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WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

 
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Gas and power shortages in Europe will push toward rationalization.


This will instantly kill the industry, for a VERY SIMPLE REASON : the population consumes a fraction of what industry consumes. If we add hospitals, water plants, public lightning, the population (depending on the country) barely consumes 10% of the energy.


In other words, you can cut-off the population's access to energy COMPLETELY, you will still have to rationalize power to the rest, which is called THE ECONOMY.



Europe is fucked. Period.



The economic collapse will NOT LEAD to reopening of Nordstream 1 or 2, or both.


It will lead to TWO OUTCOMES : either full blown revolutions, new governments, that will ATTEMPT to mend relations with Russia, OR current government will attempt to mend relations with Russia.



The evil empire (U.S.) will NOT ACCEPT Europe to give Russia TOTAL VICTORY, which is it going to be one, because Russia will ask, in return to reopening the gas, coal, power, etc. lines to Europe, Europe's TOTAL RETREAT from Ukraine, stop ALL AIDS to Ukraine, LIFT ALL sanctions, which will also mean the END of Ukraine.



So, total victory for Russia. The U.S. will not going to accept this, because this also means the END of the U.S., with Ukraine under Russia and Europe fully dependent on Russia, and EVERYONE ON THE PLANET will align to BRICS.





No, the only way out is a CLEAR WINNER, and this will only happen after WORLD WAR 3.
 Quoting: Recollector


Indeed. The self-inflicted, by Sanctions, economic collapse in the EU will not change the course of their irrational policies.

Like I said before, the west as a whole embarked on a very irrational path at dealing with Russia. It will only get worse and more likely they will keep doubling down.

This, coupled with Russia apparent blindness to this reality, will lead straight to kinetic WW3.

No cold war 2.0 bullshit or "The US empire, the dollar, etc. will fade into irrelevance". NOPE.

Right now I agree 1000% with the view of Paul Craig Roberts expressed in this article:

[link to www.paulcraigroberts.org (secure)]

As I keep saying, the Jury is still open whether Putin strategy is the best one to deal with the west's declaration of war against Russia. Right now I'm convinced it is not, and this will guarantee WW3 sooner then it would otherwise happen.
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I fully disagree with Paul Roberts in this issue. I agree on other issues with his insight, but this time...he is way off.



As I said from the beginning of the Ukraine conflict, Russians are masters of deceptions, from low, localized ones (like Kharkov "defeat"), to big ones (and this is my theory, which I have presented it : Russia set up a trap for the West).



I am not saying that the Russian master plan or hundreds of smaller plans that make up the master plan will work.



I am saying that Russia HAVE A PLAN, and up until right now...IT IS WORKING AS INTENDED, almost perfectly, which is more then I personally expected.



Would have to make a total separate update to describe why the Russian plan is working, almost perfectly, because I have to point out everything that took place since December, last year, and how EVERYTHING that matters, it is CLEARLY in Russia's favor.
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We will have to wait and see.

Lots of good sources indicating that there was a coherent plan indeed, although even if in purely military terms the retreat was fully appropriated and perfectly executed (there are conflicting reports on that account) it was still negative politically, the civilians there were left at the mercy of the ukies who are already carry on door-to-door executions, etc. but at least it wasn't that big setback (maybe no setback at all).

The only goal post right now that matters to me is Kramatorsk. If it falls more or less within the predicted time-frame then Russia is indeed doing fine with the SMO for the time being.
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question for u DR. will the rest of the world cut off its arm to save itself? cut off the US and our leader's BS to save themself?

we'd implode due to not making anything. and ouor stock market is heavily invested in by EU ppl and countries.
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RECOLLECTOR, u don't think the EU will try to make a peace deal with RUSSIA to secure more energy sources and thumbs its nose at the US and the sanctions?
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2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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We will have to wait and see.

