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The Christ Conundrum

 
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The Christ Conundrum
This is a hypothetical scenario, not based on any facts.
I really just want to see what people think, assuming they want to think, would happen if the following events played out.

Again I must remind people this is a hypothetical scenario.

What if the Anti Christ arrives first and realises that they are the AC. Then the Christ arrives and realises they are Christ.

They both realise it doesn't matter what they are, only what people believe. Since a large portion of the religious population would expect the AC first, what if the AC just laughed and walked away.

Where would that leave Christ?
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Ehhh...

We'll figure it out, don't worry.
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I was supposed to be Christ

888 part 2

But I declined

I said: "not this shit again"
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Like they say in Portuguese:

"vocês não vão me pegar pra Cristo"

not this time

not again

I refuse to be a clown like I was 2000 years ago
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This is a hypothetical scenario, not based on any facts.
I really just want to see what people think, assuming they want to think, would happen if the following events played out.

Again I must remind people this is a hypothetical scenario.

What if the Anti Christ arrives first and realises that they are the AC. Then the Christ arrives and realises they are Christ.

They both realise it doesn't matter what they are, only what people believe. Since a large portion of the religious population would expect the AC first, what if the AC just laughed and walked away.

Where would that leave Christ?
 Quoting: Bunji


Corithians 1:13

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
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Is anyone capable of actually thinking about this scenario?
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This is a hypothetical scenario, not based on any facts.
I really just want to see what people think, assuming they want to think, would happen if the following events played out.

Again I must remind people this is a hypothetical scenario.

What if the Anti Christ arrives first and realises that they are the AC. Then the Christ arrives and realises they are Christ.

They both realise it doesn't matter what they are, only what people believe. Since a large portion of the religious population would expect the AC first, what if the AC just laughed and walked away.

Where would that leave Christ?
 Quoting: Bunji


Corithians 1:13

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32410004



Corithians are a bunch of losers

go Palmeiras!

Verdão êôô!!!
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Is anyone capable of actually thinking about this scenario?
 Quoting: Bunji


We are incapable of actually understanding what the point of this exercise is?

You probably have a foregone conclusion you are trying to lure people to? Cut to the chase.
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Not a countdown conundrum then?
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In this scenario there is a large portion of the population so brainwashed they cant think anymore.

The two are also twins, equally matched, equally fair. In fact, the bipolar nature of the planet ultimately determines who is good or bad, not the twins themselves.

Now if the people decided who was who, and one of the twins said, nah I am not going to play that role, the other twin has pretty much no platform to be anything other then the AC or nothing.

Its just a scenario, fictional for some, real for others.

But never the less, what are the implications of a scenario like this?
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Is anyone capable of actually thinking about this scenario?
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We are incapable of actually understanding what the point of this exercise is?

You probably have a foregone conclusion you are trying to lure people to? Cut to the chase.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


Ok, if I can think of this, then its already thought of.
I am seriously seeing if people can think here or just react.

The point, I just explained.
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Is anyone capable of actually thinking about this scenario?
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We are incapable of actually understanding what the point of this exercise is?

You probably have a foregone conclusion you are trying to lure people to? Cut to the chase.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


And its also not a 'we' it appears to be 'you' that doesn't understand the point.

Not trying to be rude here, but you are hiding behind a group mind with this we business.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22954284


Not a countdown conundrum then?
 Quoting: Vala


A Mexican standoff :)
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Is anyone capable of actually thinking about this scenario?
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We are incapable of actually understanding what the point of this exercise is?

You probably have a foregone conclusion you are trying to lure people to? Cut to the chase.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


And its also not a 'we' it appears to be 'you' that doesn't understand the point.

Not trying to be rude here, but you are hiding behind a group mind with this we business.
 Quoting: Bunji


Well, until someone comes along that claims to see the point (none have) I feel comfortable in representing the masses.

Also, you said you made your point...you didn't.

What is the purpose of this scenario?

It's silly, as far as I can tell, but if there's some deeper purpose here go ahead and lay it out.
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It could almost be a movie.

In reality, Jesus' return would not be anything like that, even if he were coming back as a human again, he would be who he is, not an antichrist, regardless of any interpretation of scripture.
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What if Jesus was Iron Man?


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It could almost be a movie.

In reality, Jesus' return would not be anything like that, even if he were coming back as a human again, he would be who he is, not an antichrist, regardless of any interpretation of scripture.
 Quoting: kk 65624553


This is true, and the point I am trying to raise here is how the world could be turned on him just because of the fact, people convince themselves based on what they have been taught. If Jesus came forward before the AC, what would people believe?
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Is anyone capable of actually thinking about this scenario?
 Quoting: Bunji


We are incapable of actually understanding what the point of this exercise is?

