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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523095 Slovenia 03/30/2020 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? You do realize that a ventilator is literally the easiest machine to make? The only "difficulty" is the software and firmware to operate it, but even that can be nowdays completed with a normal smart phone. You won't need these ventilators for long term use, you just need them currently for the spike. (even though, once you are plugged onto one, your chances of recovery are very slim) |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? You do realize that a ventilator is literally the easiest machine to make? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78523095 The only "difficulty" is the software and firmware to operate it, but even that can be nowdays completed with a normal smart phone. You won't need these ventilators for long term use, you just need them currently for the spike. (even though, once you are plugged onto one, your chances of recovery are very slim) I'm not talking at all about how easy they are to make, I'm specifically talking about the process to re-tool an automobile manufacturing plant to make them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523095 Slovenia 03/30/2020 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? You do realize that a ventilator is literally the easiest machine to make? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78523095 The only "difficulty" is the software and firmware to operate it, but even that can be nowdays completed with a normal smart phone. You won't need these ventilators for long term use, you just need them currently for the spike. (even though, once you are plugged onto one, your chances of recovery are very slim) I'm not talking at all about how easy they are to make, I'm specifically talking about the process to re-tool an automobile manufacturing plant to make them. Yes, and you don't need a super high tech plant to accomplish what you need. And as far as I know, Trump specifically said he wants the CLOSED plants to be equipped and used to manufacture ventilators. Believe me, the ventilators that countries are now buying from China, are made in factories you wouldn't even want to step in let alone use anything they do for your health. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? You do realize that a ventilator is literally the easiest machine to make? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78523095 The only "difficulty" is the software and firmware to operate it, but even that can be nowdays completed with a normal smart phone. You won't need these ventilators for long term use, you just need them currently for the spike. (even though, once you are plugged onto one, your chances of recovery are very slim) I'm not talking at all about how easy they are to make, I'm specifically talking about the process to re-tool an automobile manufacturing plant to make them. Yes, and you don't need a super high tech plant to accomplish what you need. And as far as I know, Trump specifically said he wants the CLOSED plants to be equipped and used to manufacture ventilators. Believe me, the ventilators that countries are now buying from China, are made in factories you wouldn't even want to step in let alone use anything they do for your health. No, you're right I wouldn't. This is Murica bro, things are VERY different here. Just so happens I live only a cpl miles from 2 major production plants that are operational, and have immediate family that work in both, both are currently being changed out. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? Generators perhaps? I believe last night it was the word Trump kept saying instead of ventilators. hmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55303780 Great thread and info, OP. TY! I've been wondering just wtf since I heard about Ford and GM, and been vocal about it, but no one was really listening. I heard about the "generator" slips this morning and had the epiphany. It does make much more sense, far easier to re-tool active plants and use in-house skilled trades to do the work. Not at all a massive undertaking. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523095 Slovenia 03/30/2020 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? You do realize that a ventilator is literally the easiest machine to make? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78523095 The only "difficulty" is the software and firmware to operate it, but even that can be nowdays completed with a normal smart phone. You won't need these ventilators for long term use, you just need them currently for the spike. (even though, once you are plugged onto one, your chances of recovery are very slim) I'm not talking at all about how easy they are to make, I'm specifically talking about the process to re-tool an automobile manufacturing plant to make them. Yes, and you don't need a super high tech plant to accomplish what you need. And as far as I know, Trump specifically said he wants the CLOSED plants to be equipped and used to manufacture ventilators. Believe me, the ventilators that countries are now buying from China, are made in factories you wouldn't even want to step in let alone use anything they do for your health. No, you're right I wouldn't. This is Murica bro, things are VERY different here. Just so happens I live only a cpl miles from 2 major production plants that are operational, and have immediate family that work in both, both are currently being changed out. Yeah, thankfully so. but still, I think that making ventilators is not, or rather shouldn't be very hard to do. So those plants were producing cars and are now being changed out? I truly think this virus will be very good for the West, to get it's head out of it's ass and actually see that having actual industry is vitally important. