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how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?

 
s. d. butler
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how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
The black book of communism is an attempt to get an accurate number for the deaths directly caused by various communist regimes.



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Why isn't the Black Book of Communism on the curriculum of every school in Europe? Because it isn't exhaustive enough? Because its authors lack credibility? Because there is still more to be understood and researched on the matter?

At more than 850 pages of carefully sifted evidence by a group of top-level scholars from a variety of countries and disciplines, the Black Book is as solid a piece of scholarship as any other you'll find being taught in our schools.

Is it definitive? How could it be? Communist regimes went to great lengths to conceal their crimes, and one of the most oppressive of all, North Korea, still exists to this day. What the book does is use the best available evidence to give a sense of the scale of what we are dealing with.

In introducing the Black Book, lead author Stephane Courtois, Director of Research at the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS) in Paris, offers the following rough breakdown of the numbers of people that communism killed:

USSR -- 20 million

China -- 65 million

Vietnam -- 1 million

North Korea -- 2 million

Cambodia -- 2 million

Eastern Europe -- 1 million

Latin America -- 150,000

Africa -- 1.7 million

Afghanistan -- 1.5 million

Communist movements, parties not in power -- 10,000

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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
Conmunism is responsible for more deaths than any other ideogy on earth. It has also made more poverty and misery when, ironically, it is supposed to be helping the poor.

It is a sick mental disease and should be treated as such.

Fuck communism.
Fuck liberalism.
Fuck leftism.
Fuck "diversity".
Fuck "political correctness."

Ten thousand years to His Imperial Majesty!
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
bump

There are more. What about the Ukraine? Or the crap in Africa?
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
A bit to early for this type of question dont you think. Obamy isnt done yet.
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
100 million in the last 100 years

in fact, in 50 years 59 years ago

no one kills like leftist marxist socialist communists.
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
Conmunism is responsible for more deaths than any other ideogy on earth. It has also made more poverty and misery when, ironically, it is supposed to be helping the poor.

It is a sick mental disease and should be treated as such.

Fuck communism.
Fuck liberalism.
Fuck leftism.
Fuck "diversity".
Fuck "political correctness."

Ten thousand years to His Imperial Majesty!
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
I have heard over 100 million combined. I wonder how many have died at the hands of radical muslims.

Sins are the sickness of the heart. Only sick hearts want to harm people, kill people who think differently, starve people. In Africa today our fellow brethren are being slaughtered by governments wanting them off the lands so oil can be pumped. A 2 litter pop bottle is a value shoe for some... days in the heat,traveling at night no water no food for days on end..Sick hearts sick minds.. Who are these people who enjoy such pain and suffering put upon others?

Obama said to his circle around him, he was getting good at killing people.. meaning his ordering drone kills. NO one has asked just how many innocent victims as this fool killed???? One little girl with her dad went to the US embassy in Pakistan asking why her Grandmother and several family members were killed by Obamas drone she <grandma> had not done anything to Obama. HEART less .. but don't think for one minute Obama hasn't got that mean nasty dark side .. just look around at what he has caused to date.
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Coming to America soon... history will repeat itself.

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bump

There are more. What about the Ukraine? Or the crap in Africa?
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No mention of Cuba and Nicaragua either. Che Guevara, the mass murderer that people like to deify murdered thousands after Castro took over.
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Coming to America soon... history will repeat itself.

The Soviet Story


Prepare NOW

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thanks a/c for this video.
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
I have heard over 100 million combined. I wonder how many have died at the hands of radical muslims.

Sins are the sickness of the heart. Only sick hearts want to harm people, kill people who think differently, starve people. In Africa today our fellow brethren are being slaughtered by governments wanting them off the lands so oil can be pumped. A 2 litter pop bottle is a value shoe for some... days in the heat,traveling at night no water no food for days on end..Sick hearts sick minds.. Who are these people who enjoy such pain and suffering put upon others?

Obama said to his circle around him, he was getting good at killing people.. meaning his ordering drone kills. NO one has asked just how many innocent victims as this fool killed???? One little girl with her dad went to the US embassy in Pakistan asking why her Grandmother and several family members were killed by Obamas drone she <grandma> had not done anything to Obama. HEART less .. but don't think for one minute Obama hasn't got that mean nasty dark side .. just look around at what he has caused to date.
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Around 800 children and other innocent people have been killed by drones. I think that was the figure compiled just for Pakistan and maybe Yemen.
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Coming to America soon... history will repeat itself.

The Soviet Story


Prepare NOW

[link to www.kingmannafta.com]
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thanks a/c for this video.
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you are welcome. hf
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
Communism doesn't kill people, people do. The 'ism' just gives them a good excuse.
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
100 million in the last 100 years

in fact, in 50 years 59 years ago

no one kills like leftist marxist socialist communists.
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Exactly why the current administration should be feared.
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It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours.
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
"how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?"

As many as religion?
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
Conmunism is responsible for more deaths than any other ideogy on earth. It has also made more poverty and misery when, ironically, it is supposed to be helping the poor.

It is a sick mental disease and should be treated as such.

Fuck communism.
Fuck liberalism.
Fuck leftism.
Fuck "diversity".
Fuck "political correctness."

Ten thousand years to His Imperial Majesty!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49409377




Communism sucks, but you need to learn your history.

The ideology called christianity killed many more people than communism.

Most of South America, millions in Europe during the Inquisition, and the Crusades.
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
The PRC admits that Mao Tse Tung killed/caused over 85 million deaths of Chinese citizens in his reign of terror.

