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If anyone still thinks that the radical end-times "prophecy" movement is not a threat to peace and stability, think again. At the popular level, in terms of the TV preachers and the hot-selling prophecy books, the dispensational pre-trib stuff still reigns supreme. Most conservative-leaning Evangelical churches in America today are heavily influenced by popular dispensational theology to some extent. Even churches and pastors that don’t teach pretribulationalism still are influenced by dispensationalism to varying degrees.

The most dangerous element of this prophetic paradigm, however, is its doom-and-gloom view of the world. And in most cases, those who have a fascination with the end of the world have a particular fascination with war and militarism as well. More problematic, it assumes that their wars of choice are not just their own foreign policy preferences or personal opinions. Rather they are ordained by God. In 2003, more than a few pastors and influential Christian figures basically said that opposing the Iraq war was opposing God’s end-time plan. According to Evangelical end-times enthusiasts, if you opposed the Iraq war, you didn’t just hate your country and the troops, now you were opposing God and the Bible as well.

An even bigger obsession for dispensationalists has always been Israel. For the average dispensationalist, modern-day secular Israel is going to be the focal point in the end-times. Therefore, if the Bible really does teach in Daniel 9:27 that the Al-Aqsa Mosque is going to be torn down for a rebuilt Jewish Temple, why should any of us seek to prevent it? Sure, it very well might ignite a regional war and even ignite tensions around the world, but it's all part of God’s prophetic plan. Not to worry though, things might not get really ugly until after the "rapture," so the Christians today who are cheering for events that would bring about World War III won’t have to worry about it anyway. Unless of course, they are wrong about the whole thing.

Enter the Rev. John Hagee. Hagee is the pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio Texas, where he has 18,000 followers right in his own congregation. He also has a global television ministry and has sold scores of prophecy books over the years. John Hagee is perhaps the most powerful and influential Christian Zionist figure in America. Hagee has a long history making strange predictions about world events that are almost always wrong. His books in the late 90’s trumped up Y2K hysteria to ridiculous levels. He inaccurately predicted that the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin was the "Beginning of the End" in the book of the same name. In every book he writes, he is constantly warning of catastrophe in various forms right around the corner. According to one of his fans, he supposedly just preached a sermon predicting that 2007 would be a "significant" year in Bible prophecy and that his prophecy claims can be "mathematically" backed up by the Biblical text.

Given Hagee’s prior success rate in making predictions, don’t be shocked if 2007 doesn’t shape up to be all that "significant" after all. As with all popular prophecy teachers, they are immune from making inaccurate predictions and false prophecies. Their followers simply forget or forgive them. Maybe they’ll even claim that God changed His mind. Most don’t even pay attention though and don’t even realize their superstars are constantly revising their predictions and end-times charts.

However, Hagee is not just another goofy eccentric on TBN. He has political clout and regularly meets with influential national politicians. If you’ve ever watched him on TV, he clearly basks in this fact and drops little hints about his discussions with people in governmental authority and other positions of power. For years Hagee has hosted "A Night to Honor" Israel and is founder and chairman of Christians United for Israel. Their goals span beyond supporting Israel, but also implementing a one-sided and radical approach to the Arab-Israeli problems in the Middle East. There is no nuance to their policy prescriptions and ironically (or perhaps not so ironically) the agenda of Hagee and his group would actually make matters much worse in the Middle East.

And he has more than a few fans out there. He has not been afraid to remind his church and television audience, repeatedly over the years, that there are "millions in America and around the world watching this program right now." Whatever the number really is, what is clear is that Hagee is reaching many people and has a networking system that spans into the rich and powerful, some of whom are making national foreign policy decisions.

If left up to Hagee, there would be a military strike against Iran today. Since last summer, Hagee has been practically foaming at the mouth for a new war with Iran. Why? Because he thinks it is the rest of the world’s job to fight Israel’s wars and because he thinks such a showdown is a piece of the puzzle in regards to Bible prophecy. To Hagee, there is no middle ground on this issue. God told Abraham he would "bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you" (Gen. 12:3). That means if YOU aren’t on board with wars that might be in Israel’s interest, but not in the United States’, then YOU will be cursed by God. At least according to Hagee.

