belt you must forget everything you got taught and start again to create your own style.
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How do we break free from it then? I have removed all beliefs already but I find it hard to remove doubt and all those preconceived notions about everything. I guess the buddhists got it right when they said first you must learn and then you must forget everything you learnt. The same deal is applied with real martial arts, you learn and make your body learn everything you are taught but when you get your black belt you must forget everything you got taught and start again to create your own style.
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I think you answered your own question.
Forget everything you were taught. Start again and create your own style.
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How do we break free from it then? I have removed all beliefs already but I find it hard to remove doubt and all those preconceived notions about everything. I guess the buddhists got it right when they said first you must learn and then you must forget everything you learnt. The same deal is applied with real martial arts, you learn and make your body learn everything you are taught but when you get your black belt you must forget everything you got taught and start again to create your own style.
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I guess it's that we must know what it is we are supposed to forget! Otherwise we will get caught up in the manifestation (effect) rather than the cause. If we don't know what we are supposed to forget, then how do we KNOW anything at all?

That bit about being in the Garden of Eden is a good example. If Man stayed in the Garden with everything he needed, lacking nothing, would he appreciate it? Or would it become so blase` and thus unworthy of his enjoying it? It's like we NEED duality in order to understand ONEness. There is no ONE if there is not TWO, for what would ONE mean if there is nothing with which to compare it?

Again, thinking out loud here, Xenus! hf

EDIT: After Man leaves the Garden and becomes aware of duality, struggles, and hardship, THEN he is supposed to come back to the Garden so he can appreciate it. The lesson was not to become the end all to end all, it was supposed to be like the Buddhists say, come back to square-one and KNOW what it is that makes it square-one.

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In a nutshell, we create our own reality. You attract to you what you think about. This is why poor people stay poor. All they can think about is the fact that they are poor. If they started to think about and tell themselves "I am successful, I have all that I need, I have a job that I am proud of, etc...) even though its not true they would attract to them all that they need to achieve those things. Its very simple really.

The same goes for people who just cant seem to find a partner that they are happy with. If they focus on what they want in a partner and stop focusing on the negatives about the people they are involved with, the fact that they are always rejected, etc they would attract the type of people to them that they want to be with.

You get what you think you are going to get.
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"I think you answered your own question.
Forget everything you were taught. Start again and create your own style."

That is so easy to say but how is it done? I already do things my own way and have been for a long time, forgetting what I know will not help me because I teach myself. I learn anything I am interested in, when it comes to science I use their observations and come to my own conclusions. Of course there are still things which have been coded into my brain but how on Earth do we debug ourselves? How do we deal with the self doubt and uncertainty of it?

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I think you answered your own question.
Forget everything you were taught. Start again and create your own style.

That is so easy to say but how is it done? I already do things my own way and have been for a long time, forgetting what I know will not help me because I teach myself. I learn anything I am interested in, when it comes to science I use their observations and come to my own conclusions. Of course there are still things which have been coded into my brain but how on Earth do we debug ourselves? How do we deal with the self doubt and uncertainty of it?
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Have you ever seen this video, Xenus?

It is awesome and actually explains a great deal about what we've been talking about.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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"I suppose it depends on your definition of what a universe is. The key word would be observable universe. How can those other universes exist if we cannot see them? But if you want to continue that discussion join the other thread."
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User ID: 664885 5/3/2009 3:47 PM Thread: Think Animals Don't Think Like Us? Think Again. (inludes a strange conspiracy) (Page 2)

Just because we didn't have the sensors to perceive it - didn't preclude its existence.
Prior to technological means of perception, all we had to go on were our five (or six) senses, after technological enhancement our senses have indeed revealed more of reality.


First of all you copied and pasted the first post you made from the flu - radiation thread. I don't see how it pertains to a discussion on the nature of our world and reality.
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A more thorough reading of the links will reveal aspects related to both topics.

Secondly, if we cannot perceive it then it does not exist. It only exists if we observe it. Or other living beings do. So far we are all alone in this vast universe. Until we observe otherwise that's how it is. And we still use our senses to observe the data that our machines and inventions collect. This information is still processed within our brains and is stored in our minds.
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Perceive the wind much? What you actually perceive are it's effects. Would other biocentric life be totally revealed through its (misperceived by lack of data) effects?
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"I think you answered your own question.
Forget everything you were taught. Start again and create your own style."

That is so easy to say but how is it done? I already do things my own way and have been for a long time, forgetting what I know will not help me because I teach myself. I learn anything I am interested in, when it comes to science I use their observations and come to my own conclusions. Of course there are still things which have been coded into my brain but how on Earth do we debug ourselves? How do we deal with the self doubt and uncertainty of it?
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I think it's more like just trusting ourselves then letting go in assurance that you got it right, just because it's your own way of doing things, and that's what makes it right.

and to answer your earlier question using this is like exercising muscles to make them stronger, the more you use them the stronger they get.

dealing with self doubt and uncertainty... I suppose if you focus on that it will remain.

How is it done? I don't know. But then I don't understand how my car and computer run, not really, but I trust that they do.
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We can feel the wind on our skin. Sense of touch. We can measure wind speed, observation by machines. How do birds use thermal updraft to glide/fly? Seeing the effects of something is also an observation in itself. Observation can be direct or indirect but regardless it is still observation.

Observation -
1. an act or instance of noticing or perceiving.
2. an act or instance of regarding attentively or watching.
3. the faculty or habit of observing or noticing.
4. notice: to escape a person's observation.
5. an act or instance of viewing or noting a fact or occurrence for some scientific or other special purpose: the observation of blood pressure under stress.
6. the information or record secured by such an act.
7. something that is learned in the course of observing things: My observation is that such clouds mean a storm.
8. a remark, comment, or statement based on what one has noticed or observed.
9. the condition of being observed.

