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Annular Eclipses - the data doesn't look right. Solar system shifts?

 
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I was raised in a very religious family and one of the proofs my step-dad (engineer, VP Motorola) would use for intelligent design was that the moon perfectly fit over the sun during an eclipse. Always. It always fit perfectly over the sun.

I have an 8 inch Orion and have always been pointed at the stars and the heavens and the idea of an 'annular' eclipse was a brand new revelation to me somewhere in the past 10 years. I took an astronomy class at the Adler Planetarium in Chicago associated with my DePaul University degree in 1994. We discussed eclipses. We never learned about annular eclipses.

So I started looking at the history of the eclipses and found an interesting discrepancy. Eclipses, in the clockwork Newtonian universe, are absolutely predictable and verifiable to all science with apparent ease... or at least that's what I was taught.

Look at this website. This dude LOVES eclipses.

[link to www.eclipsewise.com]

But for some reason he got them all kinds of wrong for the 21st century.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Also, according to 'eclipsewise' the last 'annular' eclipse was in 1879.

There were ZERO annular eclipses in the 1900's

Wikipedia says there have been 18 annular eclipses since 2001 which 'eclipsewise' doesn't mention.

Seems weird.
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I realize 'Eclipsewise' is maybe using incomplete data. Does anyone have any eclipse history resources?
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I realize 'Eclipsewise' is maybe using incomplete data. Does anyone have any eclipse history resources?
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I find it strange that so many full solar eclipses are happening in recent years. Didn't they used to be rare???
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I realize 'Eclipsewise' is maybe using incomplete data. Does anyone have any eclipse history resources?
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I find it strange that so many full solar eclipses are happening in recent years. Didn't they used to be rare???
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That was my recollection for sure.
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I realize 'Eclipsewise' is maybe using incomplete data. Does anyone have any eclipse history resources?
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I find it strange that so many full solar eclipses are happening in recent years. Didn't they used to be rare???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79051652


That was my recollection for sure.
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Maybe time to go back to your spiritual roots: signs in the sun and the moon...
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I realize 'Eclipsewise' is maybe using incomplete data. Does anyone have any eclipse history resources?
 Quoting: Chuckles


I find it strange that so many full solar eclipses are happening in recent years. Didn't they used to be rare???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79051652


That was my recollection for sure.
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Maybe time to go back to your spiritual roots: signs in the sun and the moon...
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My roots have grown into a beautiful tree. :)
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Not sure I think if you turn his theories around that every now and then they fall apart.
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Not sure I think if you turn his theories around that every now and then they fall apart.
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Huh?
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Its about the eclipse of your heart and mind. You are the lens to witness.

Take it at face value
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Well we did actually overlay the new universe so there is new things! It’s fun finding them! Now we have these awesome ring eclipses! 5* this is a new thing, not a mandeller effect, but similar.

This site has all the upcoming ones:

[link to www.timeanddate.com (secure)]
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We are gonna need a smilie, I’ve already uploaded one and waiting for approval:

:annulareclipse:
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It is something for to which is lost in translation.

We lose our past history so quick in these times that much confusions keep stemming form this.

We have a thing now where many experts are just making things up or combining several conflicting theories with a fancy picture to drag the suckers in.
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Well we did actually overlay the new universe so there is new things! It’s fun finding them! Now we have these awesome ring eclipses! 5* this is a new thing, not a mandeller effect, but similar.

This site has all the upcoming ones:

[link to www.timeanddate.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Lover_Girl


So many new things!
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We are gonna need a smilie, I’ve already uploaded one and waiting for approval:

:annulareclipse:
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Tiny Planet
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Everything is meant to change
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Maybe this....
The Galaxic equator...our galaxy is a spinning disc, and has an equator. Our solar system crosses this equator about every 36,000years...Water goes down the drain clockwise in earths northern hemisphiere and counter clockwise in the southern. Basic phyisics....What happenes to the rotation of the planets if our solar system was to cross the Galaxic equator? The same as water down the drain on earth?? Spinning one way today, the other way tomorrow?? The physics of momentem say the oceans and the crust of the earth would keep going in the same direction it was going for a while if the earth changed its rotation. Earths geology may show us...Look at the west coast of the USA...from the ocean to Utah is all old sea bed...Maybe the Grand canyon wasnt formed over millions of years but 100's due to the recceding sea from a change in the rotation of earth.
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The planets are not in line.

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The planets are not in line.

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I believe we are wobbling like a drunkard. I think the eclipses are a way of showing proof of that.
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[I find it strange that so many full solar eclipses are happening in recent years. Didn't they used to be rare???
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That was my recollection for sure.