Lots of good sources indicating that there was a coherent plan indeed, although even if in purely military terms the retreat was fully appropriated and perfectly executed (there are conflicting reports on that account) it was still negative politically, the civilians there were left at the mercy of the ukies who are already carry on door-to-door executions, etc. but at least it wasn't that big setback (maybe no setback at all).

The only goal post right now that matters to me is Kramatorsk. If it falls more or less within the predicted time-frame then Russia is indeed doing fine with the SMO for the time being.
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The civilians there, who were pro-Russians, were evacuated a long time ago.


The ones that remained, are anti-Russia.


Russia NEVER said that it will liberate Kharkov.


Russia was clear from the beginning : Donbass and land bridge from Crimea to Donbass, and this means 4 regions : Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporoje and Kherson.



There no negative fallout for Russia regarding the civilians who CHOSE to stay, because those that CHOSE to leave, already left, Russia providing them with housing, jobs, monetary help, etc.



As there is no negative fallout in Russia for the Kharkov retreat. IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS (I said so many times. Russians are masters of deception), looking at Kadirov statement, SOME local deputies asking for Putin's resignation, Russian TV talking heads saying stuff...ALL THIS IS DECEPTION, because the CONCLUSION that the Russian people came to, after Kharkov is : DECLARE WAR on Ukraine and get over it.



If you, or anyone else, believes that SOME LOCAL DEPUTIES can ask Putin to resign without falling from hospital windows or killing themselves later on, that Kadirov is upset on Putin FOR REAL, or the Russian TV talking heads painting Russia as WEAK, without BEING TOLD TO DO SO...well, you don't know much about Russia and Putin.



In the end, one thing IS CLEAR , following the so-called Kharkov DEFEAT : Putin got what he WANTED from the start, WITHOUT being the one who is ASKING IT : total war in Ukraine, NOT a LIMITED and RESTRAINED Special Military Operation.
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question for u DR. will the rest of the world cut off its arm to save itself? cut off the US and our leader's BS to save themself?

we'd implode due to not making anything. and ouor stock market is heavily invested in by EU ppl and countries.
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RECOLLECTOR, u don't think the EU will try to make a peace deal with RUSSIA to secure more energy sources and thumbs its nose at the US and the sanctions?
 Quoting: JAZZz50



100% NO.


Not going to happen as long as European Union exists in it's current form and leadership.
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Extended Fireworks planed for tonight?
Have absolutely no idea how credible these tweets are.
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We will have to wait and see.

Lots of good sources indicating that there was a coherent plan indeed, although even if in purely military terms the retreat was fully appropriated and perfectly executed (there are conflicting reports on that account) it was still negative politically, the civilians there were left at the mercy of the ukies who are already carry on door-to-door executions, etc. but at least it wasn't that big setback (maybe no setback at all).

The only goal post right now that matters to me is Kramatorsk. If it falls more or less within the predicted time-frame then Russia is indeed doing fine with the SMO for the time being.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84184530



The civilians there, who were pro-Russians, were evacuated a long time ago.


The ones that remained, are anti-Russia.


Russia NEVER said that it will liberate Kharkov.


Russia was clear from the beginning : Donbass and land bridge from Crimea to Donbass, and this means 4 regions : Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporoje and Kherson.



There no negative fallout for Russia regarding the civilians who CHOSE to stay, because those that CHOSE to leave, already left, Russia providing them with housing, jobs, monetary help, etc.



As there is no negative fallout in Russia for the Kharkov retreat. IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS (I said so many times. Russians are masters of deception), looking at Kadirov statement, SOME local deputies asking for Putin's resignation, Russian TV talking heads saying stuff...ALL THIS IS DECEPTION, because the CONCLUSION that the Russian people came to, after Kharkov is : DECLARE WAR on Ukraine and get over it.



If you, or anyone else, believes that SOME LOCAL DEPUTIES can ask Putin to resign without falling from hospital windows or killing themselves later on, that Kadirov is upset on Putin FOR REAL, or the Russian TV talking heads painting Russia as WEAK, without BEING TOLD TO DO SO...well, you don't know much about Russia and Putin.



