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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81365454 There is no essence of the body, without a part you are crippled or dead. For me it is a spectrum of some sort. You have basic being in the body, which has to be a kind of whole, essence in the in the mental realm/spirit, which is individuality - or is it ? out of body experiences prove you wrong how so ? do you mean to say that they have to be bodily in some form- like astral travelling - or some kind of spiritual event, just a "higher" consciousness. The body is quite convenient, and necessary for causation in this world. IMO the body is a vehicle, you are driving |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 I remember Francis Bacon, author of the New Atlantis, speaking about the "idols" of the many. I do not follow dead people. I only follow them to avoid their mistakes exactly, thats the only original purpose of intelligence: to avoid or get rid of flaws, misconceptions. No mortal or society of mortals can reinvent Reality. It has been there long before and long after everybody will be gone. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 For me it is a spectrum of some sort. You have basic being in the body, which has to be a kind of whole, essence in the in the mental realm/spirit, which is individuality - or is it ? out of body experiences prove you wrong how so ? do you mean to say that they have to be bodily in some form- like astral travelling - or some kind of spiritual event, just a "higher" consciousness. The body is quite convenient, and necessary for causation in this world. IMO the body is a vehicle, you are driving Some people are too lazy too drive, and have figured out to build a robot to drive for them. They have to make choices for that robot so that it can make choices for them. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | exactly, thats the only original purpose of intelligence: to avoid or get rid of flaws, misconceptions. No mortal or society of mortals can reinvent Reality. It has been there long before and long after everybody will be gone. Do you agree that there are layers or sections of this reality ? Or is that question superfluous. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | exactly, thats the only original purpose of intelligence: to avoid or get rid of flaws, misconceptions. No mortal or society of mortals can reinvent Reality. It has been there long before and long after everybody will be gone. Do you agree that there are layers or sections of this reality ? Or is that question superfluous. It is like asking what comes first the depth or the surface ... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how so ? do you mean to say that they have to be bodily in some form- like astral travelling - or some kind of spiritual event, just a "higher" consciousness. The body is quite convenient, and necessary for causation in this world. IMO the body is a vehicle, you are driving Some people are too lazy too drive, and have figured out to build a robot to drive for them. They have to make choices for that robot so that it can make choices for them. the problem with that instead to learn the vehicle one actually drives they waste the precious time on imagination. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81365454 exactly, thats the only original purpose of intelligence: to avoid or get rid of flaws, misconceptions. No mortal or society of mortals can reinvent Reality. It has been there long before and long after everybody will be gone. Do you agree that there are layers or sections of this reality ? Or is that question superfluous. It is like asking what comes first the depth or the surface ... Well, we have to figure out where we are exactly and where we could be heading. Follow the up-arrows in the spiral staircase, or don't. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 how so ? do you mean to say that they have to be bodily in some form- like astral travelling - or some kind of spiritual event, just a "higher" consciousness. The body is quite convenient, and necessary for causation in this world. IMO the body is a vehicle, you are driving Some people are too lazy too drive, and have figured out to build a robot to drive for them. They have to make choices for that robot so that it can make choices for them. the problem with that instead to learn the vehicle one actually drives they waste the precious time on imagination. but these (programmers) people's imagination is also an enormous investment in learning car-driving skills. you could only agree/disagree on the aim of the car driving. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some people are too lazy too drive, and have figured out to build a robot to drive for them. They have to make choices for that robot so that it can make choices for them. the problem with that instead to learn the vehicle one actually drives they waste the precious time on imagination. but these (programmers) people's imagination is also an enormous investment in learning car-driving skills. you could only agree/disagree on the aim of the car driving. again, reality exists without your thoughts, even you exist without thinking/brain. reality is non-verbal ... All thinking is limited with oxymorons and tautologies aka circular reasoning. There is no solution to it. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 Some people are too lazy too drive, and have figured out to build a robot to drive for them. They have to make choices for that robot so that it can make choices for them. the problem with that instead to learn the vehicle one actually drives they waste the precious time on imagination. but these (programmers) people's imagination is also an enormous investment in learning car-driving skills. you could only agree/disagree on the aim of the car driving. again, reality exists without your thoughts, even you exist without thinking/brain. reality is non-verbal ... All thinking is limited with oxymorons and tautologies aka circular reasoning. There is no solution to it. But language is a game we play that somehow accesses reality via semantics. We change ourselves, others and our surroundings with it. I think formal language/logic is just one case of many - logic and our understanding of truth is quite variable as well - but of course that doesn't mean that we can manipulate reality as a whole. It is infinite and eternal. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81365454 the problem with that instead to learn the vehicle one actually drives they waste the precious time on imagination. but these (programmers) people's imagination is also an enormous investment in learning car-driving skills. you could only agree/disagree on the aim of the car driving. again, reality exists without your thoughts, even you exist without thinking/brain. reality is non-verbal ... All thinking is limited with oxymorons and tautologies aka circular reasoning. There is no solution to it. But language is a game we play that somehow accesses reality via semantics. We change ourselves, others and our surroundings with it. I think formal language/logic is just one case of many - logic and our understanding of truth is quite variable as well - but of course that doesn't mean that we can manipulate reality as a whole. It is infinite and eternal. yeah, but back to the topic A.I. is based on thought process alone. There is no intelligence without procedures running. On the other hand meditation proves human exist without thoughts. Now how big of a sociopath superposes a machine on living beings? |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 but these (programmers) people's imagination is also an enormous investment in learning car-driving skills. you could only agree/disagree on the aim of the car driving. again, reality exists without your thoughts, even you exist without thinking/brain. reality is non-verbal ... All thinking is limited with oxymorons and tautologies aka circular reasoning. There is no solution to it. But language is a game we play that somehow accesses reality via semantics. We change ourselves, others and our surroundings with it. I think formal language/logic is just one case of many - logic and our understanding of truth is quite variable as well - but of course that doesn't mean that we can manipulate reality as a whole. It is infinite and eternal. yeah, but back to the topic A.I. is based on thought process alone. There is no intelligence without procedures running. On the other hand meditation proves human exist without thoughts. Now how big of a sociopath superposes a machine on living beings? I see the same ethical question arising when i see the use of weapons, handcuffs, police dogs, cameras, police, spies and informants. The way AI functions is that it is a glorified questionnaire, which you are technically forced to fill out. I think Napoleon or the French revolutionaries enforced that concept for the first time. |
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Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The internet and the AIs in it force you to live in a permanent state of census. Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 the result: society full of control freaks while the actual world outside human society is totally unpredictable. yes every move will be registered, lifetimes will spent to write down what other people are saying or doing. the only limit is processing power and energy - the reality outside is of course also destined to be managed by AI or mechanical turks. every square inch of the planet can have its IP address. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The internet and the AIs in it force you to live in a permanent state of census. Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 the result: society full of control freaks while the actual world outside human society is totally unpredictable. yes every move will be registered, lifetimes will spent to write down what other people are saying or doing. the only limit is processing power and energy - the reality outside is of course also destined to be managed by AI or mechanical turks. every square inch of the planet can have its IP address. how many times have I to state: abstraction is imagination, reality is NOT imagined. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The internet and the AIs in it force you to live in a permanent state of census. Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 the result: society full of control freaks while the actual world outside human society is totally unpredictable. yes every move will be registered, lifetimes will spent to write down what other people are saying or doing. the only limit is processing power and energy - the reality outside is of course also destined to be managed by AI or mechanical turks. every square inch of the planet can have its IP address. how many times have I to state: abstraction is imagination, reality is NOT imagined. But the range of abstraction and imagination varies, and thus our effect on reality. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81365454 the result: society full of control freaks while the actual world outside human society is totally unpredictable. yes every move will be registered, lifetimes will spent to write down what other people are saying or doing. the only limit is processing power and energy - the reality outside is of course also destined to be managed by AI or mechanical turks. every square inch of the planet can have its IP address. how many times have I to state: abstraction is imagination, reality is NOT imagined. But the range of abstraction and imagination varies, and thus our effect on reality. Yes, the tech has been especially thorough with destroying the original environment humans depend on wiht their lives. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You build a machine to watch over other machines. Beware that you don't become one yourself. The truth is the machines mere mechanical systems really need updating to stay useful. But humans are not mechanical, only their bodies are. The trouble with AI science is that it does prove that our thoughts can be mechanized, broken down into logical particles as well, and imitated and replaced. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 yes every move will be registered, lifetimes will spent to write down what other people are saying or doing. the only limit is processing power and energy - the reality outside is of course also destined to be managed by AI or mechanical turks. every square inch of the planet can have its IP address. how many times have I to state: abstraction is imagination, reality is NOT imagined. But the range of abstraction and imagination varies, and thus our effect on reality. Yes, the tech has been especially thorough with destroying the original environment humans depend on wiht their lives. Technology and science can be used to exploit, but also to repair. Maybe both at the same time, see Forestry compared to (other) forms of agriculture. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You build a machine to watch over other machines. Beware that you don't become one yourself. The truth is the machines mere mechanical systems really need updating to stay useful. But humans are not mechanical, only their bodies are. The trouble with AI science is that it does prove that our thoughts can be mechanized, broken down into logical particles as well, and imitated and replaced. Not really, unless your IQ is less than 70. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 You build a machine to watch over other machines. Beware that you don't become one yourself. The truth is the machines mere mechanical systems really need updating to stay useful. But humans are not mechanical, only their bodies are. The trouble with AI science is that it does prove that our thoughts can be mechanized, broken down into logical particles as well, and imitated and replaced. Not really, unless your IQ is less than 70. The AI is still quite childlike, but computers have always acted like idiot savants, good at mathematics and some games. Language skills, vision and speech recognition are getting better. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81365454 how many times have I to state: abstraction is imagination, reality is NOT imagined. But the range of abstraction and imagination varies, and thus our effect on reality. Yes, the tech has been especially thorough with destroying the original environment humans depend on wiht their lives. Technology and science can be used to exploit, but also to repair. Maybe both at the same time, see Forestry compared to (other) forms of agriculture. You keep missing my point, if artificial it destroys the original environment, much more complex than any models. It took the Nature billions of years yet some humans arrogance makes them believe they can fake it in one life span. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 81365454 Slovakia 11/30/2021 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81365454 The truth is the machines mere mechanical systems really need updating to stay useful. But humans are not mechanical, only their bodies are. The trouble with AI science is that it does prove that our thoughts can be mechanized, broken down into logical particles as well, and imitated and replaced. Not really, unless your IQ is less than 70. The AI is still quite childlike, but computers have always acted like idiot savants, good at mathematics and some games. Language skills, vision and speech recognition are getting better. not better, only faster. Not the same! |
Dalek Uno User ID: 80229143 Germany 11/30/2021 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dalek Uno 80229143 But the range of abstraction and imagination varies, and thus our effect on reality. Yes, the tech has been especially thorough with destroying the original environment humans depend on wiht their lives. Technology and science can be used to exploit, but also to repair. Maybe both at the same time, see Forestry compared to (other) forms of agriculture. You keep missing my point, if artificial it destroys the original environment, much more complex than any models. It took the Nature billions of years yet some humans arrogance makes them believe they can fake it in one life span. In Forestry you even think in longer time spans than a single life, i can't think of any kind of that planning outside of Theology (like asking people to pray for you in the next century). Say the destruction stopped tomorrow, you still have to choose how to restore nature, using technology such as AI etc. |
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User ID: 8296444 United States 11/30/2021 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." Winston Churchill Thread: THE NANO/AI/FREQUENCY/BCI MIND CONTROL SYSTEM Thread: Humans are now "hackable animals"? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |