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Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China

 
Larphillips

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I fail to understand how the Chinese refusing to buy our agricultural exports would ‘bankrupt’ farmers. Heavy agri exporting to China is a recent phenomenon. Prior to a few decades ago, they were hardly a blip on a spreadsheet, and farmers had plenty of customers. While I understand that China presents a huge opportunity of NEW customers, the old customers never went anywhere.
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Re: Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China
it's Trump's fault


his stupid trade war ruined everything.


ask American farmers if they being shut of from the biggest economy in the world


Trump out all Farmer's on walfare
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Why are you posting under an American flag when you don't speak English.

Try harder.

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Re: Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China
It's alright, since it is agricultural products (I'm guessing grain of some sort)they will be back because they will need the food supply at some point or another. At that time, the price should be raised to make up for any lost/spoiled/rotted product that was not shipped (plus a little just to say don't fuck with us anymore).

Food is one thing people will pay dearly for if supply is short. With a kazillion mouths to feed, China doesn't have more than a few options available to them. They'll be back soon to ask that we fill those containers again. Be patient.
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Remember how many millions of their own people the CCP deliberately starved in the 20th century. They ran a brutal propaganda campaign which was very effective. There is no public record of how many were killed, but it is believed to be in the millions.

If they'll do it to their own kind, they'll do it to anyone.
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time to bring manufacturing home to america

get to work everyone

support amazon alternatives

buy local

stop buying crap from crap countries making crap

your participation enables these companies
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hesright
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You can't bring manufacturing back home. Its impossible except you want to design a computer or device that doesn't use rare earth metals. If you want to buy rare earth metals from China, you have to do business in China.
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Whole ton of products that don't use rare earth metals to manufacture that can be made in the US.

It is not impossible to manufacture in the US and be competitive. You just have to have some brains and be efficient.
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01/26/2021 05:00 PM
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Lots of china shills floating around spewing china bullshit.

Fuck off china shills, you lost.

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For all the retards that think china is the only source of rare earth metals.
Bullshit.

China is the cheapest source because they put so little value on himan life.

USA has more than enough to supply the world if needed.

Fuck off china shills.
You lost.

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Rejected or tampered with and sent back damned
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01/26/2021 05:09 PM
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Re: Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China
Explain.
 Quoting: President For Life Bill Wick


Not much export to china. China starve.

Unfortunately, while they starve we have to fight for life.

We get a choice, they do not.
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Kind of like chemo therapy. We must eliminate the communist cancer.
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time to bring manufacturing home to america

get to work everyone

support amazon alternatives

buy local

stop buying crap from crap countries making crap

your participation enables these companies
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Agree. All nations can re-start industrialization, using latest tech, and take care of people's needs. Let China make everything is a huge threat to all.
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Lots of china shills floating around spewing china bullshit.

Fuck off china shills, you lost.

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Qhiding
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it's Trump's fault


his stupid trade war ruined everything.


ask American farmers if they being shut of from the biggest economy in the world


Trump out all Farmer's on walfare
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It's a GOOD thing for America and farmers....
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Re: Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China
time to bring manufacturing home to america

get to work everyone

support amazon alternatives

buy local

stop buying crap from crap countries making crap

your participation enables these companies
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As long as our country is in the hands of a criminal terrorist organization. I will not ever buy anything made in America if I can help it.

But I can see you espouse Pedo joes EO to buy American.
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01/26/2021 05:57 PM
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OK, I've actually posted this link to the Baltic Dry Index site I check in on frequently. This is something to watch in regards to commodities and shipping.

[link to tradingeconomics.com (secure)]
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01/26/2021 06:32 PM
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Explain.
 Quoting: President For Life Bill Wick


It is quite simple.

Bankrupt the farmers then buy up their farms.

China always in it for the long run, and if some of their people die, it is win-win (1.3 B people).
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Re: Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China
it's Trump's fault


his stupid trade war ruined everything.


ask American farmers if they being shut of from the biggest economy in the world


Trump out all Farmer's on walfare
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66514619


YOU THOUGHT YOU WAS GONNA BE EATING CHEESEBURGERs

FOR-EVER

???

BE A FUKKIN FARMER, FLIPPIN BURGERS. OBESITY

NFL-TARDS
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01/26/2021 06:40 PM

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time to bring manufacturing home to america

get to work everyone

support amazon alternatives

buy local

stop buying crap from crap countries making crap

your participation enables these companies
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Buy American made products ...
People don't care how much You know ... till they know how much You care ...
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Re: Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China
China is willing to pay shippers more money to send them back empty containers than our exporters/farmers can afford to pay the shippers to get their goods to China.

This started in June 2020.


- Carriers rejected an estimated 177,938 containers known as TEUs (20-foot equivalent units) in October and November, according to analysis of data compiled from the Census Bureau and the ports of Los Angeles, Long Beach, California, and New York and New Jersey.

Shipping carriers rejected U.S. agricultural export containers worth hundreds of millions of dollars during October and November, instead sending empty containers back to China to be filled with more profitable Chinese exports.

The refusals come during the peak season for agriculture exports.
While U.S. agricultural exports run continuously for 12 months, the months of November through March are critical.
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 Quoting: Cap’n Obvious



China is trying to starve the farmers as well as it's needy citizens. When our farmers go broke they and gates can then buy the farms at auction prices. It's called monetary warfare. When they own the farms they can either shut them down or ship the grains for free to China. And get it citizens shipped there to farm. More than likely the military sort.
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It's war on the US meant to destroy the economy and food supplies. We can do more than retaliate.