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523095 Slovenia 03/30/2020 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? Generators perhaps? I believe last night it was the word Trump kept saying instead of ventilators. hmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55303780 Great thread and info, OP. TY! I've been wondering just wtf since I heard about Ford and GM, and been vocal about it, but no one was really listening. I heard about the "generator" slips this morning and had the epiphany. It does make much more sense, far easier to re-tool active plants and use in-house skilled trades to do the work. Not at all a massive undertaking. I don't get it. What kind of generators would those be? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? Thread: Theory for the madness. THIS is the soundest explaination. Trump slipped. I think it's an EMP(s?) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75449616 United States 03/30/2020 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? I have A LOT of experience in the medical field, 20+yrs Med Tech Oncology, as well as plant re-tooling and machinery moving. After my medical career I became a Machinery Rigger, basically I was contracted by factories, specifically Ford Motor Co, to go into the plants to dismantle, move and reassemble robotics, machinery and production lines that were either sold, discontinued or were being moved to other plants. I ran a full crew as well as being the Operations Manager for the company. I have tons of experience in logistics concerning efforts like this, and I'm telling you with the utmost confidence that there's no possible way these plants will EVER be re-tooled in time to even make a dent in the country's ventilator needs any time soon. Quoting: SiniXster the Dread It takes numerous months to break down these lines and machines, and prep them for movement and storage. The logistics alone are a nightmare let alone the process of disassembly, loading and offloading. After all that is done and the space is made within the plants, the entire ventilation system for each plant would also have to be torn out and completely rebuilt to suit the safety and sanitary guidelines of medical equipment manufacturing, as well as clean rooms being built within the plants etc etc. During all of this, other plants will have to be re-tooled and/or enlarged to build the machines needed to build the product itself, and then you have the logistics of delivery, off-loading and assembly of new production lines, etc etc etc. Then inspections take place, and they NEVER pass anything without weeks to months more work to fix mistakes cited by inspectors and safety officials. You see where I'm headed with this? On top of all that, there aren't even close to the number of rigging companies with experienced riggers needed to pull this off, nowhere near enough. Granted, you could bring in a lot of the laid-off skilled tradesmen, but remember they're all union, and the rigging companies aren't, so you also have union contracts to deal with. This is a truly MASSIVE UNDERTAKING on many, many levels. Something truly doesn't makes sense, why are they not concentrating on figuring out how to increase production at the plants that already make the parts, machines themselves and the supplies necessary to run them. My only theory is that they're not building ventilators, but if not, what are they producing, and why? masks and ventilators are not for now, but prep for the meteoric dust that will be in the air...sooon. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? ... Quoting: SiniXster the Dread I'm not talking at all about how easy they are to make, I'm specifically talking about the process to re-tool an automobile manufacturing plant to make them. Yes, and you don't need a super high tech plant to accomplish what you need. And as far as I know, Trump specifically said he wants the CLOSED plants to be equipped and used to manufacture ventilators. Believe me, the ventilators that countries are now buying from China, are made in factories you wouldn't even want to step in let alone use anything they do for your health. No, you're right I wouldn't. This is Murica bro, things are VERY different here. Just so happens I live only a cpl miles from 2 major production plants that are operational, and have immediate family that work in both, both are currently being changed out. Yeah, thankfully so. but still, I think that making ventilators is not, or rather shouldn't be very hard to do. So those plants were producing cars and are now being changed out? I truly think this virus will be very good for the West, to get it's head out of it's ass and actually see that having actual industry is vitally important. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? Generators perhaps? I believe last night it was the word Trump kept saying instead of ventilators. hmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55303780 Great thread and info, OP. TY! I've been wondering just wtf since I heard about Ford and GM, and been vocal about it, but no one was really listening. I heard about the "generator" slips this morning and had the epiphany. It does make much more sense, far easier to re-tool active plants and use in-house skilled trades to do the work. Not at all a massive undertaking. I don't get it. What kind of generators would those be? Now you're just getting irri-fucking-tating , go away shill. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? Generators perhaps? I believe last night it was the word Trump kept saying instead of ventilators. hmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55303780 Great thread and info, OP. TY! I've been wondering just wtf since I heard about Ford and GM, and been vocal about it, but no one was really listening. I heard about the "generator" slips this morning and had the epiphany. It does make much more sense, far easier to re-tool active plants and use in-house skilled trades to do the work. Not at all a massive undertaking. I don't get it. What kind of generators would those be? Now you're just getting irri-fucking-tating , go away shill. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? I have A LOT of experience in the medical field, 20+yrs Med Tech Oncology, as well as plant re-tooling and machinery moving. After my medical career I became a Machinery Rigger, basically I was contracted by factories, specifically Ford Motor Co, to go into the plants to dismantle, move and reassemble robotics, machinery and production lines that were either sold, discontinued or were being moved to other plants. I ran a full crew as well as being the Operations Manager for the company. I have tons of experience in logistics concerning efforts like this, and I'm telling you with the utmost confidence that there's no possible way these plants will EVER be re-tooled in time to even make a dent in the country's ventilator needs any time soon. Quoting: SiniXster the Dread It takes numerous months to break down these lines and machines, and prep them for movement and storage. The logistics alone are a nightmare let alone the process of disassembly, loading and offloading. After all that is done and the space is made within the plants, the entire ventilation system for each plant would also have to be torn out and completely rebuilt to suit the safety and sanitary guidelines of medical equipment manufacturing, as well as clean rooms being built within the plants etc etc. During all of this, other plants will have to be re-tooled and/or enlarged to build the machines needed to build the product itself, and then you have the logistics of delivery, off-loading and assembly of new production lines, etc etc etc. Then inspections take place, and they NEVER pass anything without weeks to months more work to fix mistakes cited by inspectors and safety officials. You see where I'm headed with this? On top of all that, there aren't even close to the number of rigging companies with experienced riggers needed to pull this off, nowhere near enough. Granted, you could bring in a lot of the laid-off skilled tradesmen, but remember they're all union, and the rigging companies aren't, so you also have union contracts to deal with. This is a truly MASSIVE UNDERTAKING on many, many levels. Something truly doesn't makes sense, why are they not concentrating on figuring out how to increase production at the plants that already make the parts, machines themselves and the supplies necessary to run them. My only theory is that they're not building ventilators, but if not, what are they producing, and why? masks and ventilators are not for now, but prep for the meteoric dust that will be in the air...sooon. :shoon: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523095 Slovenia 03/30/2020 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78523095 Yes, and you don't need a super high tech plant to accomplish what you need. And as far as I know, Trump specifically said he wants the CLOSED plants to be equipped and used to manufacture ventilators. Believe me, the ventilators that countries are now buying from China, are made in factories you wouldn't even want to step in let alone use anything they do for your health. No, you're right I wouldn't. This is Murica bro, things are VERY different here. Just so happens I live only a cpl miles from 2 major production plants that are operational, and have immediate family that work in both, both are currently being changed out. Yeah, thankfully so. but still, I think that making ventilators is not, or rather shouldn't be very hard to do. So those plants were producing cars and are now being changed out? I truly think this virus will be very good for the West, to get it's head out of it's ass and actually see that having actual industry is vitally important. dude, the whole World is in a frenzy because we are all dependant on China's industry and you act like I said the stupidest thing ever. Are you having problems understanding written words? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523095 Slovenia 03/30/2020 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? Generators perhaps? I believe last night it was the word Trump kept saying instead of ventilators. hmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55303780 Great thread and info, OP. TY! I've been wondering just wtf since I heard about Ford and GM, and been vocal about it, but no one was really listening. I heard about the "generator" slips this morning and had the epiphany. It does make much more sense, far easier to re-tool active plants and use in-house skilled trades to do the work. Not at all a massive undertaking. I don't get it. What kind of generators would those be? Now you're just getting irri-fucking-tating , go away shill. LOL, ok, yea, because it is completely logical and no brainer that we would go from ventilators for a respiratory disease to generators for some asteroid apocalypse. Whatever, you do you. |