To see just how bellicose, belligerent, and militaristic Hagee has come, just watch his speech at the AIPAC Washington conference. Behind his thundering prose and love for the Jewish people is a militaristic and even fanatical mindset that is hoping and praying for the world to fall apart. After all, Jesus can’t come back unless it does, but all is well since Christians before the "rapture" will escape the worst of it.

Unfortunately for the Jewish people, they still await another massive holocaust, according to many dispensationalists. Anyone interested in this subject should read our own Gary North’s column, The Unannounced Reason Behind American Fundamentalism's Support for the State of Israel. An excerpt:

Nothing can or will be done by Christians to save Israel’s Jews from this disaster, for all of the Christians will have been removed from this world three and a half years prior to the beginning of this 42-month period of tribulation. (The total period of seven years is interpreted as the fulfillment of the seventieth week of Daniel [Dan. 9:27].)

In order for most of today’s Christians to escape physical death, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel must perish, soon. This is the grim prophetic trade-off that fundamentalists rarely discuss publicly, but which is the central motivation in the movement’s support for Israel. It should be clear why they believe that Israel must be defended at all costs by the West. If Israel were militarily removed from history prior to the Rapture, then the strongest case for Christians’ imminent escape from death would have to be abandoned. This would mean the indefinite delay of the Rapture. The fundamentalist movement thrives on the doctrine of the imminent Rapture, not the indefinitely postponed Rapture.

Every time you hear the phrase, "Jesus is coming back soon," you should mentally add, "and two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will be dead in ‘soon plus 84 months.’" Fundamentalists really do believe that they probably will not die physically, but to secure this faith prophetically, they must defend the doctrine of an inevitable holocaust.

This specific motivation for the support of Israel is never preached from any fundamentalist pulpit. The faithful hear sermons – many, many sermons – on the pretribulation Rapture. On other occasions, they hear sermons on the Great Tribulation. But they do not hear the two themes put together: "We can avoid death, but only because two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will inevitably die in a future holocaust. America must therefore support the nation of Israel in order to keep the Israelis alive until after the Rapture." Fundamentalist ministers expect their congregations to put two and two together on their own. It would be politically incorrect to add up these figures in public.

Again, however, one can’t make too big a fuss about this, since "Bible prophecy" demands this carnage. It’s "God’s will" for the world to fall apart, for tensions to further inflame between Jews and Arabs, for the United States to lead the charge in a pre-emptive strike on Iran, to rebuild a third Jewish Temple after tearing down the Islamic mosque, etc. All you have to do to prove this is cut passages like Genesis 12, Matthew 24, 2 Thessalonians 2, Ezekiel 36 and 37, and Daniel 9:24–27 out of context (along with the entire book of Revelation), make up some handy-dandy prophecy charts, and confidently present it to Biblically illiterate Christians who don’t know any better.

While there are many doctrinal disputes amongst Christians, there are none that have as much practical significance as this one. I strongly disagree with those who deny the Trinity, but those who deny the deity of Christ are not clamoring for war, bombs, and destruction. Likewise, Christians disagree vehemently over issues like eternal security or the proper mode of baptism, but thankfully we’ve grown up and stopped killing each other over those issues in the last couple hundred years.

When it comes to questionable or inaccurate beliefs about the end-times, however, they are shaping many people’s foreign policy and worldviews for the worse. It is causing many to hold troubling escapist views towards the world. I know this because I am constantly told by other Christians that "we are not in the business of fixing up the world, we are just in the business of saving souls until the rapture!" It is in part because of faulty eschatology that Evangelical Christians, more than any other demographic group in America, supported the ill-advised invasion of Iraq in 2003. And it is faulty eschatology that is causing this same group of people to believe the militaristic agenda behind Rev. Hagee’s bombastic oratory. After all, it’s all been ordained, so how can we oppose it?