In the end, one thing IS CLEAR , following the so-called Kharkov DEFEAT : Putin got what he WANTED from the start, WITHOUT being the one who is ASKING IT : total war in Ukraine, NOT a LIMITED and RESTRAINED Special Military Operation.
 Quoting: Recollector


Russia was clear from the beginning : Donbass and land bridge from Crimea to Donbass, and this means 4 regions : Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporoje and Kherson.

Will they stop there though?
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We will have to wait and see.

Lots of good sources indicating that there was a coherent plan indeed, although even if in purely military terms the retreat was fully appropriated and perfectly executed (there are conflicting reports on that account) it was still negative politically, the civilians there were left at the mercy of the ukies who are already carry on door-to-door executions, etc. but at least it wasn't that big setback (maybe no setback at all).

The only goal post right now that matters to me is Kramatorsk. If it falls more or less within the predicted time-frame then Russia is indeed doing fine with the SMO for the time being.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84184530



The civilians there, who were pro-Russians, were evacuated a long time ago.


The ones that remained, are anti-Russia.


Russia NEVER said that it will liberate Kharkov.


Russia was clear from the beginning : Donbass and land bridge from Crimea to Donbass, and this means 4 regions : Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporoje and Kherson.



There no negative fallout for Russia regarding the civilians who CHOSE to stay, because those that CHOSE to leave, already left, Russia providing them with housing, jobs, monetary help, etc.



As there is no negative fallout in Russia for the Kharkov retreat. IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS (I said so many times. Russians are masters of deception), looking at Kadirov statement, SOME local deputies asking for Putin's resignation, Russian TV talking heads saying stuff...ALL THIS IS DECEPTION, because the CONCLUSION that the Russian people came to, after Kharkov is : DECLARE WAR on Ukraine and get over it.



If you, or anyone else, believes that SOME LOCAL DEPUTIES can ask Putin to resign without falling from hospital windows or killing themselves later on, that Kadirov is upset on Putin FOR REAL, or the Russian TV talking heads painting Russia as WEAK, without BEING TOLD TO DO SO...well, you don't know much about Russia and Putin.



In the end, one thing IS CLEAR , following the so-called Kharkov DEFEAT : Putin got what he WANTED from the start, WITHOUT being the one who is ASKING IT : total war in Ukraine, NOT a LIMITED and RESTRAINED Special Military Operation.
 Quoting: Recollector


Russia was clear from the beginning : Donbass and land bridge from Crimea to Donbass, and this means 4 regions : Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporoje and Kherson.

Will they stop there though?
 Quoting: ParamedicUK



No, they will not, unless Ukraine capitulates without conditions, and we know that won't happen.


Russia WILL TAKE, with or without military force (Ukraine capitulation), EXCLUDING WW3, most of Kharkiv region and the city of Kharkiv, most of Nikolaev region, Odessa and Odessa region fully, and parts from anything in between, that have a majority of Russian population.



If WW3, Russia will take most of Ukraine, by default, baltic countries and the upper half of Finland.

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The west is pushing for war because they know they cannot survive the winter (at least in Europe)

They have two months or maybe less to defeat Russia. Without energy western people will be angry and no more controllable. Total economic collapse in Europe. Some other week and Germany will have to open the nord stream 2 and the war will be over
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Gas shortages could push this surely DR ?
 Quoting: ParamedicUK



Gas and power shortages in Europe will push toward rationalization.


This will instantly kill the industry, for a VERY SIMPLE REASON : the population consumes a fraction of what industry consumes. If we add hospitals, water plants, public lightning, the population (depending on the country) barely consumes 10% of the energy.

In other words, you can cut-off the population's access to energy COMPLETELY, you will still have to rationalize power to the rest, which is called THE ECONOMY.

Europe is fucked. Period.

The economic collapse will NOT LEAD to reopening of Nordstream 1 or 2, or both.