S. I have heard that kind of thing so many times, perhaps that very same video, i got a deja vu like feeling while I was watching that, I had to replace the word god with self in order to watch it lol.
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S. I have heard that kind of thing so many times, perhaps that very same video, i got a deja vu like feeling while I was watching that, I had to replace the word god with self in order to watch it lol.
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Yes, that's quite okay. We're all the same STUFF, anyway! Doesn't matter the words we use. We can even substitute the word "Sub-conscious" for God, if we want, because it is our sub-conscious that obeys all the commands that we give it. :-)

But doesn't that kinda tell ya how we tend to sabotage ourselves daily? We don't even realize HOW we are creating our reality, let alone know how to change it. The very fact that we WANT something, and voice it as such, tells the Universe (Life) that we don't have it...so the Universe agrees with us. The Universe, and thus our reality, is very accommodating! LOL
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what about dreams?

I've always thought that everything that we think about is real. Even dreams. It's like just by having a dream, we are creating a real universe which is just as real as the universe we live in when we are awake.
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what about dreams?

I've always thought that everything that we think about is real. Even dreams. It's like just by having a dream, we are creating a real universe which is just as real as the universe we live in when we are awake.
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It's funny, but while we are dreaming we are definitely feeling it is real. Only when we wake up do we REALize it was a dream. There must be some underlying connection there, as in connecting the dots about "reality".
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Problem is if it truly worked that way the world would be a lot different. There is more to it than meets the senses. If someone was to bring up a child and then the child was taught about the way they could change reality with their thoughts alone and their intent was to, for example, create an infinite wealth for themselves or give them power or something more positive like world peace or unlimited energy, we would see such a drastic change, yet there is no evidence for anything like this.

The whole positive thinking idea has been around for a long time now yet its never created changes in the universal reality, perhaps in personal realities. I'm talking about manipulating the very fabric of our universe, matter. Something is still missing, either we're overlooking it or simply not seeing it. Or maybe it is hidden from us by ourselves or other forces.
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my cat approves that :)


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I believe the human brain is more powerful than we realize.

just recently I've developed a way to trick my brain into thinking I'm touching something just by looking at it. Maybe my brain is getting the sense of sight mixed up with the sense of touch or something... but when I look at an object I've never touched before I somehow have this ability to feel the texture of it and every little crevice or bump. Then I go and touch the object and it is exactly how I 'imagined' it would feel like.
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Problem is if it truly worked that way the world would be a lot different. There is more to it than meets the senses. If someone was to bring up a child and then the child was taught about the way they could change reality with their thoughts alone and their intent was to, for example, create an infinite wealth for themselves or give them power or something more positive like world peace or unlimited energy, we would see such a drastic change, yet there is no evidence for anything like this.

The whole positive thinking idea has been around for a long time now yet its never created changes in the universal reality, perhaps in personal realities. I'm talking about manipulating the very fabric of our universe, matter. Something is still missing, either we're overlooking it or simply not seeing it. Or maybe it is hidden from us by ourselves or other forces.
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but there is no way to prove that what you are saying, that positive thinking has never created changes in the universal reality.... is true.

perhaps without those who hold these ideas and try to work with them the world would be a much suckier place than it appears to be now.

are you saying that because you don't really believe it to be true... then you will never see the evidence, even if it's there?

when I look back at history I see that the universal reality has changed quite a bit.

for one, it's against my constitutional rights to be burned as a witch

that seems a great change and improvement to me!
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what about dreams?

I've always thought that everything that we think about is real. Even dreams. It's like just by having a dream, we are creating a real universe which is just as real as the universe we live in when we are awake.
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Funny you should mention dreams, sometimes I have dreams which seem more real than "reality". It's like a playground for our consciousness. A sandbox where anything can happen and we never truly forget our dreams. I have trouble understanding how thoughts can somehow escape our heads and jump out into the universal reality and affect anything. For all we know we could be remotely connecting to our bodies when we're awake and then our self/consciousness goes back to wherever it really is when we sleep. Quantumn entanglement allows for instant transmission over any distance. Unless your thoughts are projecting outside your head always or something is listening in which is most likely not the case.

Positive thinking and all that are beliefs, take this example, a child has just lost their parent in some accident, can you imagine how badly they would want that parent back? Yet it never happens.

The answer lies somewhere but it has not been found, at least not entirely, because things would be changing a lot faster and more drastically if anyone had discovered how to manipulate universal reality. Then there is also the free will issue.

"but there is no way to prove that what you are saying, that positive thinking has never created changes in the universal reality.... is true."

Look at the state of the world.

The examples you give are changes created by actions of humans, not thought projections of some sort to alter the very matter of reality.

We alter particles simply by observing them, an electron can be anywhere around an atom at any given moment, yet when we observe it, it changes the way it behaves. The very matter reacts to our observation, so why can we not alter it any other way and more pro actively? Is observation the full extent of this ability to alter the universal reality? If it is for what purpose?

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I believe the human brain is more powerful than we realize.

just recently I've developed a way to trick my brain into thinking I'm touching something just by looking at it. Maybe my brain is getting the sense of sight mixed up with the sense of touch or something... but when I look at an object I've never touched before I somehow have this ability to feel the texture of it and every little crevice or bump. Then I go and touch the object and it is exactly how I 'imagined' it would feel like.
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Yes, but we shouldn't have to "trick" our brains, they are tools for us to use, only we do not know how to fully use them. I have experienced many quirks of the brain, optical illusions are fun. Ever remembered a smell? Then there are the really insane people who literally live inside other worlds inside their heads. Seems like a fairly dangerous thing to be tinkering around with when you don't know how to use it, but how are we supposed to learn to use it without instructions of some sort or explanation, unless we experiment?





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