But maybe, just maybe, their preciously held beliefs about future prophecy are way off. Maybe they are dead wrong in their views and maybe all the wars, destruction and carnage they think are inevitable aren’t necessarily mandated by God. Maybe the Bible is teaching exactly the opposite regarding these matters than what they teach.

Alas, no matter how many false predictions these guys make, or how many damaging theological and political beliefs they espouse, people continue to follow their dangerous teachings. It’s time for both Christian and non-Christian alike to call this crowd out on their bad theology, false prophecies, and deadly worldview.

Hopefully Hagee is right that 2007 is going to be a significant year in Bible prophecy. It would be significant indeed if Biblical scholars, pastors and laymen finally and at long last rescued the doctrine of eschatology from the doom and destruction crowd of militaristic pretribulationists. Here’s hoping that with each passing year the theology of Hagee and his ilk is exposed for how Biblically inaccurate and destructive it really is.


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He should go.
To Iran.
Next flight.
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My best friend attends his mega-church. She thinks he's wonderful. Her husband thinks she's just a little bonkers. I was down there in February and informed her of Hagee's "Dual Covenant." I saw her blink. She has NO idea!

Hagee needs to be exposed for the lying, money-grubbing, dual-covenant teaching adulterer that he is.
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If anyone still thinks that the radical end-times "prophecy" movement is not a threat to peace and stability, think again. At the popular level, in terms of the TV preachers and the hot-selling prophecy books, the dispensational pre-trib stuff still reigns supreme. Most conservative-leaning Evangelical churches in America today are heavily influenced by popular dispensational theology to some extent. Even churches and pastors that don’t teach pretribulationalism still are influenced by dispensationalism to varying degrees.

The most dangerous element of this prophetic paradigm, however, is its doom-and-gloom view of the world. And in most cases, those who have a fascination with the end of the world have a particular fascination with war and militarism as well. More problematic, it assumes that their wars of choice are not just their own foreign policy preferences or personal opinions. Rather they are ordained by God. In 2003, more than a few pastors and influential Christian figures basically said that opposing the Iraq war was opposing God’s end-time plan. According to Evangelical end-times enthusiasts, if you opposed the Iraq war, you didn’t just hate your country and the troops, now you were opposing God and the Bible as well.

An even bigger obsession for dispensationalists has always been Israel. For the average dispensationalist, modern-day secular Israel is going to be the focal point in the end-times. Therefore, if the Bible really does teach in Daniel 9:27 that the Al-Aqsa Mosque is going to be torn down for a rebuilt Jewish Temple, why should any of us seek to prevent it? Sure, it very well might ignite a regional war and even ignite tensions around the world, but it's all part of God’s prophetic plan. Not to worry though, things might not get really ugly until after the "rapture," so the Christians today who are cheering for events that would bring about World War III won’t have to worry about it anyway. Unless of course, they are wrong about the whole thing.

Enter the Rev. John Hagee. Hagee is the pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio Texas, where he has 18,000 followers right in his own congregation. He also has a global television ministry and has sold scores of prophecy books over the years. John Hagee is perhaps the most powerful and influential Christian Zionist figure in America. Hagee has a long history making strange predictions about world events that are almost always wrong. His books in the late 90’s trumped up Y2K hysteria to ridiculous levels. He inaccurately predicted that the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin was the "Beginning of the End" in the book of the same name. In every book he writes, he is constantly warning of catastrophe in various forms right around the corner. According to one of his fans, he supposedly just preached a sermon predicting that 2007 would be a "significant" year in Bible prophecy and that his prophecy claims can be "mathematically" backed up by the Biblical text.

Given Hagee’s prior success rate in making predictions, don’t be shocked if 2007 doesn’t shape up to be all that "significant" after all. As with all popular prophecy teachers, they are immune from making inaccurate predictions and false prophecies. Their followers simply forget or forgive them. Maybe they’ll even claim that God changed His mind. Most don’t even pay attention though and don’t even realize their superstars are constantly revising their predictions and end-times charts.

