Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77139156 Greece 11/22/2018 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Right, and calculating the amount of 7h and mitra in raw kratom leaves, and multiplying the amount they used on a rat towards a 200lb human, this would equate to a human eating around 600grams in ONE sitting. You'd still have a better chance to OD on Water.... no way in hell anyone can consume 600g of Kratom without blowing chunks. |
Asymptote
User ID: 77140138 United States 11/22/2018 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Maybe while it is still not scheduled, people all across the southeast and west should liberally spread around seeds of these trees.... If I lived in a more temperate climate I'd hunt down seeds myself... Approaching the line "Be wary of mathematicians, particularly when they speak the truth." - Augustine I sign all my Karma Polymath supreme BTW.... Any grammatical errors (or incorrect words) are due to Spellcheck fucking hating me.....did you see, it auto fucking capitalism the word Spellcheck |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77139156 Greece 11/22/2018 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test It's also fascinating to watch these scientists claim there is 'little to no' scientific research on Kratom - when studies all around the wold have shown the safety and efficacy of Kratom. I have a hard time ascribing credibility to anyone who willfully ignores such a preponderance of evidence. [link to drive.google.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76135786 United States 11/22/2018 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test "For thousands of people, the opioid-like plant kratom has been life-changing. But like many drugs, it’s not without potential risks. While patient interviews have revealed that kratom can offer some patients with chronic health conditions the relief that conventional opioids hadn’t and in some cases curbed dangerous opioid use, reality isn’t always so neat and clean. New research indicates that high enough doses of the two active molecules in kratom can cause death in mice, suggesting that it is possible to fatally overdose on the substance. Quoting: Psychonaut SN7 In a paper published October 31 in the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology, a team of researchers tested mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, the two main active molecules in kratom, on mice to establish their LD50 — a measure of lethal dosage. When researchers injected these chemicals into mice intravenously, they were lethal at around the same dosage as heroin. Whereas the mice injected with heroin died from an average dose of 23.7 milligrams per kilogram of body weight (mg/kgbw), the mice injected with mitragynine died from 27.8 mg/kgbw, and those injected with 7-hydroxymitragynine died from 24.7 mg/kgbw. The researchers found 547.7 mg/kgbw to be the average lethal dose of mitragynine when it was taken orally. None of the mice died from oral doses of 7-hydroxymitragynine, but the mice given large oral doses of 7-hydroxymitragynine experienced seizures and depressed breathing. These doses, fortunately, are out of the typical range of a kratom dosage. For instance, a 2015 study in Drug Design, Development and Therapy gave human subjects oral doses of kratom tea containing between 6.25 and 23 mg of mitragynine. For a person weighing 220 pounds, this translates to between 0.0625 and 0.23 milligrams per kilogram of body weight, over 100 times below the LD50 for mice. Of course, some kratom users push their limits, so it’s entirely possible some users get much higher doses. Nonetheless, there’s minimal evidence that they’re taking it intravenously. The team also developed a urine test for mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine that works in a similar way to other urine drug tests: by using an antibody to detect traces of drugs. In fact, this was their primary goal with the research, says Kim Janda, Ph.D., a professor of chemistry at Scripps and the corresponding author on the study." Read More: [link to www.inverse.com (secure)] I mean seriously? Injecting Kratom? LMFAO! A Human would literally have to take a shitload of Kratom's active ingredients to reach this supposed LD50 orally. Yet the FDA/DEA will use that & especially the IV part to finally Schedule Kratom or it's active ingredients. If they aren't complete assholes not all of them will be Schedule 1... Yes this is ridiculous. You can overdose on just about anything. Nothing is good if you overdo it. They will never stop looking for ways to make kratom seem like a bad thing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76135786 United States 11/22/2018 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Right, and calculating the amount of 7h and mitra in raw kratom leaves, and multiplying the amount they used on a rat towards a 200lb human, this would equate to a human eating around 600grams in ONE sitting. Quoting: McShillin You'd still have a better chance to OD on Water.... no way in hell anyone can consume 600g of Kratom without blowing chunks. ^^^^^^This! |
Psychonaut SN7
(OP) User ID: 76355711 United States 11/23/2018 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test "The syntactical nature of reality, the real secret of magic, is that the world is made of words. And if you know the words that the world is made of, you can make of it whatever you wish." ~ Terence McKenna |
SoberLife
User ID: 77137947 United States 11/23/2018 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test If a person drinks too much water they die. Eat half a bottle of Tylenol and you die. I could spend the rest of my life naming examples of substances that are safe when taken in small dosages but lethal when massive amounts are introduced to the body. Kratom must be taken at extremely high dosages to cause issues, even if the user is ingesting an extract. I'm not convinced this experiment will be used as a way to make kratom illegal. It's more like one step to understanding safe dose requirements. |
