Notes from an "alternate universe": The Revelation of the Real World

So the common time measurements hpurs/minutes/seconds, and the Gregorian calendar are obviously inaccurate and not-so-much perspective-centric. Is there a calendar extant that's more accurate/better to use like the lunar calendar or a solstice calendar?

I was rereading the 2009 version of ecsys. org. Is there any way you could expand on "particulate" in the matter = particulate (energy ^2 / energy) + gravity equation?

It says "[g]ravity's 'force' is lessened upon interaction with particles, creating repulsion. Particles more structured than gravity, such as light, it will repel." What is "a particle," where I assume particulate is plural particle. Or is a particle a "piece" of matter, because I don't understand how a particle could be more structured than gravity if it's singular particulate and particulate is structure

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Alien narrative begins?? More popcorn! I guess it is 3 months to November now. Hm, cycles.

Wow sounds great so Jesus just paid his debt then?

How is the NooNet different? Isn't it a mental technology?

Thank you. I would be interested in hearing of new developments.

Yep.. right into the loonie bin! :O

Both are ways to build systems of one's 'extasense', or sense of existing. However, the four primary forces of life ("existence", as we know it) can be more easily represented by the four symbols of Neuronics, needing less Chaos to fill the blanks.

In either, it seems that the drive is to figure out how it works rather than realising it is only a structure that can be filled in an endless variety of ways. (e.g., you do not 'find it' but make it up as you go along.)

There is no exact time, as it is just something that we make up. It is more of a sense. One calendar is just as inaccurate as an other. However, the current false calendar is more useful than the previous 'true' one, as it is the one we base much of our current physical reality on.

I wanted to highlight the deception because it points to something that will become more obvious in a few years (a point in time that I have made up). We neither live in the 21st century nor the 11th.

As the years pass I understand more how the things we think make up existence are both Chaos and fiction. The nature of light or gravity, for example.

It is all born in perspective. You have the power to make it whatever you will.

Much of it is conditioning, a la the "NPC" meme of the Cult's own creation before getting populations to turn themselves into NPCs soon after. This is done endlessly, and few bother to notice.

As I've before said, they use your mind to produce reality. (Reality comes from you, of course, and they are an aspect of what you are.) When we give something attention we are giving it life, even birth.

You are free, at any time, to tell that aspect of yourself to STFU.

'Aliens are real' because the Cult wants people to become alien ('transhuman').

Yes. The language we use now is also a mental technology, as are many things. "A World of Freedom and Prosperity Limits Technology and Media" is more about limiting the use of technology and media to human scale. Technologies that allow us to produce far beyond such a limit would be forbidden, for example.

Much of what the New World wanted was based on electricity. In the Old World it had been known for quite a long time but was forbidden. People understood that such technologies should not be used because of how easily it could take things out of balance. Media is the same.

I was in the dark on this connection between Neuronics and such so I'm glad that someone asked. Looking at the website again and form what you said Things make more sense.

I was thinking of making my own calendar, or at least my own daily time. Toying with the idea, just for funsies



I see, thank you



Ha ha ... yeah.

The more something is used, the more it is useful. I'm having a difficult time understanding how to use Neuronics, so am having a difficult time making it useful.

I know it's just fear. Fear of failure, sure, but also fear of "greatness." The former is seemingly much easier to dispel than the latter, especially with the acceptance method. If I "fail," nothing really changes. If I don't... well, everything does. I don't know which is worse; I recognize the latter as being "better" or preferable from a conscious POV, but obviously whatever I'm doing advocates for more of the same. So the choice is made.

Somewhere in here it's "something something, I don't deserve to 'get what I want' or 'do great things,'" though I know intellectually that "deservedness" is irrelevant.

Somewhere also the "filled in an endless variety of ways" is daunting, that's something I'm not used to being aware of. I sometimes lament being at the relative "beginning" of this stuff, I've always been much better at tweaking others' systems than making my own ("consciously," I know I've all ways "made my own"). On one hand, I'd rather have others figure it out and then I can tweak things to make it work for me. On the other, I'm tired of waiting, been doing that for ever. On a third, I know it doesn't need to be "figured out."

Apologies for venting, I have nowhere else to talk about this stuff. The people I love think I'm



insane, and my Self doesn't communicate in a way I understand.

Feel free to ask about whatever you might find confusing. My explanations are often obfuscated (in consideration of the domain that we are in and how viral Chaos can be) as a general practice but sometimes things can be clarified more if only the question is asked.

As well, as time goes on and I become more comfortable with the nature of Chaos and exert more mastership of it, more things can be revealed while other obfuscations take their place. This is all being done in your perspective, of course, and I am just a part of that.

Go for it. Please let me know your experiences, if you do.

One of many examples:

Day 1: August 12th 12:00 AM to 11:59 AM
Day 2: August 12th 12:00 PM to 11:59 PM
Day 3: August 13th 12:00 AM to 11:59 AM
Day 4: August 13th 12:00 PM to 11:59 PM
and so on;

or even ..