However, Hagee is not just another goofy eccentric on TBN. He has political clout and regularly meets with influential national politicians. If you’ve ever watched him on TV, he clearly basks in this fact and drops little hints about his discussions with people in governmental authority and other positions of power. For years Hagee has hosted "A Night to Honor" Israel and is founder and chairman of Christians United for Israel. Their goals span beyond supporting Israel, but also implementing a one-sided and radical approach to the Arab-Israeli problems in the Middle East. There is no nuance to their policy prescriptions and ironically (or perhaps not so ironically) the agenda of Hagee and his group would actually make matters much worse in the Middle East.

And he has more than a few fans out there. He has not been afraid to remind his church and television audience, repeatedly over the years, that there are "millions in America and around the world watching this program right now." Whatever the number really is, what is clear is that Hagee is reaching many people and has a networking system that spans into the rich and powerful, some of whom are making national foreign policy decisions.

If left up to Hagee, there would be a military strike against Iran today. Since last summer, Hagee has been practically foaming at the mouth for a new war with Iran. Why? Because he thinks it is the rest of the world’s job to fight Israel’s wars and because he thinks such a showdown is a piece of the puzzle in regards to Bible prophecy. To Hagee, there is no middle ground on this issue. God told Abraham he would "bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you" (Gen. 12:3). That means if YOU aren’t on board with wars that might be in Israel’s interest, but not in the United States’, then YOU will be cursed by God. At least according to Hagee.

To see just how bellicose, belligerent, and militaristic Hagee has come, just watch his speech at the AIPAC Washington conference. Behind his thundering prose and love for the Jewish people is a militaristic and even fanatical mindset that is hoping and praying for the world to fall apart. After all, Jesus can’t come back unless it does, but all is well since Christians before the "rapture" will escape the worst of it.

Unfortunately for the Jewish people, they still await another massive holocaust, according to many dispensationalists. Anyone interested in this subject should read our own Gary North’s column, The Unannounced Reason Behind American Fundamentalism's Support for the State of Israel. An excerpt:

Nothing can or will be done by Christians to save Israel’s Jews from this disaster, for all of the Christians will have been removed from this world three and a half years prior to the beginning of this 42-month period of tribulation. (The total period of seven years is interpreted as the fulfillment of the seventieth week of Daniel [Dan. 9:27].)

In order for most of today’s Christians to escape physical death, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel must perish, soon. This is the grim prophetic trade-off that fundamentalists rarely discuss publicly, but which is the central motivation in the movement’s support for Israel. It should be clear why they believe that Israel must be defended at all costs by the West. If Israel were militarily removed from history prior to the Rapture, then the strongest case for Christians’ imminent escape from death would have to be abandoned. This would mean the indefinite delay of the Rapture. The fundamentalist movement thrives on the doctrine of the imminent Rapture, not the indefinitely postponed Rapture.

Every time you hear the phrase, "Jesus is coming back soon," you should mentally add, "and two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will be dead in ‘soon plus 84 months.’" Fundamentalists really do believe that they probably will not die physically, but to secure this faith prophetically, they must defend the doctrine of an inevitable holocaust.

This specific motivation for the support of Israel is never preached from any fundamentalist pulpit. The faithful hear sermons – many, many sermons – on the pretribulation Rapture. On other occasions, they hear sermons on the Great Tribulation. But they do not hear the two themes put together: "We can avoid death, but only because two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will inevitably die in a future holocaust. America must therefore support the nation of Israel in order to keep the Israelis alive until after the Rapture." Fundamentalist ministers expect their congregations to put two and two together on their own. It would be politically incorrect to add up these figures in public.