It will lead to TWO OUTCOMES : either full blown revolutions, new governments, that will ATTEMPT to mend relations with Russia, OR current government will attempt to mend relations with Russia.

The evil empire (U.S.) will NOT ACCEPT Europe to give Russia TOTAL VICTORY, which is it going to be one, because Russia will ask, in return to reopening the gas, coal, power, etc. lines to Europe, Europe's TOTAL RETREAT from Ukraine, stop ALL AIDS to Ukraine, LIFT ALL sanctions, which will also mean the END of Ukraine.

So, total victory for Russia. The U.S. will not going to accept this, because this also means the END of the U.S., with Ukraine under Russia and Europe fully dependent on Russia, and EVERYONE ON THE PLANET will align to BRICS.

No, the only way out is a CLEAR WINNER, and this will only happen after WORLD WAR 3.
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hesright

This concours with Putin's slow escalation because winter is part of his grand strategy
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Timing is crucial, always
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Gas shortages could push this surely DR ?
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Gas and power shortages in Europe will push toward rationalization.


This will instantly kill the industry, for a VERY SIMPLE REASON : the population consumes a fraction of what industry consumes. If we add hospitals, water plants, public lightning, the population (depending on the country) barely consumes 10% of the energy.


In other words, you can cut-off the population's access to energy COMPLETELY, you will still have to rationalize power to the rest, which is called THE ECONOMY.



Europe is fucked. Period.



The economic collapse will NOT LEAD to reopening of Nordstream 1 or 2, or both.


It will lead to TWO OUTCOMES : either full blown revolutions, new governments, that will ATTEMPT to mend relations with Russia, OR current government will attempt to mend relations with Russia.



The evil empire (U.S.) will NOT ACCEPT Europe to give Russia TOTAL VICTORY, which is it going to be one, because Russia will ask, in return to reopening the gas, coal, power, etc. lines to Europe, Europe's TOTAL RETREAT from Ukraine, stop ALL AIDS to Ukraine, LIFT ALL sanctions, which will also mean the END of Ukraine.



So, total victory for Russia. The U.S. will not going to accept this, because this also means the END of the U.S., with Ukraine under Russia and Europe fully dependent on Russia, and EVERYONE ON THE PLANET will align to BRICS.





No, the only way out is a CLEAR WINNER, and this will only happen after WORLD WAR 3.
 Quoting: Recollector

It would seem that Europe is headed to chaos either way. With power and electricity, and heating problems going just to be a domestic societal problem that is bad enough. However, if you add a war footing to that Europe is not going to make it.

The United States will have to intervene openly.
 Quoting: La Listener




And the U.S. will intervene.

The issue is that the U.S. cannot afford to decisively intervene in Europe, conventionally, in order to defeat Russia.



It will be a symbolic intervention.



I am not going to portrait myself in knowing much about the U.S. military doctrine, however, without general mobilization, the U.S. presence in an European war will be symbolic, under 100,000k troops, and by default, a fraction of jets, helis, tanks, etc.



The U.S. active military forces are at around 1.3 million, of which a big number is deployed already all across the world, and will stay there.


A SIGNIFICANT number of what is left will have to be for the defense of the U.S., because, well, it what would any normal headed country will do.


Whatever is left, will also not be deployed to Europe, because of China-Taiwan and Pacific situation in general (NK-SK, Phillipines, etc.), which can flare up at any time, ESPECIALLY if the U.S. deploys TOO MANY forces in Europe.


Then there is Iran.



So, without mobilization, the U.S. won't be able to "save" Europe again.



But is the U.S. ready for mobilization?



Answer is : NO, they are NOT. And won't be for many years, and that is if they start NOW producing tanks, planes, artillery, ammo, etc. etc., to sustain a partial mobilization.


Europe is even WORSE then that.



The U.S. CANNOT have a war on two fronts, no matter how much they claim that they are, if those to fronts are against Russia and China.


Add Iran.


Add NK.