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User ID: 77227800 United States 03/30/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? I have A LOT of experience in the medical field, 20+yrs Med Tech Oncology, as well as plant re-tooling and machinery moving. After my medical career I became a Machinery Rigger, basically I was contracted by factories, specifically Ford Motor Co, to go into the plants to dismantle, move and reassemble robotics, machinery and production lines that were either sold, discontinued or were being moved to other plants. I ran a full crew as well as being the Operations Manager for the company. I have tons of experience in logistics concerning efforts like this, and I'm telling you with the utmost confidence that there's no possible way these plants will EVER be re-tooled in time to even make a dent in the country's ventilator needs any time soon. Quoting: SiniXster the Dread It takes numerous months to break down these lines and machines, and prep them for movement and storage. The logistics alone are a nightmare let alone the process of disassembly, loading and offloading. After all that is done and the space is made within the plants, the entire ventilation system for each plant would also have to be torn out and completely rebuilt to suit the safety and sanitary guidelines of medical equipment manufacturing, as well as clean rooms being built within the plants etc etc. During all of this, other plants will have to be re-tooled and/or enlarged to build the machines needed to build the product itself, and then you have the logistics of delivery, off-loading and assembly of new production lines, etc etc etc. Then inspections take place, and they NEVER pass anything without weeks to months more work to fix mistakes cited by inspectors and safety officials. You see where I'm headed with thi On top of all that, there aren't even close to the number of rigging companies with experienced riggers needed to pull this off, nowhere near enough. Granted, you could bring in a lot of the laid-off skilled tradesmen, but remember they're all union, and the rigging companies aren't, so you also have union contracts to deal with. This is a truly MASSIVE UNDERTAKING on many, many levels. Something truly doesn't makes sense, why are they not concentrating on figuring out how to increase production at the plants that already make the parts, machines themselves and the supplies necessary to run them. My only theory is that they're not building ventilators, but if not, what are they producing, and why? Last Edited by mandit on 03/30/2020 12:55 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? ... Quoting: SiniXster the Dread No, you're right I wouldn't. This is Murica bro, things are VERY different here. Just so happens I live only a cpl miles from 2 major production plants that are operational, and have immediate family that work in both, both are currently being changed out. Yeah, thankfully so. but still, I think that making ventilators is not, or rather shouldn't be very hard to do. So those plants were producing cars and are now being changed out? I truly think this virus will be very good for the West, to get it's head out of it's ass and actually see that having actual industry is vitally important. dude, the whole World is in a frenzy because we are all dependant on China's industry and you act like I said the stupidest thing ever. Are you having problems understanding written words? First off, the West is dependent on Chinese industry because a large portion of our government wanted to be dependent on the regime for other reasons, not because we're too dumb to figure out wtf is going on. Most importantly, for you to say that the deaths of possibly 100's of thousands of Americans is a good thing for any reason IS the most ignorant statement I've heard in a very long time, so yeah. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523095 Slovenia 03/30/2020 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78523095 Yeah, thankfully so. but still, I think that making ventilators is not, or rather shouldn't be very hard to do. So those plants were producing cars and are now being changed out? I truly think this virus will be very good for the West, to get it's head out of it's ass and actually see that having actual industry is vitally important. dude, the whole World is in a frenzy because we are all dependant on China's industry and you act like I said the stupidest thing ever. Are you having problems understanding written words? First off, the West is dependent on Chinese industry because a large portion of our government wanted to be dependent on the regime for other reasons, not because we're too dumb to figure out wtf is going on. Most importantly, for you to say that the deaths of possibly 100's of thousands of Americans is a good thing for any reason IS the most ignorant statement I've heard in a very long time, so yeah. LOL, but you are too dumb to figure it out, Obama was even making fun of you for falling for it. That was some funny shit, how all of America believed that industry just moves and nobody can do anything about it. And apparently you are not really intelligent enough to be having this conversation with, too emotional. |