Again, however, one can’t make too big a fuss about this, since "Bible prophecy" demands this carnage. It’s "God’s will" for the world to fall apart, for tensions to further inflame between Jews and Arabs, for the United States to lead the charge in a pre-emptive strike on Iran, to rebuild a third Jewish Temple after tearing down the Islamic mosque, etc. All you have to do to prove this is cut passages like Genesis 12, Matthew 24, 2 Thessalonians 2, Ezekiel 36 and 37, and Daniel 9:24–27 out of context (along with the entire book of Revelation), make up some handy-dandy prophecy charts, and confidently present it to Biblically illiterate Christians who don’t know any better.

While there are many doctrinal disputes amongst Christians, there are none that have as much practical significance as this one. I strongly disagree with those who deny the Trinity, but those who deny the deity of Christ are not clamoring for war, bombs, and destruction. Likewise, Christians disagree vehemently over issues like eternal security or the proper mode of baptism, but thankfully we’ve grown up and stopped killing each other over those issues in the last couple hundred years.

When it comes to questionable or inaccurate beliefs about the end-times, however, they are shaping many people’s foreign policy and worldviews for the worse. It is causing many to hold troubling escapist views towards the world. I know this because I am constantly told by other Christians that "we are not in the business of fixing up the world, we are just in the business of saving souls until the rapture!" It is in part because of faulty eschatology that Evangelical Christians, more than any other demographic group in America, supported the ill-advised invasion of Iraq in 2003. And it is faulty eschatology that is causing this same group of people to believe the militaristic agenda behind Rev. Hagee’s bombastic oratory. After all, it’s all been ordained, so how can we oppose it?

But maybe, just maybe, their preciously held beliefs about future prophecy are way off. Maybe they are dead wrong in their views and maybe all the wars, destruction and carnage they think are inevitable aren’t necessarily mandated by God. Maybe the Bible is teaching exactly the opposite regarding these matters than what they teach.

Alas, no matter how many false predictions these guys make, or how many damaging theological and political beliefs they espouse, people continue to follow their dangerous teachings. It’s time for both Christian and non-Christian alike to call this crowd out on their bad theology, false prophecies, and deadly worldview.

Hopefully Hagee is right that 2007 is going to be a significant year in Bible prophecy. It would be significant indeed if Biblical scholars, pastors and laymen finally and at long last rescued the doctrine of eschatology from the doom and destruction crowd of militaristic pretribulationists. Here’s hoping that with each passing year the theology of Hagee and his ilk is exposed for how Biblically inaccurate and destructive it really is.


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I thought Ahmadidadoodoo is the one who said the bule madhi an his blue space bubble would bring armageddon lol But I do wonder if fat @$$ hagee knows that most of the jews who come on his tv program are probly talmud an not messianic believers in Yahshua as messiah.He probly doesnt even ask.Just says check please lol
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Amazing. How can someone be a follower of Christ and want war?
Tell him to shove a helmet on his fat head and go to Iraq if he wants a war.
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Amazing. How can someone be a follower of Christ and want war?
Tell him to shove a helmet on his fat head and go to Iraq if he wants a war.
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I have listened to Hagee in the past, and have never cared much for him. He is wrong on many of his 'teachings' and does not seem to want to learn or know any better.

If he is pushing for a war, he is wrong. It is not our (a Christian) place to advocate war or any political movement. (Moral corruption excluded)

Now having said that...There is no way Hagee or any one else, can do anything to bring about 'end time' prophecies.

The prophecies will be brought about in GOD'S own time, and there is nothing we can do to hurry them up or slow them done. GOD is in control, not John Hageee.


So I would not worry about who he knows or who he thinks he can influence. It does not matter. Nothing will happen until GOD wills it.
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Well, give him a gun and let him go take them on.

'Course, usually those talking the most war won't be the ones fighting it.
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Interesting article. As you know i dont believe in war but this world will go through some major changes because of those who do believe in war. Whether their beliefs stem from the bible or not. Many people on Earth christians and non christians ...even atheist want to fight it out all the time. Fighting is all they know. So its not just christians who want the wars to start.

Many of all beliefs talk about the "necessity" of war. This is an old problem. In my opinion this problem is older than the bible and as old as the human race. We struggle with our own ignorance.

