John Hagee claimed Iran will nuke Israel and the U.S.

i listened to him on MIKE SAVAGE today too...he was speaking on the same topic

Doesn't Cavuto cover business?

Someone has to free us from these murderous lying tyrant terrorists thugs who took over our country... I'm not picky about who does it. John Hagee has been bought and paid for by Israel Special interests, he'll now tell any lie and spread any propaganda they want him to.

I dont agree with hagee, and now here is another.... this is being done on purpose to set up those who call themselves christians to be equated with fundamentalists and then TERRORISTS

[link to www.palmbeachpost.com]

Prince of Peace is being asked to promote war

By Steve Gushee

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Friday, August 18, 2006

A growing number of benighted Christians promote the God of peace as a blood-thirsty warmonger. A profoundly misguided preacher from Texas leads them.

John Hagee is the latest cheerleader of a belligerent and wholly non-Christian God. Nevertheless, many evangelical Christians agree with him.

They believe that military conquest, death and destruction are God's avenue to the Promised Land. They work to bring about Armageddon, the last great biblical battle that will destroy unbelievers and usher in the reign of Christ.

Since they believe that mythical cataclysm must take place in a Holy Land ruled by Jews, they vehemently support Israel and clamor for the destruction of her enemies.

Their aim is not to help Jews or safeguard Israel. Their purpose is to trigger the events that enable Jesus to return and convert or kill all Jews and other unbelievers.

The biblical Armageddon is akin to the final mythic battle between good and evil found in many religious traditions. Neither God nor the author of Revelation where the battle is described intended it to shape contemporary geopolitics or military strategy.

Those who so misuse Christian Scripture are no better than Muslims who pervert their faith to one that encourages suicide bombers. Hagee promotes just such warped nonsense from his Christian perspective.

The graduate of something called the Southwestern Bible Institute is the founder of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. He claims a congregation of more than 18,000 people and an audience of millions on more than 160 radio and television stations.

He organized and presided over a meeting of more than 3,500 evangelical Christians in Washington in July to insist that God enthusiastically supports the slaughter taking place in Israel and Lebanon.

The idea that Israel might show restraint in military operations is a violation of "God's foreign policy," according to Hagee. To prove his point, he cites a verse from the earliest chapters of Scripture that says God will curse those who curse the nation Abraham creates (Genesis 12:3).

He overlooked a word from Jesus that teaches him to "bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you" (Luke 6:28).

Israel makes whatever military decisions she thinks necessary. Hagee, however, blasphemously invokes the God he calls the Prince of Peace to encourage violence in that blood-soaked land.

Islamic extremists do no less.

Christian wingnuts....as dangerous as the jihadists.

Make no mistake, John says what is on his mind and in his heart. He can scare the crap out of someone with doubt in their mind in a matter of seconds.

He's no fence sitter for sure.

I was bored and listening to the interview with chris bollyn so I plugged in "john hagee" into google news.. and now I see there has been a lot of talk about him this past week

[link to www.newshounds.us]

News Hounds

His Agenda Kept a Secret, Fox Gives Airtime to a Radical Christian Pastor Trying to Orchestrate Armageddon
Reported by Melanie - August 15, 2006 - 68 comments

This morning (August 15, 2006) DemocracyNow aired a segment titled, Christians United for Israel: New Christian Zionism Lobby Hopes to Rival AIPAC. Amy Goodman's guest, Max Blumenthal, spoke at length about the leader of Christians United for Israel, John Hagee, who Blumenthal said has, "an Armageddon-based agenda for supporting Israel."

Blumenthal also said,

So now you have Christians United for Israel, which was founded in February by John Hagee, who commands a mega-church in San Antonio with 18,000 members. He's a huge force in Texas politics, a close, personal friend of Tom DeLay. And what this organization has done is they've convened all of the major Christian Zionist mega-churches in the country under one umbrella group, and they've hired a lobbyist. Hagee has a lot of money through his congregation. And their lobbyist is a guy named David Brog, who’s the former chief of staff to Arlen Specter, and he's Jewish, so this makes him a huge asset to this organization, because he can beat back criticism from other Jewish leaders that Christian Zionists harbor ulterior motives for supporting Israel, that they have an Armageddon-based agenda for supporting Israel.

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(re: hagee's segment on fox tv)

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Comment: During the segment Hagee was identified as a "pastor," as the pastor of the "Cornerstone Church," and as being from Christians United for Israel. At no time was his agenda made known to the audience and, no offense intended toward those who refer to their religious leaders as clerics, Fox's audience had no idea it was watching a man who is a Christian version of the "radical clerics" Fox News so loves to hate and that it uses to scare its audience with nearly every day.




go to link for the rest

The MSM in the USA is nearly as bad as the media in the Islamic world. Rather than providing Hagee a platform to pontificate on religion and theology, they're asking him to address matters of politics and intelligence matters. He is a theologian/preacher. That's his area of 'expertise'. It's as ridiculous to have him addressing intelligence matters as it is to have a mullah in Iran telling people in Iran about what the USA intends to do with Iran.