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User ID: 77227800 United States 03/30/2020 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? I have run ventilators for 35 years in a level 1 trauma hospital. What I wonder is where they expect to get enough Respiratory Therapists to run 1000s of new vents? You can't just pull people off the street and have them operate a vent. it takes at least 2 years of training in Respiratory to know what you are doing. Ventilators are not cars, they are a sophisticated piece of medical equipment. Most hospitals are short staffed in the best of times, yet I do not hear anyone address this question. Most nurses do not understand how to operate a vent. That's what Respiratory therapists do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55303780 United States 03/30/2020 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? Posting this thread kuz it's a new theory this morning after POTUS' "generator" slips yesterday that may apply. Quoting: SiniXster the Dread Thread: Theory for the madness. THIS is the soundest explaination. Trump slipped. I think it's an EMP(s?) Very possible for sure! The proverbial "they" do know what's coming. No question in my mind the virus is the distraction. Now to find out what the real question is. Most concerning to say the least. I deeply appreciate your thread, OP!! |
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User ID: 78594981 Chile 03/30/2020 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? Generators perhaps? I believe last night it was the word Trump kept saying instead of ventilators. hmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55303780 Great thread and info, OP. TY! I've been wondering just wtf since I heard about Ford and GM, and been vocal about it, but no one was really listening. I heard about the "generator" slips this morning and had the epiphany. It does make much more sense, far easier to re-tool active plants and use in-house skilled trades to do the work. Not at all a massive undertaking. I don't get it. What kind of generators would those be? EMP in the future?, the core of the galactic wave arriving to earth? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? dude, the whole World is in a frenzy because we are all dependant on China's industry and you act like I said the stupidest thing ever. Are you having problems understanding written words? First off, the West is dependent on Chinese industry because a large portion of our government wanted to be dependent on the regime for other reasons, not because we're too dumb to figure out wtf is going on. Most importantly, for you to say that the deaths of possibly 100's of thousands of Americans is a good thing for any reason IS the most ignorant statement I've heard in a very long time, so yeah. LOL, but you are too dumb to figure it out, Obama was even making fun of you for falling for it. That was some funny shit, how all of America believed that industry just moves and nobody can do anything about it. And apparently you are not really intelligent enough to be having this conversation with, too emotional. Then STFU and exit my fucking thread asshat. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78173554 United States 03/30/2020 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? You'd be amazed at what engineers can come up with when given a blank check from the government. Also, they aren't going to be using the giant presses that stamp fenders and framerails... I'm guessing there's a lot of rushed improvisation to convert injection molding machines that make interior panels and dashboards into making the various housing components. I would think that GM engineers got together with a company that makes ventilators, and came up with a design that uses as much off-the-shelf automotive parts as possible. All you really need is an air pump that can move volume in or out at a specified interval at a specified pressure. Manual valving for supplemental oxygen would work fine, even though I think modern high end units are rigged with a feedback loop to an O2 sensor on the patient. An engine ECU has more than enough capability to operate a fairly simple machine like a ventilator. Shit, I could produce these things in my shop using some RC linear servos, a PLC, and some tubing and pipes from the hardware store. |
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User ID: 78698051 Canada 03/30/2020 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? I have A LOT of experience in the medical field, 20+yrs Med Tech Oncology, as well as plant re-tooling and machinery moving. After my medical career I became a Machinery Rigger, basically I was contracted by factories, specifically Ford Motor Co, to go into the plants to dismantle, move and reassemble robotics, machinery and production lines that were either sold, discontinued or were being moved to other plants. I ran a full crew as well as being the Operations Manager for the company. I have tons of experience in logistics concerning efforts like this, and I'm telling you with the utmost confidence that there's no possible way these plants will EVER be re-tooled in time to even make a dent in the country's ventilator needs any time soon. Quoting: SiniXster the Dread It takes numerous months to break down these lines and machines, and prep them for movement and storage. The logistics alone are a nightmare let alone the process of disassembly, loading and offloading. After