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mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 02/10/2009 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 02/10/2009 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? What you mean you don't want the people who run the post office and amtrack to run your health care? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 113872Exactly! For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 02/10/2009 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? One more bump to see if anyone is paying attention Quoting: Anonymous Coward 113872Thank you..this affects everyone! For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 574463 United States 02/10/2009 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? good catch the words in bold are already in use by federal systems and have been since 2001 The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 113872 United States 02/10/2009 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? good catch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 574463the words in bold are already in use by federal systems and have been since 2001 The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors. And it will let everyone in the gov. know everything about you. |
mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 02/10/2009 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? good catch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 574463the words in bold are already in use by federal systems and have been since 2001 The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors. Very true but this is absurd and dangerous For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 600040 United States 02/10/2009 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? TRANSLATED: Once you're of a certain age please feel free to just die. (Logan's Run here we come) |
mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 02/10/2009 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 600040TRANSLATED: Once you're of a certain age please feel free to just die. (Logan's Run here we come) Of course this WON'T apply to Congress For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
JohnnyCarcinogen
User ID: 541702 United States 02/10/2009 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. Quoting: mathetesSeriously? None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. |
mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 02/10/2009 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. Quoting: JohnnyCarcinogenSeriously? The bill is over 600 pages and no one has read all of it,makes you wonder what else lurks beneath For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 176812 United States 02/10/2009 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Health care does need some revision. I was in the hospital 3 weeks ago. The patient next to me was a 93 year old dementia patient. She was brought in with no clothes from a nursing home. She did not keep her hospital gown on for long. She screamed, sang, talked to people, real conversations, in random order 24 hours a day. She wore diapers. She didn't know where she was. Even though I felt sorry for her, I was in for a serious condition and was not able to get any kind of rest. She had received a left hip replacement. Complete with physical therapy, walker crutches and various devices and services. She had no idea what was going on. What the hell does someone in that kind of shape getting a hip replacement? Medicare pays for it... even though it was morally and ethically wrong. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 176812 United States 02/10/2009 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? I was in the hospital 3 weeks ago. The patient next to me was a 93 year old dementia patient. She was brought in with no clothes from a nursing home. She did not keep her hospital gown on for long. She screamed, sang, talked to people, real conversations, in random order 24 hours a day. She wore diapers. She didn't know where she was. Even though I felt sorry for her, I was in for a serious condition and was not able to get any kind of rest. She had received a left hip replacement. Complete with physical therapy, walker crutches and various devices and services. She had no idea what was going on. What the hell does someone in that kind of shape getting a hip replacement? Medicare pays for it... even though it was morally and ethically wrong. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 176812 United States 02/10/2009 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Health care does need some revision. I was in the hospital 3 weeks ago. The patient next to me was a 93 year old dementia patient. She was brought in with no clothes from a nursing home. She did not keep her hospital gown on for long. She screamed, sang, talked to people, real conversations, in random order 24 hours a day. She wore diapers. She didn't know where she was. Even though I felt sorry for her, I was in for a serious condition and was not able to get any kind of rest. She had received a left hip replacement. Complete with physical therapy, walker crutches and various devices and services. She had no idea what was going on. What the hell does someone in that kind of shape getting a hip replacement? Medicare pays for it... even though it was morally and ethically wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 478606 United States 02/10/2009 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? I don't like Dasch anyway -- in bed with the insurance companies, imho. I understand the electronic data for ease and cost-cutting, but it's also dangerous -- as a provider (mental health), the managed care insurance companies already tell me what I can/cannot do and have way too much private info, anyway -- or what they will/will not pay for (ok. I can understand that to some degree.); now the gov will be doing that and imposing penalties ?! Case in point-- had a lady, anxiety disorder. Wanted to come off her meds and deal with her anxiety without meds. The insurance co. gave a lot of crap -- why doesn't she want to, it's most effective, we're not paying, etc etc. etc. She has been off all meds for over 6mths -- has some anxiety -- and is managing quite well despite increased stressors in her life. This is the kind of crap I am scared of --- forcing people on meds, offing the "old folks" and costly inform, the system telling people what they can/cannot do, etc. Takes away individual choice, privacy, etc. Magic 8-ball : "Outlook not so good"... |
Chiox User ID: 569086 United States 02/10/2009 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 600040TRANSLATED: Once you're of a certain age please feel free to just die. (Logan's Run here we come) THE ORIGINAL "LOGAN'S RUN" SHOULD BE SHOWN AT THE MOVIE THEATERS AGAIN. IT'S COMING TRUE! So does this mean I should drop my insurance since they won't be treating me in the future? |
Evil Twin
02/10/2009 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. Quoting: mathetesMedicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464). Look like no more treatment for the elderly. Once you reach a certain age, the gubmint deems your pain too costly to treat. Fat people are next. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 557177 United Arab Emirates 02/10/2009 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. Quoting: Chiox 569086TRANSLATED: Once you're of a certain age please feel free to just die. (Logan's Run here we come) THE ORIGINAL "LOGAN'S RUN" SHOULD BE SHOWN AT THE MOVIE THEATERS AGAIN. IT'S COMING TRUE! So does this mean I should drop my insurance since they won't be treating me in the future? Look at the money they will save by killing off everyone when they reach 60 years old..... or younger......When they see how much they will save with 60 year olds.... then they may drop it down to 50 or 40 just to save more money... . |
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Sinanju User ID: 609719 United States 02/10/2009 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. Quoting: Evil TwinMedicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464). Look like no more treatment for the elderly. Once you reach a certain age, the gubmint deems your pain too costly to treat. Fat people are next. >>Don't forget the smokers! |
anonanon
User ID: 254206 United States 02/10/2009 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? One need only look at the Veterans Hospitals and medical systems to see what this will all look like by the time they finish with it. Veterans can be on waiting lists for appointments for months and months. Treatments are denied or minimal. Also look at the HMO practices which routinely deny and deny care and treatments hoping the patient will die while waiting. I seem to recall there was a time when dialysis was denied to anyone over 65 in England with talk of it happening here as well. We could get to the point where transplants, pacemakers, hip and knee replacements, even false teeth are denied over a certain age if someone in the federal government gets to decide what is or is not medically appropriate and necessary. Wonder if Daschle denies himself any medical care or anyone in his family? Should be interesting to see what he does when he has to live with a painful or debilitating condition or disease. |
alexviapissed User ID: 611900 United States 02/10/2009 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:HEALTH CARE SCARE: WHAT'S BURIED DEEP IN THE BILL? senior citizens of all people are more deserving of recieving health care, they've been around longer than we have. just because they are old doesn't mean that it's a waste to treat them. whichever anonymous coward said that one get back to all of us when you're in your 60's, we'll see how you feel then cause nothing is enjoyable anymore cause of the unbearable pain that comes with years of working your bones. |