Maybe time to go back to your spiritual roots: signs in the sun and the moon...


My roots have grown into a beautiful tree. :)


bump - something very interesting happening


soon?
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[link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)]

Nasa lists 30 eclipses 2001-2020
Wikipedia lists 43 eclipses 2001-2020

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[link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)]

Nasa lists 30 eclipses 2001-2020
Wikipedia lists 43 eclipses 2001-2020

Seems like we should trust the science.
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Actually Nasa is not listing partial eclipses so the data agree.
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The Milky Way galaxy is part of the Latakia supercluster and we drift over time so we may have moved dramatically recently from something happening far away that moved everything in the galaxies cluster ranges or something
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I was raised in a very religious family and one of the proofs my step-dad (engineer, VP Motorola) would use for intelligent design was that the moon perfectly fit over the sun during an eclipse. Always. It always fit perfectly over the sun.
 Quoting: Chuckles


It does, huh?

[imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
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I realize 'Eclipsewise' is maybe using incomplete data. Does anyone have any eclipse history resources?
 Quoting: Chuckles


I find it strange that so many full solar eclipses are happening in recent years. Didn't they used to be rare???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79051652


That was my recollection for sure.
 Quoting: Chuckles


Well from one neighborhood yeah, but for the world they happen like every year


Hence why they have to call the 2024 eclipse the 'great American solar eclipse'

...because it happens over America
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Don’t you have your eyes open people??? Sometimes the moon is the size of a marble and at other times it is the size of a golf ball from your location... Yet when there is a solar eclipse we are expected to believe that the sun and the moon are always the exact same size.

Do this simple experiment to prove that there is some serious deception going on with regards to the truth of our so called solar system:

On a full moon night take the temperature of the lighted area of the moonlight and take the temperature of a shaded area. You will find the shaded area is warmer than the lit moonlight area. So if the moon is reflecting the sunlight as they tell us then it should be warmer but it is not. Do it, I dare you!

Also, notice that in the morning you will sometimes see the moon straight up and the sun is right there coming up... Yet sometimes the moon is full, sometimes its a sliver, sometimes its half. Yet you can literally see the sun and the moon just a foot or two away from each other from your perspective. Again, we are not being told the truth at all about anything!!!!!!
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Don’t you have your eyes open people??? Sometimes the moon is the size of a marble and at other times it is the size of a golf ball from your location... Yet when there is a solar eclipse we are expected to believe that the sun and the moon are always the exact same size.

Do this simple experiment to prove that there is some serious deception going on with regards to the truth of our so called solar system:

On a full moon night take the temperature of the lighted area of the moonlight and take the temperature of a shaded area. You will find the shaded area is warmer than the lit moonlight area. So if the moon is reflecting the sunlight as they tell us then it should be warmer but it is not. Do it, I dare you!

Also, notice that in the morning you will sometimes see the moon straight up and the sun is right there coming up... Yet sometimes the moon is full, sometimes its a sliver, sometimes its half. Yet you can literally see the sun and the moon just a foot or two away from each other from your perspective. Again, we are not being told the truth at all about anything!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77843162


the moon always seems the same size to me except for when it's distorted on the horizon because of pollution

[link to www.forbes.com (secure)]


How long does the morning moon last?

The best times to see a daytime moon is just after a full moon, when it’s big and bright and, crucially, positioned relatively low above the western horizon. However, it’s there, somewhere, most days—it’s just hard to see when it’s not much illuminated. Plus, the slimmer the moon, the closer it is to the sun, so it gets lost in the glare. The ultimate example of that is just before and after new moon, when a 1% illuminated crescent moon is in the sky, but very close to the sun, before sunrise (before new moon) or after sunset (after new moon). It’s almost impossible to see, but worth hunting for.


[link to epod.usra.edu (secure)]

We all know that shade is cooler than sunny areas. But did you know that the same shady areas are warmer at night than open areas?

Sunlight heats the Earth’s surface but in the shade it stays cooler. At night the situation is reverse. Shaded areas remain warmer than those exposed to the sky. The surface cools at night because energy from sunlight is radiated out to space in the 10-micron (wavelength) region of the spectrum. Caves cannot radiate to the sky because they're surrounded by rock. As a result, they stay warmer at night.
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I just read an article about this.

They explained that the moon wasn't as close to the earth, so that is why it doesn't cover it...and then they talked about how the full moon on the 24th is a "super moon.

All in the same article.

