California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

Emergency spillway pretty much failed, was eating into the earth dam at a HUGE rate of knots, they had to go balls to the walls on the main spillway which caused massive damage.

Last Edited by Helkuit on 06/06/2023 09:40 PM

That's when the ES was repaired - yes?

At what lake water level does the ES become operational?

Think I got that wrong. The ES is operational at 901 feet - schoon. MS was repaired - duh, title.

And the MS can handle 10x what it has been.

So the concern is the dam or one of the spillways..?

901.25ish...required, not necessarily operational.

nobody trusts the fix to the MS. has yet to b tested at high volumes. the more water being held back, the more pressure on those gopher hole leaks too.

question is how bad will it b this time around? will the dam b breached or just spill over the top? either way the govern will look stupid when it fails. less they can blame it on something else- big EQ, failures up stream, TRUMP, RUSSIA, white males, u name it.

read my byline. are u and CRUNCH over the target? kinda odd the timing of those goons . i didn't scroll back to the fight.

So glad ACs are gone! So much drama and trauma could have been avoided!

They're slowly ramping up the volume of water released down the spillway. 14938 cfs last hour.

The (darkened) camera view does not show the sections that failed last time so it's impossible to see how the water is flowing over the lower portions of the chute.


A good recap of what went wrong in 2017:




Last Edited by High _Strangeness on 06/07/2023 12:39 AM

One concern you may have missed is that when the new billion dollar spillway was run the first time, it was supposed to be for a couple weeks.

It was abruptly shut down soon though.

Marty D'Angelo ( O dam watch group) got inside info that he posted publicly, when MIT hackers got into the DWR website to a private page showing harmonic tremors or frequencies being measured by the new sensors.

I forget the actual numbers and I wouldn't know the physics of it anyway.

It's the kind of thing where frequencies/waves start adding together and shaking a structure. As I recall it was Paveway1V, who said people there at the time who said there was a loud scary noise going on, more than just water flowing.

My personal concern is Dr Robert Bea and the 124 page report on the dam from the Center for Catastrophic Risk Management. Some is now outdated like the old spillway, but some is not. He says the dam could break any time. He was in charge of the investigation into the exploded space shuttle, and the deep water horizon blow out in the gulf. He is top in the country for engineering failures.

I'll try to dig out that report for you tomorrow. The mere fact that they have had years to replace the gates since he wrote it, and haven't started, is all you need to know to be asking God for mercy. The gates are a dangerous mess.

Thanks for the reply.

Seems the MS operators could have tested it with higher volumes earlier this year.
With the volume of snowmelt/run-off yet to process, it sounds like the MS will be seeing higher volumes anyway.

That said, it all seems to hinge on the amount of water yet to reach the lake. In the east they are experiencing 'flash drought' which I believe happened the last two years in CA.
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Under that scenario, snow, ice and water can undergo evapotranspiration - poof gone.

Waiting game!

Good video.

Geologists blew it.

https://imgur.com/EkVxi10

Bump for Crunch and Caps!

I don't follow the numbers from the source. I will though, and share with the thread.

I'd appreciate a link for the numbers as Crunch and CAPS previously provided.

Post a link if you don't wish to provide the numbers to the thread.

Angels to Crunch and his family.

He has been invaluable to keeping folks up to date on this thread. Many others, as well. Thank you for all the info. This has been a staple thread, for me, for many crazy years.

Prayers to all in the dams path.

We can't rule out that Crunch may be planning to bug out or seek higher ground?

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I don't know where he got his numbers, but this may help:

OROVILLE LAKE LEVEL:
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OROVILLE DAM (ORO) WATER LEVELS:
[link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)]

FEATHER RIVER LEVELS:
[link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)]

OUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE:
[link to orovilledamwatchgroup.com]

OROVILLE DAM LIVE CAMERA:
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For Humanitarianlike and anybody else

Here is the 2019 link to the Dr. Bea and Tony Johnson Report. This is IMO the single most important thing you can read about O Dam.

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Skim through anything about the old spillways, that is now outdated, other than to understand the incredible neglect and inept management they received for years.

Look at pages 40 and 41 carefully, and read about the gates. Understand that DWR in the form of Erin Mellon, spokeslady, brushed it all off in public with "the gates are fine".

Also understand that instead of fixing them almost immediately, which was possible to try at the time (not sure about COVID supply chain issues later), they are supposed to be replaced one gate per year starting this year. ( hum, you have to keep the water level below 813 or whatever to even think about replacing them.) This is a good point for anybody who thinks the Agenda 2030 plan to rewild the central valley and bring down the dam is the real plan.

See pages 42 and 42 on leaks in the main dam and the abutments. Allegedly the leaks by the gates have had some grouting. According to Scott Cahill, Dam Remediation expert, the whole mess needs to be grouted like a mouth full of cavities, and all over the rest of the world, this is what you do with leaky dams. But not Oroville.

There is much more.....really, you need to take some time to scroll through this document to understand the criminal, potential murder by drowning, scene that is Oroville Dam.

Geo- thanks so much for the AC ban.

CAPS,get a blue name. If you get caught in an automatic ban just go to the nearest coffee shop or mini mart and you will get in. I used to ride my bike a mile away during La Palma before JD kindly upgraded me and then I finally got a paid membership.

Thanks for the information!

I will upgrade Caps for one month with Karma. It's loaded and ready to go, so let me know right away so he won't get banned.

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This is from CAPS on the EQ thread:

I tried to respond and it disappears.

Thanks.

The video that High_Strangeness posted was very informative. From it you can see that the primary failure was a lack of bedrock under the spillways. The 2017 incident could have been a lot worse and they had no choice but to roll the dice - too much rain.

Secondarily, the MS was shoddy.

It's a bit amazing to see merely veins of bedrock, rather than all bedrock, under the damaged MS in the aftermath. And of course, they saw within a day the lack of bedrock at the ES site when the ES was overrun - adjacent to the MS. When the MS was constructed, they had to have seen the lack of bedrock and they would have had to be selective with anchors to find the veins of bedrock - crazy stuff.

Ancients built EQ proof structures by interlocking rock. Highly advanced techniques. At Giza they actually placed black basalt over the limestone bedrock by shaping both the bedrock and basalt to lock together. Ingenious.

Massive black basalt blocks laid down as pavers for walkways but functionally to secure the plateau from EQ's.

https://imgur.com/6tlrpv3

^ That's how one could create an EQ-resistant and bullet-proof spillway.

The video showed that they could have used 'keyed' joints but didn't.

IMO another 2017 downpouring of rain will happen, just a matter of time. I'd not choose to live anywhere near that dam and reservoir or any other of that size. Too risky these days.

Be safe!

Last Edited by Humanitarianlike on 06/07/2023 12:24 PM

IF ANYONE WITH UH BLUENAME COULD/WOULD POST THIS THREAD OVUH
DERE...DAT WOOOD B NICE. THANK U. THOSE POOR, POOR PEOPLE. SO
SAD... IT READS LIKE THEY LEFT ME BEHIND IN VIETNAM FOR CHRIST
ZAKES. INFORM THEM THAT THEIR WAYWARD SON WILL CARRY ON. CAPS

Thread: THE ' OFFICIAL ' CAPMAN OROVILLE THREAD

Don't know if this is real. Seems like it. I don't speak the language.

Thread: THE ' OFFICIAL ' CAPMAN OROVILLE THREAD (Page 3)

Thanks for sharing this good info. It’s hard to dig thru and find this stuff when you need it. Last night I watched some old you tube videos of Scott Cahill about the dam and Susan Wolding has a couple of new You Tube videos putting up the pertinent info. Can’t seem to find as much as I want to though.

Hope Crunch returns and Capman’s new thread is annoying because the trolls are already on there and wasting time and precious energies on what is a very serious situation.

Not all of us have loved ones in the path of the dam inundation zone, but I do and this is a situation that would have huge effects even globally, especially regarding food and the economy.

Thanks to all of you who have been here since the beginning and are making an effort to share this information.

Noon readings from CDEC (while it's up)...

899.12: outflow 8394, inflow 10680, river release 8002.


They've been fighting a see-saw battle all night for inches - a battle they are destined to lose as they seem reluctant to open the main spillway to more than 15,000 cfs for some unknown but likely nefarious reason.

Last Edited by High _Strangeness on 06/07/2023 03:34 PM

Tag for the links, most of which I've lost over the years.

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