[link to youtube.com]

Trouble's coming, whether in Israel and/or here in the US.

"It's like watching a murder take place ... and knowing the murderers will pose as our saviors. "

ARGHHHHHH!

this gets worse!

includes VIDEO

[link to mediamatters.org]


Thu, Aug 17, 2006 5:49pm EST

Cavuto hosted Armageddon author Joel Rosenberg -- noted as a "Middle East analyst" -- who cited Ahmadinejad's apocalyptic vision while ignoring his own

Summary: Fox News' Neil Cavuto hosted Christian author Joel C. Rosenberg, who warned of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's "apocalyptic mind-set," asserting that Ahmadinejad "is saying ... that the end of the world is rapidly approaching and that it's his mission to bring it about by destroying Israel and ... the United States." But neither Cavuto nor Rosenberg disclosed that Rosenberg is the author of a book laying out his vision of the Apocalypse and has claimed that he had been invited to the White House, Capitol Hill, and the CIA to discuss the Rapture and the Middle East.

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see the link for the rest
isnt Rosenberg the SAME GUY Hagee chose to be his lobbyist?

ROSENBERG: ...... People don't appreciate yet, particularly in the media --Mike Wallace for sure -- don't appreciate or understand the evil that is rising in Iran, and that's what I'm trying to write about in novels. That's what I'm trying to talk about -- is the religious, end-of-the-world, apocalyptic mind-set that Ahmadinejad has. You can't negotiate with someone, ultimately, who believes it's his mission to end the world.

CAVUTO: OK. Joel Rosenberg, thank you very much.

ROSENBERG: Thank you, Neil.

CAVUTO: We'll see where this goes.



well guess what? I dont want irans madi and I dont want rosenberge messiah neither

Did Savage agree with him? What did he say?

Hagee is a fine "Christian" leader, no? He's a friend to Benny Hinn, right?

This article was linked by another GLPer some weeks back. It made a strong impression on me, especially since Hagee is the pastor of my best friend's church. She has always begged me to attend services with her, but I've always declined because Hagee...for lack of a better term...CREEPS ME OUT. I grew up in a family of preachers and teachers. What Hagee teaches was never a part of the Gospel that I learned as a child.

He claims to be a "Christian" Evangelical and ministers over a "Christian" church, yet he preaches a "dual covenant" theology that doesn't jive with anything I've ever known.

He's just creepy. Rich, and creepy.

[link to www.pfo.org]
THE OTHER GOSPEL OF JOHN HAGEE
CHRISTIAN ZIONISM AND ETHNIC SALVATION
by G. Richard Fisher

"...BORN WITH A YARMULKE OR BORN AGAIN?

If just the above were all that could be reported on John Hagee, some might say there should not be major concern and there probably would not be. So what that he is divorced, a promoter of word-faith teaching and its proponents, and a slick marketeer for religious goods and products? So what that he showed insensitivity to African-Americans? It can all be overlooked since he helps so many and sends so much money to Israel, not to mention his contesting the service and fees of the U.S. Postal Service.

Yet, of additional and more serious concern is that Hagee reported to the Houston Chronicle that he believes that Jews already have a covenant with God and a relationship to God and do not need to come to the cross. Hearing this is startling. Hagee told the newspaper:

“I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.”9

This certainly is a shocking statement in the light of Jesus’ words that “no man comes to the Father but through me” (John 14:6). John further writes, in his first Epistle: “He who does not have the Son of God does not have life” (1 John 5:12).

The Apostle Paul, as well, would say the opposite of Hagee: “I do not set aside the grace of God: for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21). Paul is affirming that nothing that the Old Testament offered could avail apart from the death of Jesus.

The Houston Chronicle article further reported:

“John Hagee, fundamentalist pastor from San Antonio and friend of Israel, is truly a strange fish. ... The man has a mission. He’s out to attack anti-Semitism. He also believes that Jews can come to God without going through Jesus Christ.”10

The Houston newspaper then quoted Hagee’s own shocking words: “I’m not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith.”

And further revealed:

“In fact, trying to convert Jews is a ‘waste of time,’ he said. ‘The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They (already) have a faith structure.’ Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity, he says.”11

Hagee went on to tell the Houston reporter that Paul abandoned the idea of Jews knowing Christ when he went to the Gentiles. Jewish evangelism, both presently and in antiquity, is not a failure as Hagee stated but a huge success as many missions and missionaries can report.