You probably have a foregone conclusion you are trying to lure people to? Cut to the chase.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


And its also not a 'we' it appears to be 'you' that doesn't understand the point.

Not trying to be rude here, but you are hiding behind a group mind with this we business.
 Quoting: Bunji


Well, until someone comes along that claims to see the point (none have) I feel comfortable in representing the masses.

Also, you said you made your point...you didn't.

What is the purpose of this scenario?

It's silly, as far as I can tell, but if there's some deeper purpose here go ahead and lay it out.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


Pay attention then. Just because people do not respond, does not mean they do not think about it.

I will get a fair bit of hate/flak just for using key words that trigger emotional responses.
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It could almost be a movie.

In reality, Jesus' return would not be anything like that, even if he were coming back as a human again, he would be who he is, not an antichrist, regardless of any interpretation of scripture.
 Quoting: kk 65624553


This is true, and the point I am trying to raise here is how the world could be turned on him just because of the fact, people convince themselves based on what they have been taught. If Jesus came forward before the AC, what would people believe?
 Quoting: Bunji


Okay, well, we would recognize Jesus anyway by virtue of his actions. Is he appealing to mass ego and playing to our hedonistic weaknesses? Probably not. Antichrist will do that.
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It could almost be a movie.

In reality, Jesus' return would not be anything like that, even if he were coming back as a human again, he would be who he is, not an antichrist, regardless of any interpretation of scripture.
 Quoting: kk 65624553


This is true, and the point I am trying to raise here is how the world could be turned on him just because of the fact, people convince themselves based on what they have been taught. If Jesus came forward before the AC, what would people believe?
 Quoting: Bunji


It's a bit hard for me to get into the mind-set of fundamentalism, but you could be right, that they would believe Jesus was the AC.
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The purpose here ultimately would fall into the conspiracy range.

If people actually do believe there is an elite group trying to control the world, and do believe in this stuff. What do people think they would do to ensure their reality remains, as it always has?
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It could almost be a movie.

In reality, Jesus' return would not be anything like that, even if he were coming back as a human again, he would be who he is, not an antichrist, regardless of any interpretation of scripture.
 Quoting: kk 65624553


This is true, and the point I am trying to raise here is how the world could be turned on him just because of the fact, people convince themselves based on what they have been taught. If Jesus came forward before the AC, what would people believe?
 Quoting: Bunji


Okay, well, we would recognize Jesus anyway by virtue of his actions. Is he appealing to mass ego and playing to our hedonistic weaknesses? Probably not. Antichrist will do that.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


Ok but what if the AC is already aware of this. If there is no AC, why would anyone believe Jesus was Jesus. Lots of people are doing things to benefit the world already. So what would make Jesus, ultimately Jesus in your opinion?
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What if Jesus was Iron Man?

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Well he would be Iron Man, and that would be pretty cool to me lol
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It could almost be a movie.

In reality, Jesus' return would not be anything like that, even if he were coming back as a human again, he would be who he is, not an antichrist, regardless of any interpretation of scripture.
 Quoting: kk 65624553


This is true, and the point I am trying to raise here is how the world could be turned on him just because of the fact, people convince themselves based on what they have been taught. If Jesus came forward before the AC, what would people believe?
 Quoting: Bunji


Okay, well, we would recognize Jesus anyway by virtue of his actions. Is he appealing to mass ego and playing to our hedonistic weaknesses? Probably not. Antichrist will do that.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


Ok but what if the AC is already aware of this. If there is no AC, why would anyone believe Jesus was Jesus. Lots of people are doing things to benefit the world already. So what would make Jesus, ultimately Jesus in your opinion?
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Well, there would be the transformative properties of his resurrected, immortal body. Also the accompanying clouds of heaven and host of angels etc.

I'd argue that anyone is doing much of anything to benefit the world...TPTB ultimately do not allow that.
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This is true, and the point I am trying to raise here is how the world could be turned on him just because of the fact, people convince themselves based on what they have been taught. If Jesus came forward before the AC, what would people believe?
 Quoting: Bunji


Okay, well, we would recognize Jesus anyway by virtue of his actions. Is he appealing to mass ego and playing to our hedonistic weaknesses? Probably not. Antichrist will do that.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


Ok but what if the AC is already aware of this. If there is no AC, why would anyone believe Jesus was Jesus. Lots of people are doing things to benefit the world already. So what would make Jesus, ultimately Jesus in your opinion?
 Quoting: Bunji


Well, there would be the transformative properties of his resurrected, immortal body. Also the accompanying clouds of heaven and host of angels etc.