all that is done and the space is made within the plants, the entire ventilation system for each plant would also have to be torn out and completely rebuilt to suit the safety and sanitary guidelines of medical equipment manufacturing, as well as clean rooms being built within the plants etc etc. During all of this, other plants will have to be re-tooled and/or enlarged to build the machines needed to build the product itself, and then you have the logistics of delivery, off-loading and assembly of new production lines, etc etc etc. Then inspections take place, and they NEVER pass anything without weeks to months more work to fix mistakes cited by inspectors and safety officials. You see where I'm headed with this? On top of all that, there aren't even close to the number of rigging companies with experienced riggers needed to pull this off, nowhere near enough. Granted, you could bring in a lot of the laid-off skilled tradesmen, but remember they're all union, and the rigging companies aren't, so you also have union contracts to deal with. This is a truly MASSIVE UNDERTAKING on many, many levels. Something truly doesn't makes sense, why are they not concentrating on figuring out how to increase production at the plants that already make the parts, machines themselves and the supplies necessary to run them. My only theory is that they're not building ventilators, but if not, what are they producing, and why? If you need a fucking ventilator just take the virus course your genes was defective anyway! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? I have run ventilators for 35 years in a level 1 trauma hospital. What I wonder is where they expect to get enough Respiratory Therapists to run 1000s of new vents? You can't just pull people off the street and have them operate a vent. it takes at least 2 years of training in Respiratory to know what you are doing. Ventilators are not cars, they are a sophisticated piece of medical equipment. Most hospitals are short staffed in the best of times, yet I do not hear anyone address this question. Most nurses do not understand how to operate a vent. That's what Respiratory therapists do. Quoting: mandit And then there's THIS^^^!!! Thanks for the comment, a very true one at that. I laughed when I saw Coumo with the hand resuscitator saying he was going to have to resort to training people to use them 24/7 on patients w/out vents. Could you imagine? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78173554 United States 03/30/2020 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? I have run ventilators for 35 years in a level 1 trauma hospital. What I wonder is where they expect to get enough Respiratory Therapists to run 1000s of new vents? You can't just pull people off the street and have them operate a vent. it takes at least 2 years of training in Respiratory to know what you are doing. Ventilators are not cars, they are a sophisticated piece of medical equipment. Most hospitals are short staffed in the best of times, yet I do not hear anyone address this question. Most nurses do not understand how to operate a vent. That's what Respiratory therapists do. Quoting: mandit They were saying on the news that if hospitals ran out of ventilators, they would have National Guard soldiers manually operate hand powered ventilators. Is that possible based on your knowledge? Now if so, obviously that's not as good as a $30,000 piece of medical equipment... but it would be better than nothing right? If something like that was automated, with controls for pressure and volume, and a crash course instruction card, I'd have to imagine it's better than something hand operated amarite? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75668073 United States 03/30/2020 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Production Of Ventilators And Using Auto Production Plants, Something Is Very Wrong, It Doesn't Make Any Sense. What's Really Going On? You'd be amazed at what engineers can come up with when given a blank check from the government. Quoting: R. Wordsworth Also, they aren't going to be using the giant presses that stamp fenders and framerails... I'm guessing there's a lot of rushed improvisation to convert injection molding machines that make interior panels and dashboards into making the various housing components. I would think that GM engineers got together with a company that makes ventilators, and came up with a design that uses as much off-the-shelf automotive parts as possible. All you really need is an air pump that can move volume in or out at a specified interval at a specified pressure. Manual valving for supplemental oxygen would work fine, even though I think modern high end units are rigged with a feedback loop to an O2 sensor on the patient. An engine ECU has more than enough capability to operate a fairly simple machine like a ventilator. Shit, I could produce these things in my shop using some RC linear servos, a PLC, and some tubing and pipes from the hardware store. As a former Union Rigger I can say with passion, most of us HATE engineers with no rea-world floor experience. They have ideas that they believe are revolutionary, but when it comes time to do the ground work we as riggers have to improvise like mad and re-do most of their work. Again, yes manufacturing the actual vent is pretty simple in and of itself, it's the process of re-tooling a filthy dirty auto manufacturing plant to build a product that's safe enough to be deemed sterile that's the problem. |