Psychonaut SN7
(OP) User ID: 76355711 United States 11/23/2018 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test If a person drinks too much water they die. Eat half a bottle of Tylenol and you die. I could spend the rest of my life naming examples of substances that are safe when taken in small dosages but lethal when massive amounts are introduced to the body. Quoting: SoberLife Kratom must be taken at extremely high dosages to cause issues, even if the user is ingesting an extract. I'm not convinced this experiment will be used as a way to make kratom illegal. It's more like one step to understanding safe dose requirements. The IV part is what they are going to use & the fact they are claiming it's an Opiod. They are already hell bent on banning it, now "scientist" are claiming it's just as deadly as Heroin. Within a year or sooner the active ingredients will be Scheduled. Most Psychedelics have a good safety profile yet over half of them are Schedule 1. I have around 7 Unscheduled Psychedelic's in my collection atm. The only reason they haven't been banned yet is because they aren't that well known. Kratom however has become well known... "The syntactical nature of reality, the real secret of magic, is that the world is made of words. And if you know the words that the world is made of, you can make of it whatever you wish." ~ Terence McKenna |
Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 11/23/2018 02:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test "For thousands of people, the opioid-like plant kratom has been life-changing. But like many drugs, it’s not without potential risks. While patient interviews have revealed that kratom can offer some patients with chronic health conditions the relief that conventional opioids hadn’t and in some cases curbed dangerous opioid use, reality isn’t always so neat and clean. New research indicates that high enough doses of the two active molecules in kratom can cause death in mice, suggesting that it is possible to fatally overdose on the substance. Quoting: Psychonaut SN7 In a paper published October 31 in the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology, a team of researchers tested mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, the two main active molecules in kratom, on mice to establish their LD50 — a measure of lethal dosage. When researchers injected these chemicals into mice intravenously, they were lethal at around the same dosage as heroin. Whereas the mice injected with heroin died from an average dose of 23.7 milligrams per kilogram of body weight (mg/kgbw), the mice injected with mitragynine died from 27.8 mg/kgbw, and those injected with 7-hydroxymitragynine died from 24.7 mg/kgbw. The researchers found 547.7 mg/kgbw to be the average lethal dose of mitragynine when it was taken orally. None of the mice died from oral doses of 7-hydroxymitragynine, but the mice given large oral doses of 7-hydroxymitragynine experienced seizures and depressed breathing. These doses, fortunately, are out of the typical range of a kratom dosage. For instance, a 2015 study in Drug Design, Development and Therapy gave human subjects oral doses of kratom tea containing between 6.25 and 23 mg of mitragynine. For a person weighing 220 pounds, this translates to between 0.0625 and 0.23 milligrams per kilogram of body weight, over 100 times below the LD50 for mice. Of course, some kratom users push their limits, so it’s entirely possible some users get much higher doses. Nonetheless, there’s minimal evidence that they’re taking it intravenously. The team also developed a urine test for mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine that works in a similar way to other urine drug tests: by using an antibody to detect traces of drugs. In fact, this was their primary goal with the research, says Kim Janda, Ph.D., a professor of chemistry at Scripps and the corresponding author on the study." Read More: [link to www.inverse.com (secure)] I mean seriously? Injecting Kratom? LMFAO! A Human would literally have to take a shitload of Kratom's active ingredients to reach this supposed LD50 orally. Yet the FDA/DEA will use that & especially the IV part to finally Schedule Kratom or it's active ingredients. If they aren't complete assholes not all of them will be Schedule 1... Should be no problem, wild lettuce aka Opium Lettuce grows in your backyard naturally. Natural Pain Relief Plant Extract Like Morphine to Cure Many Pain Problems Naturally [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Wild Lettuce Opium Testimonial. It Truly Works better than synthetic narcotics [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] How to ID Wild Lettuce [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Last Edited by Victor Vectors on 11/23/2018 02:30 AM |
Psychonaut SN7
(OP) User ID: 76355711 United States 11/23/2018 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Last Edited by COSMIC WARRIOR on 11/23/2018 09:35 AM "The syntactical nature of reality, the real secret of magic, is that the world is made of words. And if you know the words that the world is made of, you can make of it whatever you wish." ~ Terence McKenna |
Ozric
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Shadowzz
User ID: 76292297 United States 11/23/2018 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test It's also fascinating to watch these scientists claim there is 'little to no' scientific research on Kratom - when studies all around the wold have shown the safety and efficacy of Kratom. Quoting: McShillin I have a hard time ascribing credibility to anyone who willfully ignores such a preponderance of evidence. [link to drive.google.com (secure)] ^^this^^ The push to demonize Kratom comes directly from big pharma. . ~Every human has 3 lives: Public, Private and SECRET~ |