Christian Research Institute has also reported on this highly unorthodox view held by Hagee:

“Information about Hagee from other sources reveals he seriously differs with the vast majority of dispensational teachers because he believes that Jewish people do not need to be saved, since they are under a different covenant.” ...

...But Hagee has, in his own words, affirmed and elucidated his view of some Jews having salvation without Christ and, in fact, the Houston Chronicle presented a nearly correct version of his position. In a six-page letter to former CRI researcher Erwin M. de Castro, dated Oct. 18, 1994, Hagee elaborated on his view that chapters 9 through 11 of Romans applies exclusively to Jews and no one else. In the letter, Hagee said unabashedly:

“Here is my position on the Jewish people... Fact One: God has not cast away the Jewish people. Fact Two: According to Romans 11:5 there are Jewish people (‘a remnant’) who have a spiritual relationship with God at this present time... according to ‘the election of grace.’”13

Hagee went on to explain that the blindness of Jews in Romans 11:7-8 is only a blindness to the identity of the Messiah, to which he adds, “Paul calls the Jewish people, chosen by the election of grace and not broken off in judgment (Romans 11:17) holy.”14

Hagee then, once again, nuances his position:

“If some of the branches are broken off, that clearly means there are some of the branches not broken off. If they are not broken off, they remain yet on the tree which means they have relationship to God by the election of grace.”15

Here, no matter what he labels it, Hagee commits to a modified “Dual Covenant” view.

On page five of his letter, Hagee repeats his assertion that the blindness of Israel is only as to the identity of the Messiah, not spiritual blindness associated with lack of salvation. However, Paul confirms that the veil of blindness on Jewish eyes can only be taken away in Christ when regenerated by the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:14-18).

In his summation Hagee leaves no question at all as he states:

“There are Jewish people who have relationship with God right now according to the election of grace. (Romans 11:5) ... The Jewish people are judicially blinded to the identity of Messiah... Question: If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see? ... Inasmuch as God has blinded them to the identity of Messiah, targeting the Jewish people for mass evangelism is fruitless.”16 ...

...In short, Hagee believes that some Jews are not saved by the cross of Christ but by prior election and their pedigree in Abraham. There is a way of salvation in Christ and an election of grace for the Jew apart from Christ. No matter how you nuance it or define it, this is “Two Covenant” theology. This can be classified technically as a modified “Dual Covenant” idea regardless of what Hagee wants to call it or not call it. Hagee believes that two covenants are in force: A covenant of election for the Jew and a covenant of grace for the Gentile. This is an attack on the very Gospel as presented by Jesus and Paul, as we’ll see. And then what about half Jews or Jewish converts? Where do they stand? ..."

I agree, that was really stupid.

Maybe that is the only time I have every agreed with you Aeon!

Hagee might as well grow horns and carry a pitch fork

if this is what God means by giving a person over to his own vile affections, then wow I have a lot to be thankful for that God has warned me about people like Hagee

I NEEDED God to deliver me from listening to Hagee and others on the christian cable networks over the past, say, about 2 years. Just as God delivered me from the NESARA scam in about 2002.

without the true help of the Holy Spirit there is no way not to be deceived

I am still in shock about all these types that are like Hagee

the people in their congregations are trapped like sheep in a pen of satan

its HORRIBLE

I didn't hear the whole program, but he kept asking John questions like he was very concerned...

You all need to be prepared to die since the govt and the people of the US fail to profile muslims, fail to stop illegals, fail to permit our laws to be overextended, fall to give up some of your freedoms and privacy to protect us.

You hear it time after time, THEY are already here and waiting for a sign or order to strike and the phoney govt tyranny that many of you believe is gonna happen will look like a walk in the park compared to what terror will look like.

I hope to God that our President continues to protect us in spite of pur freedoms cause the liberals and the moderate repubs wont

Yes, they are here and as soon as Iran makes a bomb, which will be about 10-12 years from now at least, Ahmadinejad will tap the magic Allah stick 3 times and the bomb will be magically teleported to the sleepy cells here in the US for immediate use.

If I were you, I wouldn't be afraid of terrorists as much as I would be afraid of the people whose freedoms were stolen from them because of morons like you.

I see it more as the old saying "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer"

He knows Benny has a large following and that he should garner that audience as well. Laying hands on for profit is the last thing you will see Hagee do.

His preachings are based on "God's Land Of Israel" and that alone. He doesn't pull punches based on the popular belief that the present day Israel is not the one many wished it to be.

Iran produced already a bomb.

Hizbollah has delivered three of their medium to long range rockets to carry combined the payload.

Expect soon a 3 to 4 inch crater in the heart of Washington. - or near Washington - could be also closer to the Mediterranian...

Call him Mike Weener. His real last name is "weener." Id change my name to savage too if I had a weener for a name.

LMFAO Iran already has the nuke! When the US went to war with Afghanistan , NK was moving missles to Iran and amoung them was nuclear warheads.

Another NOTsee, I take it.

Why does your Avatar and the word "weener" sound like they belong in the same sentence to me?

When you are 9 years old, you usually have had at least 4 years of experience on a bicycle, 3 years on a tricycle, and about a year on a rocking horse. What naturally comes to mind next as the thing to conquer? Why, it’s a mini-bike, of course.

In the fall of 1973, I was an average 3rd grader living in Hartselle, AL. I was not involved in sports or that sort of thing at school. I basically went to school, did my work, came home, did my homework, and tried to be sick as often as I could. I had nothing better to do than daydream about a mini-bike that I had seen that past summer. It was a mini-bike that a friend of my dad's had bought his son for his birthday. Upon visiting them, I became obsessed with having one for myself. This was especially true since the little twerp I was visiting didn't even offer to let me ride his.

Well, I hounded my dad for weeks. Finally, one Friday afternoon, after he had handed the last of his employees a paycheck from our kitchen table, he proudly announced, "Now let's go get Chris' mini-bike out of the back of my truck."

I couldn't believe my ears! Was I just dreaming.... again? We walked outside, (at least my parents walked, I ran like a scalded dog) and sure enough under a tarp.... there it was.... a slightly used but shiny red mini-bike. I was jumping around like Mike Faulkner on valiums. I couldn't stand the tension. It seemed like forever before my dad got it all gassed up and ready. Finally, he told me to mount my wild steed and get ready to ride it around the yard.

I promptly sat down on the mini-bike and was instantly transformed into a member of the Hell's Angels. Dad pulled the handle on the starter rope and nothing happened. He tried once more and still nothing happened. So he told me to give it just a little bit of gas. I gently eased back on the throttle until he said “that's enough.” But while he was pulling on the rope I impatiently eased back on the throttle just a little bit more. This time, the engine fired and with the gas being, well... wide open, the little mini-bike lurched forward jerking my dad's left arm nearly out of socket.

The next thing I knew, the world was slightly blurred on the edges of my view. The mini-bike had become a thing possessed and out of control. It never occurred to me to try to stop the small-piece-of-metal-with-a-motor from its nuclear powered journey. I don't even remember what direction I was headed in when the ordeal started. I only knew that I was looking directly ahead at the major 4-lane highway that we lived by.

I would like to be able to report that I calmly turned the little Harley wannabe out of harm's way, but I did no such thing. It was all I could do to hang on. I do believe in angels though.... because suddenly the bike was headed in the opposite direction back toward my dad, mom, and his employee. Dad was doing something with both arms that made me think I was flying a jet and was about to land on the deck of the U.S.S. Enterprise. Mom was making a gesture that later became a trademark for Macaulay Culkin in the "Home Alone" movies. The employee standing there with them had that "deer caught in the headlights" look.

As I passed by the three of them, I could hear my dad shouting something about a brake peddle. Of course, before the ordeal began, he had pointed the little lever on the right side of the bike out to me, explaining that it was the back wheel brake. I was heading over to the side of our house and towards the neighbors backyard when I remembered this.

My first attempt at stomping on the brake only caused the direction of the demon-bike to alter a bit. This was because, at that exact moment, I ran over a small indention in the yard, which caused my foot to miss the lever and stomp on the grass. Once my Converse connected with the ground, my foot wanted to stop but the bike did not. The foot-peg on the right side of the bike reminded the back part of my ankle and calve that the game was not quite over yet. (I had that frog for about a week.)

I was just crossing into the neighbor’s yard when an unknown force directed my right foot to try again to stop. This time I connected. The resulting skid mark that was left by the back tire on the grass was unlike any I have ever encountered. Even those I had made in the porcelain bowl after a hearty Mexican dinner could not compare.

When my dad reached me, he had to pry my hands from the handle bars with a crow bar. As he and his employee lifted me off my mechanical stallion, I couldn't move a muscle. Even while sitting on the ground, I remained in the shape of a bow legged cowboy after his first riding lesson.

After inspecting the throttle to make sure it wasn't hung open, my dad told me to get back on it and try again. I will never reveal the evil thoughts I had in my mind toward him for telling me to get on that awful contraption again. Needless to say, by sunset that night, we had taken the mini-bike to our local Western Auto and traded it in for two new bicycles, one for my sister and one for myself.

It would be another 3 years before I worked up enough nerve to have another mini-bike.

This man is a genius. When he preaches he really gets red and shakes as he belts it out. Seriously, the guy is one fucker!