But learning about the power of our own soul and its connection to God can lead to much enlightenment. It can lead us out of and away from war ...forever.

I do also believe that the supposed christians that want to fight these wars will NOT be raptured or go to heaven i believe they will go to hell. Why should they get raptured (the escape route) after they helped cause the wars to begin with ? That doesnt sound fair at all. I believe God would be more fair than that. Its amazing that they can think of being raptured while causing problems ...causing massive amounts of pain, suffering and death. Amazing.

Good article Heidi.
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I have listened to Hagee in the past, and have never cared much for him. He is wrong on many of his 'teachings' and does not seem to want to learn or know any better.

If he is pushing for a war, he is wrong. It is not our (a Christian) place to advocate war or any political movement. (Moral corruption excluded)

Now having said that...There is no way Hagee or any one else, can do anything to bring about 'end time' prophecies.

The prophecies will be brought about in GOD'S own time, and there is nothing we can do to hurry them up or slow them done. GOD is in control, not John Hageee.


So I would not worry about who he knows or who he thinks he can influence. It does not matter. Nothing will happen until GOD wills it.
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I agree with you on some points but disagree with you on one particular but important point. I believe too many wars at the wrong time is what causes "God's wrath" to begin with. God would have no wrath if not for the wars. ALL the wars. But that is the way i see God. My God is not a bloodthirsty psychopath. Man destroys man not God. God is life. Man too often is death.
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Hagee needs to be exposed for the lying, money-grubbing, dual-covenant teaching adulterer that he is.
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"Dual-covenant teaching adulterer" is right! He admits to being a Christian Zionist. If you can, you might want to listen to his speech at the AIPAC. UnAmerican, to say the least.

Several of these mega churches are nothing more than fronts for the CIA, so it stands to reason that the cause of Israel should be hyped, using the Bible to sway the masses who don't read it for themselves. So, googly-eyed, they sit enthralled, listening to the likes of a John Hagee. Um mm.

These poor ignorant souls dig into their bank accounts to support Hagee's rants and lifestyle instead of giving it to the poor right here in America.
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As a Christian I don't really agree with Hagee on many issues, he suffers what 99.9% of all TV preachers suffer from. Greed Which leads them to preach a false Gospel
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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I have listened to Hagee in the past, and have never cared much for him. He is wrong on many of his 'teachings' and does not seem to want to learn or know any better.

If he is pushing for a war, he is wrong. It is not our (a Christian) place to advocate war or any political movement. (Moral corruption excluded)

Now having said that...There is no way Hagee or any one else, can do anything to bring about 'end time' prophecies.

The prophecies will be brought about in GOD'S own time, and there is nothing we can do to hurry them up or slow them done. GOD is in control, not John Hageee.


So I would not worry about who he knows or who he thinks he can influence. It does not matter. Nothing will happen until GOD wills it.
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I agree with you on some points but disagree with you on one particular but important point. I believe too many wars at the wrong time is what causes "God's wrath" to begin with. God would have no wrath if not for the wars. ALL the wars. But that is the way i see God. My God is not a bloodthirsty psychopath. Man destroys man not God. God is life. Man too often is death.
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The fulfillment of GOD'S plan, is not GOD'S wrath.

That does not mean there will be wars.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Here in America - in GOD we still trust...
Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet!
Be Still! - And know that He is God.
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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My best friend attends his mega-church. She thinks he's wonderful. Her husband thinks she's just a little bonkers. I was down there in February and informed her of Hagee's "Dual Covenant." I saw her blink. She has NO idea!

Hagee needs to be exposed for the lying, money-grubbing, dual-covenant teaching adulterer that he is.
 Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild



Dual covenant? adulterer? Explain? Link?
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"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


Silence is consent.
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I have listened to Hagee in the past, and have never cared much for him. He is wrong on many of his 'teachings' and does not seem to want to learn or know any better.