20 million more than the West admits...

Russian communists killed closer to 45 million.



Then there are the "agrarian reformers" like Pol Pot....


Over 200 million citizens killed since 1890 by their own governments....


Doctor mistakes and malfeasance kills 200,000 in America each year.


Nobody gives a shit about you, if you don't...
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
The PRC admits that Mao Tse Tung killed/caused over 85 million deaths of Chinese citizens in his reign of terror.

20 million more than the West admits...

Russian communists killed closer to 45 million.



Then there are the "agrarian reformers" like Pol Pot....


Over 200 million citizens killed since 1890 by their own governments....


Doctor mistakes and malfeasance kills 200,000 in America each year.


Nobody gives a shit about you, if you don't...
 Quoting: Lester 1351007


was just gonna post this

especially re: the USSR; the correct estimates are closed to 50-60 million,

there are many valuable recent books on the subject, too bad not too many have been translated into english,
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
"how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?"

As many as religion?
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And so you think this justifies the religion/ideology of communism?

Maybe you could point to mass murder of innocents done by Christianity on the scale of mao, stalin, hitler, pol pot, lenin, et al?

And is continuing now in North Korea and no doubt other places.

I don't think the inquisition, crusades, etc are even in the same league.

None of that happened in the 20th century either, did it?

There is a word/concept for what you have tried to do in your post. A logical fallacy. Redirection, obfuscation, false comparison? I'm not sure but I know what you are trying to do is wrong.

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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
Fact

During period of communist regime 1916-1990 years, population of Russia increased from 84 millions to 148 millions.
During the absence of the "communist regime" 1990-2012 population of Russia decreased from 148 millions to 143 millions.
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
the Gulag (supermax prisons) held political prisoners, a group including not only real opponents of the Soviet (Obama) regime but also many innocents caught up in the paranoid clutches of the Soviet secret police (CIA/DHS). Most prisoners were the victims of arbitrary and severe legal campaigns under which petty theft, lateness, or unexcused absences from work were punished by many years in these concentration camps (supermax prisons).
Have you ever been late to work?

In the Stalin (Obama) era, a person who arrived late to work three times could be sent to the Gulag (supermax prison) for three years.
Have you ever told a joke about a government official?

In the Stalin (Obama) era, many were sent to the Gulag (supermax prison) for up to 25 years for telling an innocent joke about a Communist Party official (an Obama crony like Valerie Jarrett).
If your family was starving, would you take a few potatoes left in a field after harvest?

In the Stalin (Obama) era, a person could be sent to the Gulag (supermax prison) for up to ten years for such petty theft.
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Fact

During period of communist regime 1916-1990 years, population of Russia increased from 84 millions to 148 millions.
During the absence of the "communist regime" 1990-2012 population of Russia decreased from 148 millions to 143 millions.
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that's all good and dandy for mother russia
what about their colonies??
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Fact

During period of communist regime 1916-1990 years, population of Russia increased from 84 millions to 148 millions.
During the absence of the "communist regime" 1990-2012 population of Russia decreased from 148 millions to 143 millions.
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that's all good and dandy for mother russia
what about their colonies??
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what about their colonies? concretely?
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
The PRC admits that Mao Tse Tung killed/caused over 85 million deaths of Chinese citizens in his reign of terror.

20 million more than the West admits...

Russian communists killed closer to 45 million.



Then there are the "agrarian reformers" like Pol Pot....


Over 200 million citizens killed since 1890 by their own governments....


Doctor mistakes and malfeasance kills 200,000 in America each year.


Nobody gives a shit about you, if you don't...
 Quoting: Lester 1351007


was just gonna post this

especially re: the USSR; the correct estimates are closed to 50-60 million,

there are many valuable recent books on the subject, too bad not too many have been translated into english,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48919705


Western propaganda has always been famous for the ability to manipulate the numbers. 20 million, 45, 50-60, who are more?cruise
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propoganda
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Dick Cheney the Anti Christ has killed millions via his policies (wars)
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
All that means: the population of Russia grew from 84 million to 148 million instead of growing from 84 million to 200 million. It doesn't negate the fact that tens of millions of Russian Christians were murdered.

The only thing worse than a Communist, is an Afrocentric Communist.
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Fact

During period of communist regime 1916-1990 years, population of Russia increased from 84 millions to 148 millions.
During the absence of the "communist regime" 1990-2012 population of Russia decreased from 148 millions to 143 millions.
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All that means: the population of Russia grew from 84 million to 148 million instead of growing from 84 million to 200 million. It doesn't negate the fact that tens of millions of Russian Christians were murdered.

The only thing worse than a Communist, is an Afrocentric Communist.

Fixed
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
Conmunism is responsible for more deaths than any other ideogy on earth. It has also made more poverty and misery when, ironically, it is supposed to be helping the poor.

It is a sick mental disease and should be treated as such.

Fuck communism.
Fuck liberalism.
Fuck leftism.
Fuck "diversity".
Fuck "political correctness."

Ten thousand years to His Imperial Majesty!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49409377




Communism sucks, but you need to learn your history.

The ideology called christianity killed many more people than communism.

Most of South America, millions in Europe during the Inquisition, and the Crusades.
 Quoting: Mograth22


scratching
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Re: how many people has communism killed, murdered, tortured and starved to death?
Democracy of the American brand killed 30 million in the same period. That's less but still shocking.





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