Day 1: August 12th through August 18th
Day 2: August 19th through August 25th
and so on,
with days being now-hours, and hours being now-minutes

The more it makes sense from where you are, the more life it can have from where you are.

You can also produce an event for day 0 and make up the narrative as you go along.

A more amusing take...

Counting days is pure chaos.

Chaol can you remind me, what are you doing with this interaction called life?

Life is spent influencing others, what interactions makes you wholly?

How routinely are you?

You are where you are because your 'highest' thought understands that it is the best place for you to be right now. (More accurately, it is the perspective which takes the least complex relationships.) Again, forgetting can be far more valuable than remembering. We, naturally, do not want to actually grow/evolve/whatever, as that would be drifting towards a loss of the sense of existence. Forgetting and then creating drama to forget even more is where it's at.

It's probably not what is wanted to be heard, but it is what it is. The prospect of growth/evolution is what feels good on the surface but it is rarely what we would subconsciously choose.

In other words, if 'true' material about reality, the self, etc., was a collection of books it would be the least popular section of any bookstore. We would much rather understand something like 'The Law of Attraction' or whatever, in fear of our own existence.

Re-building the kind of humanity that came before. One that is more based on mind rather than what we see as physicality.

Each has its role in this, even the Cult. (For it would be easier to transition from a self-governing civilisation to one governed artificially than it would to transition from the tyranny of artificial government to self-governance. The biggest obstacle to the imaginary 'peace on Earth' that most of us think we want is our own self and our lack of desire for such a state. Enter the Cult, there to burn down the forest when no one else would dare to do what needs to be done for the balance to return.)

How would we know that we are more than what we physically appear to be? If the theory of evolution is a theory (and not true) then where does humanity come from? We are born in the metaphysical world. It is something I am compelled to see around me, not just when I am sleeping. For that to happen, it must be everywhere.

Why re-build? What is the purpose? There is no purpose. It doesn't need to be done, but it is that which is, for me, easiest to do.

If I was a home builder, it would be easier for me to build a house with my hands than it would to sit on my butt. Nothing else would make sense to do. Sitting on my butt would take far more energy, so to speak.

I create... then destroy... then create again, just as we breathe in order to sense the life that obscures our want of existence.


When I am hungry and full of energy, sensing the Chaos and Order of and around me.

About 40% of when I sleep, and 20% of when I do not.

Thing is, I do not really want to grow/evolve/learn. If anything, it seems I want to 'regress,' as I want things to be (similar to) the way they were before. I'd think someone who wants to learn would want to learn how to deal with their problems differently than that. Or, I want to stay exactly the same as I just want 'who I am now' to be surrounded by what I now perceive to the 'the past.'

There's only the illusion of wanting to learn neuronics or understand how they work, I don't really want to as I don't really want to be 'superhuman.' Teleportation, telepathy, shape-shifting and the like are very neat, I'm not interested in doing them atm, I'm interested in perceiving 2012 and using very physically-based logic to build some things from there. If '2022 me' found themselves in '2012' and intended to use physical logic to build some things, the only difference between that and the 'first time' is that I'd recognize that I could choose to do things differently if I wanted to. That's it, really

The drive to understand how neuronics works is just a proxy for actually using it, because using it would actually probably lead to "understanding" (though I actually don't get, from here, how to use them), which is more toward "remembering," which is not what the self is wont to do.

I don't even want to know how to 'time travel,' I wouldn't want to do it again after I 'get to 2012,' as I want to make different mistakes and have different drama and knowing how to 'time travel' puts the game on very-easy-mode. That's not what I want. It just seems I need to know how to do it ... to do it. And it seems I need to know how to do it to keep my memories from 'now' when I'm 'then' in order to do things differently (not better or worse, just differently)



And yet here I am. Whether or not it's a proxy for other things, I'm looking toward the least popular section after having had exhausted everything else. I can't even go back to the other sections, which, I'll be honest, I sort of hate. I sense that my Self really doesn't want to 'know' about this, but having had been exposed to it, I cannot find fulfillment in other systems (science, law of attraction, whatever), either. It's paralyzing. I am paralyzed.

I think things would've been better if, in 2020, I never got the notion that I could 'go back,' if I didn't become convinced of it, if I didn't look through and try every system I could find, if I didn't find minute 'sucess,' if I didn't come across this material. But I did, and here I am, because that's what took the least complex relationships, and it's turned into something so much bigger than it began as. Originally, I just wanted to 'go back' to avoid a relationship that culminated in violence. Now, I see how I could build a place that I'd want to exist and raise my children in amongst a culture that I don't agree with. I just see the easiest path to that as 'starting' in 2012. I'm here, and I don't want to "learn" but I do want to use this to that end. Again I see so clearly how to do things to that end from 2012, just don't see how to bridge 'now' and '2012.'

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I am a big believer in we suffer more in our imagination than in physicality.

How else do people get a sense of metaphysical world. The ones that are apparent are dreams, and day dreaming.

And how can I use the metaphysical world to manipulate physical in almost 'real' time.

I keep trying to imagine and attract the perfect door mat, still approaching the path of least resistance yet.