If he is pushing for a war, he is wrong. It is not our (a Christian) place to advocate war or any political movement. (Moral corruption excluded)

Now having said that...There is no way Hagee or any one else, can do anything to bring about 'end time' prophecies.

The prophecies will be brought about in GOD'S own time, and there is nothing we can do to hurry them up or slow them done. GOD is in control, not John Hageee.


So I would not worry about who he knows or who he thinks he can influence. It does not matter. Nothing will happen until GOD wills it.
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I agree with you on some points but disagree with you on one particular but important point. I believe too many wars at the wrong time is what causes "God's wrath" to begin with. God would have no wrath if not for the wars. ALL the wars. But that is the way i see God. My God is not a bloodthirsty psychopath. Man destroys man not God. God is life. Man too often is death.


The fulfillment of GOD'S plan, is not GOD'S wrath.
...............

That does not mean there will be wars.
 Quoting: Country


Do you see mankind being able to settle their differences in any other way besides war ? Do you see that in this time period or in the near future ?
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Ya know, if Jesus were ever to actually return to Earth, it
will be folks like Hagee who will be the first to panic.
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He may be too busy bowing his head in shame - upon realizing how he has mislead the people.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Here in America - in GOD we still trust...
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Be Still! - And know that He is God.
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Amazing. How can someone be a follower of Christ and want war?
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Self hate.

If you are interested in the origins of evil, this vid is a must see ( 1h50mins).

[link to video.google.com]
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My best friend attends his mega-church. She thinks he's wonderful. Her husband thinks she's just a little bonkers. I was down there in February and informed her of Hagee's "Dual Covenant." I saw her blink. She has NO idea!

Hagee needs to be exposed for the lying, money-grubbing, dual-covenant teaching adulterer that he is.



Dual covenant? adulterer? Explain? Link?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 159906

Hagee divorced his wife and remarried a woman he was having an affair with [link to encycl.opentopia.com]
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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I have listened to Hagee in the past, and have never cared much for him. He is wrong on many of his 'teachings' and does not seem to want to learn or know any better.

If he is pushing for a war, he is wrong. It is not our (a Christian) place to advocate war or any political movement. (Moral corruption excluded)

Now having said that...There is no way Hagee or any one else, can do anything to bring about 'end time' prophecies.

The prophecies will be brought about in GOD'S own time, and there is nothing we can do to hurry them up or slow them done. GOD is in control, not John Hageee.


So I would not worry about who he knows or who he thinks he can influence. It does not matter. Nothing will happen until GOD wills it.
*********

I agree with you on some points but disagree with you on one particular but important point. I believe too many wars at the wrong time is what causes "God's wrath" to begin with. God would have no wrath if not for the wars. ALL the wars. But that is the way i see God. My God is not a bloodthirsty psychopath. Man destroys man not God. God is life. Man too often is death.


The fulfillment of GOD'S plan, is not GOD'S wrath.
...............

That does not mean there will be wars.


Do you see mankind being able to settle their differences in any other way besides war ? Do you see that in this time period or in the near future ?
 Quoting: * Life Line 168461



Mankind is not who I am putting my faith and trust in - GOD is.

Human kind - that time is about up.

Do you know what happens at the last trump? (the 7th, GOD'S trump)
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Here in America - in GOD we still trust...
Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet!
Be Still! - And know that He is God.
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I heard somewhere, maybe it was on here, or maybe it was from my mom; that the reason why certains sects in christianity voted for Bush is because they wanted to speed up the rapture.
This is probably why the televangelist dude wants war. He wants the rapture to come.

But I think he forgot that only the riteous get swept up in the rapture.
Dreams will begin as they fade into chaos.
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Geeze, what an entrepreneur. He charges for classes. I've never heard of any church doing that.