Shadowzz
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Fluffy Pancakes
User ID: 77139016 United States 11/23/2018 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test If you ate a pound and a half of kratom, you would throw up long before you could eat that amount. More idiotic studies based in unreality to demonize a helpful plant. Big pharma must die. It's the only logical conclusion. Nature has our cures and big pharma has our demise. Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
Ozric
User ID: 76792171 United States 11/23/2018 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test If you ate a pound and a half of kratom, you would throw up long before you could eat that amount. Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes More idiotic studies based in unreality to demonize a helpful plant. Big pharma must die. It's the only logical conclusion. Nature has our cures and big pharma has our demise. They want to simply isolate, replicate, concentrate, and then eventually (in some cases already) eradicate. In the UK they did the same with Kava and its the ingredient in one of their most prescribed meds for depression... its simply about power , control and greed... as with all these things. I do exist, I'm pretty sure :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77139314 Greece 11/23/2018 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test If you ate a pound and a half of kratom, you would throw up long before you could eat that amount. Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes More idiotic studies based in unreality to demonize a helpful plant. Big pharma must die. It's the only logical conclusion. Nature has our cures and big pharma has our demise. They want to simply isolate, replicate, concentrate, and then eventually (in some cases already) eradicate. In the UK they did the same with Kava and its the ingredient in one of their most prescribed meds for depression... its simply about power , control and greed... as with all these things. |
Carebearnado
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InPneuma
User ID: 72314799 United States 11/23/2018 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Sure will. The three I take daily are kratom, kava, and valerian. The natural things that work for my chronic migraines, back pain, and insomnia they will surely go after. They are all good gifts from God that the satanic elite wants to eradicate. It is to keep us sick and addicted to synthetic substances. It makes my blood boil. "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -Thomas Jefferson, The Virginia Constitution of 1776, First Draft. MOLON LABE |
Timur2020
User ID: 72514678 United States 11/23/2018 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Its bunk and monstrous and will be exposed as such. I dare you to eat 10 grams of kratom....because you will quickly puke it all back up. The body won't tolerate it on the same safety triggers it has for other plants. Thats why they murdered the poor things by injection. To fool people. The mice could not have eaten enough to hurt them. Its all those people that make me hope there are the most terrible hells. Wtf kind of thing are they? "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line. Garden garden grow spices and medical plants too. I am a VeterAid volunteer for Arrogant Mushroom Healers of Alamogordo. |
Ozric
User ID: 76792171 United States 11/23/2018 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Its bunk and monstrous and will be exposed as such. I dare you to eat 10 grams of kratom....because you will quickly puke it all back up. The body won't tolerate it on the same safety triggers it has for other plants. Thats why they murdered the poor things by injection. To fool people. The mice could not have eaten enough to hurt them. Quoting: Timur2020 Its all those people that make me hope there are the most terrible hells. Wtf kind of thing are they? Prepare for the news stories of dying teens and overdosing housewives from Kratom coming to a local news station and paper near you... All under the guise of keeping us safe.. Same playbook every time I do exist, I'm pretty sure :) |
Carebearnado
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Callin
User ID: 63658239 United States 11/23/2018 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test ... Quoting: Psychonaut SN7 The team also developed a urine test for mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine that works in a similar way to other urine drug tests: by using an antibody to detect traces of drugs. In fact, this was their primary goal with the research, says Kim Janda, Ph.D., a professor of chemistry at Scripps and the corresponding author on the study." Read More: [link to www.inverse.com (secure)] I mean seriously? Injecting Kratom? LMFAO! A Human would literally have to take a shitload of Kratom's active ingredients to reach this supposed LD50 orally. Yet the FDA/DEA will use that & especially the IV part to finally Schedule Kratom or it's active ingredients. If they aren't complete assholes not all of them will be Schedule 1... That bolded part sucks, because that means they'll probably start adding it to standardized drug test in the near future. The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it - Orwell If you’re backed by Hollywood, social media, the government, and practically the entire globalist system, you are not the resistance -- you're part of the problem |
just a dude