Also with staring into own eyes in mirror. Almost gave me the sense that a dream body is also starring in the mirror at the same time. Have a thought to bond both realities as they are co-existing but hard to remember.

Your sleep routine is only 40% similar to yesterday?

And your day is only 20% reflective of yesterday?

Based on actions or just interpretations of signals?

That's what I'm saying; we don't really want to grow, but only believe that we do.

Real "evolution" is approaching the Absolute, which is something to be avoided entirely.

Practical growth is Chaos, whereby we divide our selves up and forget we did just that.


Learning is irrelevant. Counter-intuitive to most, I'm sure.

The only thing that really matters is whether or not the systems you build for yourself are enough to sustain your life.

There is life, but not existence.


I'm well aware that, to most, the things I present are mere curiosities and do not inspire others to be productive.

Most just want to 'know', to keep themselves busy in the ways they have chosen to.

Out of 100,000 people that read this material there would be, perhaps, 5 or 6 that would use it to create some kind of value in their lives beyond curiosity.

I am doing it for my Self, however, so I am not so concerned about that. Illustrating my thoughts in these ways (posts, websites, etc.) is one main way that I interact with my exoself.

Superhumanism is not about telepathy, teleportation, etc., but a more efficient consciousness. There is no real physicality, only consciousness. Physicality is a kind of Chaos, there to disrupt and distract from what we really are. Garden of Eden and all that.

(And shape-shifting is a myth, mostly produced by the Cult to disrupt your reality and break down your will by conditioning you to think that your perspective is not the total reality.)


Exactly.

And, similarly, any of us could, at any time, make all the troubles in our lives disappear in an instant. (But we wouldn't want to.)

Chaos (and drama) distract us from being the Absolute because we need the distraction in order to have life, for true existence is imperceptible.

Order is just a more organised and efficient form of life.


Do you think you really want to bridge 'now' and '2012', or is your desire the narrative that serves as the best distraction for now?

There are number of Stoic letters and quotes about this concept. (I'm somewhat appreciative of stoicism, though it is self-contradictory to a degree.)


And thoughts themselves, which lead to questions of whether or not our perceptions are physical and whether or not we would actually be able to sense a physical reality.


Yes. As I talk about in earlier posts, the journey is what we're interested in, not the destination.

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I interpreted your question as, "How routinely are you [wholly]?"

So, about 40% of when I sleep, and 20% of when I do not.

Thank you for the extensive write up on my attempt.
I've been integrating it into my understanding; that we write history as we observe it

Something I'm struggling with:
Why do you build?

How to handle anonymity?
There's this drive to produce things for others, but I know there are other paths to feeling alive.
I don't like the concept of interacting with others in order to feel alive (rife with chaos and liability with all the narratives amuck)

I acknowledge that most of the time I'm swayed left and right by the exoself and chaotic influences: what confuses me is, what's next?

The main thing left to do is to make illusory money to buy illusory ownership of ever-changing land borders - this is the current narrative I have to sustain my existence.

There are subnarratives I'm building (with mild success at the moment) and frankly I feel like I'm in a better place with this knowledge of reality is perspective, so thank you.

While you're building do you ever find yourself at a Critical Point where the perception can bend either way - the zenith between the old perspective and the new. Right now I find myself there. It's strange!

What's next?
What are you building, why?
...do you want help?

If one was to reach that destination would life just seem fake?



Fair enough, please refresh what is peak wholly?

What is a thought exercise that you could share with me that you think fits me.

I am a thinker. Looking to tinker, w reality.

With all chaos coming at me, what can you say here that will have me on my thinking dream toes. Catch some of that life between two realities or something special.

Then I guess what I don't understand is how to divide my self up in a way that I'd 'prefer' in consideration of my 'conscious self.'

Since "learning" is forgetting, the question is how to forget (funny, a bunch of the new age spirituality does hinge on being able to "remember" things, doesn't it)

Oh how I wish I could describe the sensation these types of thinking exercises engender. The closest, as I've already mentioned, is "backwards thinking," but there's imagery involved. Like the inverse of diving, or a flower blooming in reverse but not turning back into a bud or seed.





How is that, exactly? I don't follow



I'd like to make all my current problems disappear, but to be replaced with 2012 problems. "Success" in my endeavors would be a stark difference to some "freedoms" I currently enjoy



Well, I am here responding to this so the answer is clear, lol

This topic is so frustrating to talk about because I don't want to bridge it. There's like a whole narrative that I have the skeleton of for the years 2012 to 2020ish (a skeleton because I don't want to be aware of all the details, a rough outline that I'm okay getting distracted within). The 'bridging' between 'now' and '2012' is just the logical means .. from now to 2012. How it's bridged I do not care, I do not particularly want to do the bridging because the drama of understanding how to do the bridging is distracting from my other distractions. But it seems I must understand how to bridge in order to bridge (and stay there, I've 'bridged' it 'successfully' 3 times but did not "stay," so it seems that I need the understanding in order to "stay"). It's very circular and I'd like to cut out the drama of figuring it out

"Man is condemned to be free" is a quote I find quite potent, all things considered