In addition to the usual book and tape sales Cornerstone church actually charges for adult ministry classes. Here is a list from the Cornerstone website

Marriage & Family Class - Cost $55 per couple Cornerstone members $65 per couple non-members

Marriage Intimacy - Cost $55 per couple Cornerstone members $65 per couple non-members



Men Of God - Cost $40 Cornerstone members, $50 non-members

SAVIOR - Sexual Abuse Recovery Class for Women


Cost $25 Cornerstone members $30 non-members

Search for Significance Class - (Formerly the Self Esteem Class)
Cost $15 for members and $20 for non-members

Divorce Recovery Class - Cost: $20 Cornerstone members, $25 non-members

Grief Share – Grief Share is for people who are grieving the death of someone close to them. No cost for the class; workbooks available for $15

For all classes - Limited Scholarship assistance available – contact Adult Ministries

How do I apply for limited scholarship assistance? Email us and tell us why you need a scholarship.



Shame! Shame! Shame!

……freely ye have received, freely give. Math 10:8

One other interesting tidbit I found was this, the Hagee family apparently just recently moved back into their home. They had moved out and were living in a rental home for 18 months due to toxic black mold.

In case you haven’t heard of this problem, black mold is a term commonly used to describe a particular form of mold or mildew which can result in serious health risk. This infamous mold is also known as Strachybotrys chartarum. It has been closely linked to the death of babies from respiratory bleeding, and as a contributing factor to illnesses such as asthma and bronchitis. According to the Center of Disease Control, this mold is responsible for over "100 cases of lung disorders".

Did you know that this is one of the curses God promises to send on those who will not listen to Him?

The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. Deut 28:22

God is speaking Mr. Hagee. Are you listening?

For more information on Hagees heretical beliefs regarding the salvation of the Jewish people apart from Christ please see



John Hagee's Dual Covenant Duplicity


An Open Letter to John Hagee - Does Israel Need Jesus?



From Personal Freedom Outreach The Other Gospel of John Hagee

Steve Lumbley 2004 www.apostasywatch.com
This article may be reproduced and distributed free of charge as long as it remains in its original form.
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I heard somewhere, maybe it was on here, or maybe it was from my mom; that the reason why certains sects in christianity voted for Bush is because they wanted to speed up the rapture.
This is probably why the televangelist dude wants war. He wants the rapture to come.

But I think he forgot that only the riteous get swept up in the rapture.
 Quoting: SpectrumBlue



No, What he doe not know or understand is - there is NO such thing as a rapture.

And anyone with a brain, knows no man can speed up or slow down GOD'S plan - by electing certain people for office. Or by any other means.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Here in America - in GOD we still trust...
Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet!
Be Still! - And know that He is God.
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Dual covenant? adulterer? Explain? Link?
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Mathetes covered the adultery issue.

Here are a few links regarding Hagee's belief in a DUAL COVENANT...

[link to www.dissidentvoice.org]
Pastor John Hagee Spearheads Christians United for Israel

[link to www.apostasywatch.com]
John Hagee’s Dual Covenant Duplicity

[link to worldnetdaily.com]
Falwell: Jerusalem Post 'fabricated' story on me
Newspaper claimed Christian evangelist had new tune on how Jews get to heaven
(Hagee mentioned)

[link to www.cephas-library.com]
HAGEE AND FALWELL: THE MATTER OF DUAL COVENANT THEOLOGY
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


Silence is consent.
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Yes. Interesting that a pastor was the one who wrote the article.
"but you ain't got no legs Lt Dan"
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So god insists that he wants to destroy the word and turn every life form into raw hamburger?

That's a really lousy god!

Must be one of those ancient desert vulture deities, shapeshifting through time, scouring the skies in search for dead meat.
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Thanks for the video link,

I would venture to speculate that this guy(Hagee) could care a less regarding Israel or Iran, He's prolly just trying to cover his own ass through his spiritual manipulation(witchcraft), by chanting to a letter of prophecy regarding blessing Israel, in hopes that he can get blessed. Fortunately it doesn't work that way with God. God is neither manipulated nor duped like this guy is attempting to do with the crowd he is speaking to. God sees the heart of every man, so He will deal accordingly with this as well.





GLP