User ID: 9647709 United States 11/23/2018 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test ... Quoting: Psychonaut SN7 The team also developed a urine test for mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine that works in a similar way to other urine drug tests: by using an antibody to detect traces of drugs. In fact, this was their primary goal with the research, says Kim Janda, Ph.D., a professor of chemistry at Scripps and the corresponding author on the study." Read More: [link to www.inverse.com (secure)] I mean seriously? Injecting Kratom? LMFAO! A Human would literally have to take a shitload of Kratom's active ingredients to reach this supposed LD50 orally. Yet the FDA/DEA will use that & especially the IV part to finally Schedule Kratom or it's active ingredients. If they aren't complete assholes not all of them will be Schedule 1... That bolded part sucks, because that means they'll probably start adding it to standardized drug test in the near future. You know it. Liability - work place accidents, deaths, dui |
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Free Indeed 73
User ID: 3472861 Canada 11/23/2018 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test It's also fascinating to watch these scientists claim there is 'little to no' scientific research on Kratom - when studies all around the wold have shown the safety and efficacy of Kratom. Quoting: McShillin I have a hard time ascribing credibility to anyone who willfully ignores such a preponderance of evidence. [link to drive.google.com (secure)] The FDA works for Big Pharma and most of the scientists and researchers and legal teams all have had previous employment positions within the top Big Pharma corporations and when these ridiculous "studies" come out they are preposterous and skewed in the favour of said pharmaceutical companies. You wanna see the man come down on you just mess with his god (money) Last Edited by Free Indeed 73 on 11/23/2018 11:22 AM Life is short Death is sure Sin the cause Christ the cure! |
humbird
User ID: 73158440 United States 11/23/2018 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test I have to credit a previous poster here who said that kratom will constipate you for a month. It's true. In that opoid manner. I honestly wonder if the name "kratom" did not derive from "crater in your rectum." I ordered a small amount after reading about it on GLP. I tried one teaspoon, four times. Weeks apart. Noticed shallow breathing and need for tons of water. Wasn't regular for a month. I think it should be legal, but labelled with a disclaimer---causes cessation of colon health. Nothing comes without a price. Hospice patients die of constipation. You can do it at home with kratom. "Aside from the small band of Forteans scattered around the world, nobody seems to notice all aspects of this phantasmagoria." John Keel |
Feyra
User ID: 77135687 United States 11/23/2018 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Omg, insane. Inject those same mice with lemonade and see what happens. Btw... They already have urine tests for kratom. For a couple years now. They made sure to have the urine tests ready in time when they class-1 it so they can scare poeple away from it, |
Feyra
User ID: 77135687 United States 11/23/2018 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test I have to credit a previous poster here who said that kratom will constipate you for a month. It's true. In that opoid manner. Quoting: humbird I honestly wonder if the name "kratom" did not derive from "crater in your rectum." I ordered a small amount after reading about it on GLP. I tried one teaspoon, four times. Weeks apart. Noticed shallow breathing and need for tons of water. Wasn't regular for a month. I think it should be legal, but labelled with a disclaimer---causes cessation of colon health. Nothing comes without a price. Hospice patients die of constipation. You can do it at home with kratom. Every strain is different from the others. Some are good for pain, others are good for energy, others for anxiety, etc. and within those main groups, some people still react differently. It's similar to finding the right cup of coffee or med. Some people can't do espresso. Some people are allergic to benedryl The people on hospice who die have chronic illnes, obstruction, etc... not constipation by itself. In fact, it's actually diarrhea that is one of the top 10 things people die of in the world |
Too Dark Park™ Two
User ID: 76924877 United States 11/23/2018 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Maybe while it is still not scheduled, people all across the southeast and west should liberally spread around seeds of these trees.... Quoting: Asymptote If I lived in a more temperate climate I'd hunt down seeds myself... I've read it's extremely hard to get ahold of these seeds. Kratom is a moisture-loving plant, and the seeds themselves need to be moist in order to remain capable of germination. Bless my fuck "It’s in my interest, in ours perhaps, or maybe the interests of the greater good, for me to smoke a joint, and calm down.” — Hunter S. Thompson "I've got the spirit, but lose the feeling!" :rockon: |
Timur2020
User ID: 72831216 United States 11/23/2018 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists Identify Kratom's LD50 By Injecting & Orally Overdosing Mice, Claim It's As Deadly As Heroin & Develop Urine Drug Test Its bunk and monstrous and will be exposed as such. I dare you to eat 10 grams of kratom....because you will quickly puke it all back up. The body won't tolerate it on the same safety triggers it has for other plants. Thats why they murdered the poor things by injection. To fool people. The mice could not have eaten enough to hurt them. Quoting: Timur2020 Its all those people that make me hope there are the most terrible hells. Wtf kind of thing are they? Prepare for the news stories of dying teens and overdosing housewives from Kratom coming to a local news station and paper near you... All under the guise of keeping us safe.. Same playbook every time I think I'll prepare a boat and a hundred kilos. The best part is they are trying the games with over 300 sellers and millions of users. We just have to keep signing and calling on those aka notices. "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line. Garden garden grow spices and medical plants too. I am a VeterAid volunteer for Arrogant Mushroom Healers of Alamogordo. |