Super means close...right?
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OP said annular

Do I have to be the first to chuckle immaturely at that?

Fyi OP,
Everything always shifts during annular.

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I was raised in a very religious family and one of the proofs my step-dad (engineer, VP Motorola) would use for intelligent design was that the moon perfectly fit over the sun during an eclipse. Always. It always fit perfectly over the sun.
 Quoting: Chuckles


It does, huh?

[imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80320974


Yep. It does. Very tight fit.


What are the odds?


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Don’t you have your eyes open people??? Sometimes the moon is the size of a marble and at other times it is the size of a golf ball from your location... Yet when there is a solar eclipse we are expected to believe that the sun and the moon are always the exact same size.

Do this simple experiment to prove that there is some serious deception going on with regards to the truth of our so called solar system:

On a full moon night take the temperature of the lighted area of the moonlight and take the temperature of a shaded area. You will find the shaded area is warmer than the lit moonlight area. So if the moon is reflecting the sunlight as they tell us then it should be warmer but it is not. Do it, I dare you!

Also, notice that in the morning you will sometimes see the moon straight up and the sun is right there coming up... Yet sometimes the moon is full, sometimes its a sliver, sometimes its half. Yet you can literally see the sun and the moon just a foot or two away from each other from your perspective. Again, we are not being told the truth at all about anything!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77843162


the moon always seems the same size to me except for when it's distorted on the horizon because of pollution

[link to www.forbes.com (secure)]

but..but... muh CO2!
How long does the morning moon last?

The best times to see a daytime moon is just after a full moon, when it’s big and bright and, crucially, positioned relatively low above the western horizon. However, it’s there, somewhere, most days—it’s just hard to see when it’s not much illuminated. Plus, the slimmer the moon, the closer it is to the sun, so it gets lost in the glare. The ultimate example of that is just before and after new moon, when a 1% illuminated crescent moon is in the sky, but very close to the sun, before sunrise (before new moon) or after sunset (after new moon). It’s almost impossible to see, but worth hunting for.


[link to epod.usra.edu (secure)]

We all know that shade is cooler than sunny areas. But did you know that the same shady areas are warmer at night than open areas?

Sunlight heats the Earth’s surface but in the shade it stays cooler. At night the situation is reverse. Shaded areas remain warmer than those exposed to the sky. The surface cools at night because energy from sunlight is radiated out to space in the 10-micron (wavelength) region of the spectrum. Caves cannot radiate to the sky because they're surrounded by rock. As a result, they stay warmer at night.

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Don’t you have your eyes open people??? Sometimes the moon is the size of a marble and at other times it is the size of a golf ball from your location... Yet when there is a solar eclipse we are expected to believe that the sun and the moon are always the exact same size.

Do this simple experiment to prove that there is some serious deception going on with regards to the truth of our so called solar system:

On a full moon night take the temperature of the lighted area of the moonlight and take the temperature of a shaded area. You will find the shaded area is warmer than the lit moonlight area. So if the moon is reflecting the sunlight as they tell us then it should be warmer but it is not. Do it, I dare you!

Also, notice that in the morning you will sometimes see the moon straight up and the sun is right there coming up... Yet sometimes the moon is full, sometimes its a sliver, sometimes its half. Yet you can literally see the sun and the moon just a foot or two away from each other from your perspective. Again, we are not being told the truth at all about anything!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77843162


the moon always seems the same size to me except for when it's distorted on the horizon because of pollution

[link to www.forbes.com (secure)]

but..but... muh CO2!
How long does the morning moon last?

The best times to see a daytime moon is just after a full moon, when it’s big and bright and, crucially, positioned relatively low above the western horizon. However, it’s there, somewhere, most days—it’s just hard to see when it’s not much illuminated. Plus, the slimmer the moon, the closer it is to the sun, so it gets lost in the glare. The ultimate example of that is just before and after new moon, when a 1% illuminated crescent moon is in the sky, but very close to the sun, before sunrise (before new moon) or after sunset (after new moon). It’s almost impossible to see, but worth hunting for.


[link to epod.usra.edu (secure)]

We all know that shade is cooler than sunny areas. But did you know that the same shady areas are warmer at night than open areas?

Sunlight heats the Earth’s surface but in the shade it stays cooler. At night the situation is reverse. Shaded areas remain warmer than those exposed to the sky. The surface cools at night because energy from sunlight is radiated out to space in the 10-micron (wavelength) region of the spectrum. Caves cannot radiate to the sky because they're surrounded by rock. As a result, they stay warmer at night.

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