I'd argue that anyone is doing much of anything to benefit the world...TPTB ultimately do not allow that.
 Quoting: Rat_In_A_Cage


So then this begs the question, why would anyone be fooled by the AC?
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Actually the AC died on the cross for our sins.
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Actually the AC died on the cross for our sins.
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If you say so. I would think it is a fruitless effort given the worlds condition right now.
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So then this begs the question, why would anyone be fooled by the AC?
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Fake miracles, appealing to the ego (don't underestimate the power of the Ego to justify just about anything to anyone at any time,) appearing to solve world problems...

The antichrist is logical, practical...right place/right time.

Jesus isn't interested in saving this system, or putting a Band-Aid on things.

Antichrist says "We can fix this"
Christ says "Let it burn"

So to speak.

It is not intuitive to most that the savior would prefer to let it collapse and burn. It seems cold-hearted and merciless, but Christ and those in him know a deeper spiritual truth about the nature of material life in this age. It's going to be okay.

Most Christians do not even understand this, they are ripe to be deceived in this manner.
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This is a hypothetical scenario, not based on any facts.
I really just want to see what people think, assuming they want to think, would happen if the following events played out.

Again I must remind people this is a hypothetical scenario.

What if the Anti Christ arrives first and realises that they are the AC. Then the Christ arrives and realises they are Christ.

They both realise it doesn't matter what they are, only what people believe. Since a large portion of the religious population would expect the AC first, what if the AC just laughed and walked away.

Where would that leave Christ?
 Quoting: Bunji



I hardly see any intelligent questions on GLP, this is one of them.


The scripture has what I call modifiers of prophecy.

Everything is labels. Generic frames where the people that will fulfill the prophecies may or may not fit.


Christ and Antichrist are modal labels, like Satan or God.

They dont refer to specific beings, but are titles.
Whomsoever saves or do the work of a savior becomes the christ.
Whomsoever opposes a christ is the antichrist.
whomsoever is worshipped is a god
whomsoever opposes a god is an adversary/satan.

You hardly have any objective elements to hold on to. Like traits, genres, behaviours, laws, teachings, commandments, acts, etc. Everything has to be analysed like if it was Math. Or else its just religion, due to the skepticism. But since it is religion, then I guess people always have the right to not believe.





Person A, is becoming AntiChrist, see that he is moving to a precipice. Jumps from the car moving. Saves himself from the consequences written on the book for the character acting as antichrist.

This possibility is allowed and presented on the end of Revelation.

Antichrist role becomes open. Someone else comes.

Of course there are lures to step into the position. Like being subject to sins and subjecting others to sin.

There are many antichrists.

Antichrist is seen as the bad guy.


Even the way of interpreting the role is totally modal.

Because the acts of the antichrist are not described in an objectively and undeniably negative way towards all groups of people. It might be negative towards the elite only, or Jesus, or Jesus Christ, or the very elect, or the people of one religion or another and so on.


When the person who is traditionally linked to the antichrist is described, there are ways to interpret its actions as positive, or silly, or neutral or even comedic.

The language used on the Bible is highly simbolic, parabolic, metaphorical, alegorical...

Some only interpret a character such as the antichrist as someone who is likened to Adolf Hitler.

But such is not absolute truth.

Antichrist could be any person opposing the christ, or the two witnesses.



Imagine you have 3 people, if two get together, they become the two witnesses, the third who is annoyed or jealous of them could become the antichrist. At some point, one of the two witnesses might become false or stop witnessing, and the person who was to be the antichrist might become a witness instead. And the person who was a former witness, could then position itself and ending up being the antichrist after all.


You have to look for the minimum objective denominator, the core, the bone structure of what each label indicating a subject, each verb indicating an action, each circunstance, each relationship between characters and so on.

Its all about points of view being different.


Satan can be against Satan.
Wich could just be a description of a husband and a wife dwelling together.

Iran calls Israel - Satan
Israel calls Iran - Satan


They could be just Judah and Israel, two brothers. All is allegory.
Issac and Ishmael.


Does this answer your question properly?
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Is anyone capable of actually thinking about this scenario?
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Ive spend many hours going mentally through these imaginary scenarios.

Ive seen some as Antichrist before and Ive been seen as Anti-crust myself.





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