The U.S. is going to LOSE WW3, because it will all flare up in the same time (Russia vs Europe, China vs U.S., Iran vs Israel, NK vs SK.) and the U.S. will HAVE TO CHOOSE where is going to FULLY commit.



And the way I see it...they will do it in the Pacific (Taiwan, Japan, SK).



Europe, Israel will have to make do with what they have...and Europe doesn't have much...
 Quoting: Recollector


Add Greece and Turkey to the party...
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We will have to wait and see.

Lots of good sources indicating that there was a coherent plan indeed, although even if in purely military terms the retreat was fully appropriated and perfectly executed (there are conflicting reports on that account) it was still negative politically, the civilians there were left at the mercy of the ukies who are already carry on door-to-door executions, etc. but at least it wasn't that big setback (maybe no setback at all).

The only goal post right now that matters to me is Kramatorsk. If it falls more or less within the predicted time-frame then Russia is indeed doing fine with the SMO for the time being.
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The civilians there, who were pro-Russians, were evacuated a long time ago.


The ones that remained, are anti-Russia.


Russia NEVER said that it will liberate Kharkov.


Russia was clear from the beginning : Donbass and land bridge from Crimea to Donbass, and this means 4 regions : Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporoje and Kherson.



There no negative fallout for Russia regarding the civilians who CHOSE to stay, because those that CHOSE to leave, already left, Russia providing them with housing, jobs, monetary help, etc.



As there is no negative fallout in Russia for the Kharkov retreat. IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS (I said so many times. Russians are masters of deception), looking at Kadirov statement, SOME local deputies asking for Putin's resignation, Russian TV talking heads saying stuff...ALL THIS IS DECEPTION, because the CONCLUSION that the Russian people came to, after Kharkov is : DECLARE WAR on Ukraine and get over it.



If you, or anyone else, believes that SOME LOCAL DEPUTIES can ask Putin to resign without falling from hospital windows or killing themselves later on, that Kadirov is upset on Putin FOR REAL, or the Russian TV talking heads painting Russia as WEAK, without BEING TOLD TO DO SO...well, you don't know much about Russia and Putin.



In the end, one thing IS CLEAR , following the so-called Kharkov DEFEAT : Putin got what he WANTED from the start, WITHOUT being the one who is ASKING IT : total war in Ukraine, NOT a LIMITED and RESTRAINED Special Military Operation.
 Quoting: Recollector


The fog of war is thick as ever. Absurd levels of noise, very difficult to make any assessment.

But by default, I tend to believe for now, and expect, the same pace of progress, if not faster. So Kramatorsk should not take more than 60 days or so to fall.

I got a taste of their ability of deception with that interview I posted of a Russian intelligence officer, saying how they would roll over Kharkov, the city, as it became a priority. You called BS right there, and I added that maybe it was some kind of deception. And indeed it was as they did the exact opposite of what that officer said.

Maybe Kadyrov is onboard with that, and now I tend to even think it's the most likely explanation. The media to some extent, the TV show debates seems genuine but regardless, there was already a generalized sentiment among Russians to UP the ante, not mobilization, but a more strong reaction overall.

Now the path for a broad support of a full mobilization is being opened, but I don't feel it's right there yet. It still need a strong catalyst, like an attack on Russia soil proper (Crimea works too) or the derailment/collapse of the SMO (fake or real) due to NATO interference.

But a mobilization will only make sense if Russia is to go after NATO, not to waste the forces all inside Ukraine.
A mobilization (or even serious preparations for it) whenever it happens, will be the canary on the coal mine that WW3 if about to get kinetic for real.
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This is worth the embed for the photo.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet on Friday to discuss trade, Russian fertilizer sales, and food supplies, sources say.



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FFS, the "western" BS propo in the last days is exagerating to the moon i think? Of corse there is also Russian propo.
But not compareable with the unbeleveable BS the western media is shoveling 24/7.

Is it because they have to intensify this because Ukraine is toast very soon? Or because the Russians will go fullsteam?
Or just to intensify the brainwashing to distract from the
nearing collapse in Europe?