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Somebody break this down for me. What exactly is it saying?
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War. All roads lead to war.
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China is willing to pay shippers more money to send them back empty containers than our exporters/farmers can afford to pay the shippers to get their goods to China.

This started in June 2020.


- Carriers rejected an estimated 177,938 containers known as TEUs (20-foot equivalent units) in October and November, according to analysis of data compiled from the Census Bureau and the ports of Los Angeles, Long Beach, California, and New York and New Jersey.

Shipping carriers rejected U.S. agricultural export containers worth hundreds of millions of dollars during October and November, instead sending empty containers back to China to be filled with more profitable Chinese exports.

The refusals come during the peak season for agriculture exports.
While U.S. agricultural exports run continuously for 12 months, the months of November through March are critical.

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 Quoting: Cap’n Obvious


like with Covid they were trying to crash the economy and get xiden elected.
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Re: Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China
it's Trump's fault


his stupid trade war ruined everything.


ask American farmers if they being shut of from the biggest economy in the world


Trump out all Farmer's on walfare
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66514619


This isn't correct.

Am involved in transport, farm chemicals are starting to move here soon and then it will move all throughout the midwest.

I get to have a fair number of conversations with actual family owned farms, (usually the owner's or a Son, Daughter, etc) everything I've been told, profits are finally being made instead of a steady stream of break even years.

I've no idea what will happen this fall when I talk with them, but so far I've heard nothing but happiness, for the last 3 plus years.
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I think it was Jeff Bazos who wants to invest in mining asteroids. It's supposed to be the next upcoming technology
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Re: Must read: Some major crap going on with US exports to China
Explain.
 Quoting: President For Life Bill Wick


It is quite simple.

Bankrupt the farmers then buy up their farms.

China always in it for the long run, and if some of their people die, it is win-win (1.3 B people).
 Quoting: Tree of Life


There might be a lot of truth here..

I've always wondered why we allowed foreign countries to be involved with Real Estate, own a company location here, sure, but ya rent the ground and building. Should be as simple as that.. Same for housing, if your a citizen, no issues. Foreign Company - Rent/Lease Foreign citizen - Rent/Lease.

Then there is the situation in Vancouver Real Estate..

Am guessing this isn't by accident..
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Remember how many millions of their own people the CCP deliberately starved in the 20th century. They ran a brutal propaganda campaign which was very effective. There is no public record of how many were killed, but it is believed to be in the millions.

If they'll do it to their own kind, they'll do it to anyone.
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China is still an ultra-liberal, hard-left nation that honors a ruthless, inhumane leftwing tyrant named Mao Tse-tung. His image glowers over the entrance to the Forbidden City in Beijing and is imprinted on Chinese currency.

Now that we have a Manchurian Candidate in the White House, Maoism has a firmer standing in the United States.

All due to the wonders and glories of liberalism/leftism/progressivism/libtardism/Communism.
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Lots of china shills floating around spewing china bullshit.

Fuck off china shills, you lost.

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wise yoda
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Somebody break this down for me. What exactly is it saying?
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War. All roads lead to war.
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When nobody knows what's going on, there's nothing left but WAR.

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Somebody break this down for me. What exactly is it saying?
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War. All roads lead to war.
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When nobody knows what's going on, there's nothing left but WAR.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79710472


Actually - do you know the rates to get a container from China now? It used to be a rate of $2200 from China to us port. By rejecting containers, they have tripled the price for US to get containers to China to pick up things such as Glass for Wine bottles, and now Aluminum cans (because US is over capacity at the plants for Ball and Crown - meaning all cans in excess have to be bought from S. Korea or China or Egypt)
They are effectively playing a chess game here. Don't accept ships/containers. And when US needs goods the containers cost 3X more at $9000 a container! Now put this into perspective. You buy glass bottles - 750ml 12pk box. You can only fit 16 pallets (112cases per pallet)on a truck. the glass cost $5.00 case. You have 1792 cases of glass bottles. take $9000 divide by 1792cs that is $5.13 per case added to the price of glass. Now each case of glass costs the US. $10.13. Where as previously 1752 cases divide by old shipping costs it was $1.14 per case. Ok Glass was sold at $6.14 case.

You see this. That is just $3.99 more for a case of glass bottles (with no wine in it). Now that increase effects your Wine Price. Your bottle wine that was $7.99 increased to $10.00 a bottle. Hits the USA working person at their wallet.
Now mulitply 70 containers a month for wine large winery Freight is a total of $630,000. your cost of goods was $613.000 your freight cost more than your goods!!!
Does this make sense to you all?
I tried to break this down to show you how dramatic the pricing is going to change for goods in the USA.
Wine was a prime example. But imagine on a larger scale? all goods are getting charged $9000 in freight costs!
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Somebody break this down for me. What exactly is it saying?
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War. All roads lead to war.
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When nobody knows what's going on, there's nothing left but WAR.

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stoner
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It's winter so nothing to ship dummies
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It's winter so nothing to ship dummies
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the U.S. should make South America its Winter Breadbasket.
High Priority, next to make our own Computer Chips.

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