What do you think OP?
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Likely ex-Nato involved in the fighting now?

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FFS, the "western" BS propo in the last days is exagerating to the moon i think? Of corse there is also Russian propo.
But not compareable with the unbeleveable BS the western media is shoveling 24/7.

Is it because they have to intensify this because Ukraine is toast very soon? Or because the Russians will go fullsteam?
Or just to intensify the brainwashing to distract from the
nearing collapse in Europe?

What do you think OP?
 Quoting: lol79



It only signs an imminent and very dangerous escalation.


Who and where is going to do it, I do not know.


Already the West cross a very big ass red line : sending NATO troops inside Ukraine, in massive numbers, to attack Russian Army.


This is not the few hundred mercs here and there. This is tens of thousands of NATO troops, with NATO gear. It is a game changer, in the sense that Russia is now forced to escalate.



But as I know Russia, they might wait ANOTHER escalation from the West, before they escalate in turn. Or, Russia is not going to wait, and escalate themselves first.


Might be an event involving Russia on another part of the world.



I DO NOT KNOW WHO is going to do it, and where, but an escalation is coming, and shit will keep continue to escalate until full blown war between West and Russia/China.
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Yes, tens of thousands of them.


Ukraine lost almost their entire regular army, whatever they have left is Territorial Defense and Spec Ops.


The West sent in Ukraine tens of thousands of NATO troops, that WERE ACTIVE not even a months ago, but were "retired" only to be sent in Ukraine without being registered as "active".


Tens of thousands of Polish, Romanian, UK and US NATO troops are now the replacement for the former Ukraine best troops, that are now fertilizer or maimed beyond combat capability.



I believe that the current number of NATO troops in Ukraine is AT LEAST 3 division strong.

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Yes, tens of thousands of them.


Ukraine lost almost their entire regular army, whatever they have left is Territorial Defense and Spec Ops.


The West sent in Ukraine tens of thousands of NATO troops, that WERE ACTIVE not even a months ago, but were "retired" only to be sent in Ukraine without being registered as "active".


Tens of thousands of Polish, Romanian, UK and US NATO troops are now the replacement for the former Ukraine best troops, that are now fertilizer or maimed beyond combat capability.



I believe that the current number of NATO troops in Ukraine is AT LEAST 3 division strong.
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Thanks for really good info. Green karma for you!
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FFS, the "western" BS propo in the last days is exagerating to the moon i think? Of corse there is also Russian propo.
But not compareable with the unbeleveable BS the western media is shoveling 24/7.

Is it because they have to intensify this because Ukraine is toast very soon? Or because the Russians will go fullsteam?
Or just to intensify the brainwashing to distract from the
nearing collapse in Europe?

What do you think OP?
 Quoting: lol79



It only signs an imminent and very dangerous escalation.


Who and where is going to do it, I do not know.


Already the West cross a very big ass red line : sending NATO troops inside Ukraine, in massive numbers, to attack Russian Army.


This is not the few hundred mercs here and there. This is tens of thousands of NATO troops, with NATO gear. It is a game changer, in the sense that Russia is now forced to escalate.



But as I know Russia, they might wait ANOTHER escalation from the West, before they escalate in turn. Or, Russia is not going to wait, and escalate themselves first.


Might be an event involving Russia on another part of the world.



I DO NOT KNOW WHO is going to do it, and where, but an escalation is coming, and shit will keep continue to escalate until full blown war between West and Russia/China.
 Quoting: Recollector


Thx for the answer. I totally agree with you.
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The west has tried this last and crazy offensive before winter

Now I don't see what Ukraine could do, except hoping that Russia doesn't stop the gas that it continues to give them free

They have no option. Even if Nato really wanted to enter the war, they have to wait for the spring at least
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Didn’t Russia decide to withdraw?
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……

Peace not War.
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Yes, tens of thousands of them.


Ukraine lost almost their entire regular army, whatever they have left is Territorial Defense and Spec Ops.


The West sent in Ukraine tens of thousands of NATO troops, that WERE ACTIVE not even a months ago, but were "retired" only to be sent in Ukraine without being registered as "active".


Tens of thousands of Polish, Romanian, UK and US NATO troops are now the replacement for the former Ukraine best troops, that are now fertilizer or maimed beyond combat capability.



I believe that the current number of NATO troops in Ukraine is AT LEAST 3 division strong.
 Quoting: Recollector


Saw some rumors but not solid confirmation of this yet...

If true Russia will have to prepare accordingly for what they will do in response, and probably this preparation will start covertly initially. The signs of this preparation, if they start, will be the countdown for SHTF.

Of course they may keep ignoring like they're doing since the Moskva... but they will do so at their own peril.

Putil will be wise to practice his own wisdom: "Fifty years ago, the streets of Leningrad taught me one thing: If a fight's inevitable, you must strike first"

The west will keep this up until its escalate or capitulate time. There won't be middle ground.
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very good analysis, covers it all for those interested.
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There's a very interesting video circulating out there purporting to be a Chinese convoy entering Ukraine....

If not entirely fake, it may be related with that Vostok 2022 joint military exercises and the video was made inside Russia.

But assuming for a minute that it would be true... lol

From one such site spreading this:


When I reported this, it occurred to me that it was only 72 hours ago that I reported to all of you:


Li Zhanshu is the head of China’s legislature: the Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress. He’s Number 3 in the rigid hierarchy of the CPC. A VERY big fish.

So where was Mr. Li last week?

Well, at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, Russia. He met and talked with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Li also had a key meeting with Russian State Duma (The Russia Legislature) Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin - and other Duma leaders.

This is what he told the Duma. Pay VERY close attention:

"We see that the United States and its NATO allies are expanding their presence near the Russian borders, seriously threatening national security and the lives of Russian citizens (…) "We fully understand the necessity of all the measures taken by Russia aimed at protecting its key interests” (…) “We are providing our assistance.

How explicit is that?

Well, China's President Xi Jinping and Russia's President Putin will have a special meeting on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Samarkand summit tomorrow.

They will discuss Russia's Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine IN DETAIL. Especially the next steps.

Then, afterwards, we may be able to ascertain what Li meant when he said, “We are providing our assistance.”
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Going to below freezing AM temps in parts of Norway, Sweden, and the Alps on Tuesday. Let the fun begin…
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There's a very interesting video circulating out there purporting to be a Chinese convoy entering Ukraine....

If not entirely fake, it may be related with that Vostok 2022 joint military exercises and the video was made inside Russia.

But assuming for a minute that it would be true... lol

From one such site spreading this:


When I reported this, it occurred to me that it was only 72 hours ago that I reported to all of you:


Li Zhanshu is the head of China’s legislature: the Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress. He’s Number 3 in the rigid hierarchy of the CPC. A VERY big fish.

So where was Mr. Li last week?

Well, at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, Russia. He met and talked with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Li also had a key meeting with Russian State Duma (The Russia Legislature) Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin - and other Duma leaders.

This is what he told the Duma. Pay VERY close attention:

"We see that the United States and its NATO allies are expanding their presence near the Russian borders, seriously threatening national security and the lives of Russian citizens (…) "We fully understand the necessity of all the measures taken by Russia aimed at protecting its key interests” (…) “We are providing our assistance.

How explicit is that?

Well, China's President Xi Jinping and Russia's President Putin will have a special meeting on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Samarkand summit tomorrow.

They will discuss Russia's Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine IN DETAIL. Especially the next steps.

Then, afterwards, we may be able to ascertain what Li meant when he said, “We are providing our assistance.”

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78454553


The battle lines have been drawn, there are only 2 sides in this world at war going forward

East vs West

You are either with us or against us

Even Switzerland is in on this on this one
"I have no special talent, I am only passionately curious."
-Albert Einstein
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