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Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare

 
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If you are elderly, they want you to die off. It is plain to see - never mind the fact that you worked your entire life to support your family, the gov't, etc. and you get screwed.

The stimulus package will not only ration healthcare, it will act as an HMO stating what treatment can and can't be covered!!!

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey
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Commentary by Betsy McCaughey

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Hidden Provisions

If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”


More Scrutiny Needed

On Friday, President Obama called it “inexcusable and irresponsible” for senators to delay passing the stimulus bill. In truth, this bill needs more scrutiny.

The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy.

(Betsy McCaughey is former lieutenant governor of New York and is an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. The opinions expressed are her own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Betsy McCaughey at [email protected]

[link to www.bloomberg.com]
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This is bad folks, really bad. They want to control the population. Eugenics for the masses.
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Until Codex Almentarius goes into place in Dec 2009, then good luck finding what you need for alternative medicine. Vitamin C over a certain does will be illegal and you will need a Dr. prescription. Getting the picture now.....
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Yes, they have squandered our social security buying themselves votes and so now must kill off the elderly so as to cover their tracks.

The elderly are being told to shut up and die quietly without the comfort of any treatment at all.

But it IS change, right?
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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That, and as I stated in my thread, could it be a means to implement the mark of the beast? The paperless healthcare initiative could be a precursor for the chip implant?
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That, and as I stated in my thread, could it be a means to implement the mark of the beast? The paperless healthcare initiative could be a precursor for the chip implant?
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No doubt, they already RDID chip the handband of people in some hospitals - yet they still making mistakes all the time.
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I think it is ironic that Arlen Specter (R) (born February 12, 1930) voted for this stimulus yet he has been battling cancer since 2005. At 77, he should have ofted himself or let nature takes its course -- since he supports this bill. He should be an example of what he votes for. Why spend money himself - according to the bill, he shouldn't be treated, only young people should. What a fricken hypocrite!
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Until Codex Almentarius goes into place in Dec 2009, then good luck finding what you need for alternative medicine. Vitamin C over a certain does will be illegal and you will need a Dr. prescription. Getting the picture now.....
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My dad was bragging about Germany's policy where you could get a lethal dose of a drug to commit suicide prescribed, totally legal, saying what a great policy that was. I said, yeah dad, you can get a lethal dose, but you can't get Vitamin C there, what kind of message are they sending? I mean what is the big picture here? He got kind of quiet . .
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Well this pretty much goes lock in step with his whole campaign - which was not about the elderly, not about the middle-aged and not even about the young adults. It is all about the then generation that in now in grade school & high school. It's all about sacrificing for the next generation - never mind that the tail end of the baby-boomers (which Obama is one) have paid into the system all of their lives and that that money was used to take care of the generation that aged before them, they are now supposed to "stop being so selfish and think of the children." When I saw him in Indiana yesterday (a state whose unemployment numbers far exceed the rest of the country) and he was asked about what the stimulus plan was going to do to help them he chose to talk about the provisions for college educations and how it would be easier for their kids to go to college cause their would be tax breaks for the parents (WTF??? These guys have massive unemployment - I doubt a tax cut for their kids college is at the forefront of their "wish List"). Today in Florida he did something similar, talking about upgrading "select" inner city schools so that future generations would be more employable and went on to talk about re-education of older workers so they could upgrade their skill sets. Upgrade? What? I guess he hasn't noticed that those jobs are few and far between, many are filled by HB-Visa Workers at incredible savings to the corporations, and that many unemployed workers can't find jobs now because they are seen as "over qualified." They "retrained" a manufacturing base into an IT computer base years ago, saying the people needed to retrain themselves so they could do the American jobs of the future....then those jobs were off shored, then they told you to learn computer repair instead - to they could do the American jobs of the future....then those jobs were off shored, then they said we needed more scientists for the American future...now we have PHD graduates making only $35,000 and many unable to find work at all (again because of the HB-Visas). The last list of "good job prospects" released was mainly low education, low pay jobs (many in government). Nursing Aides, child care, medical records clerks. Nothing challenging, nothing too rewarding (nursing would be, but a nurse's aid is not, believe me). And even though he talks about America having the chance to lead the world in alternative energy, he fails to mention that a good number of the government sanctioned projects involve "foreign based companies" (though many are owned by American citizen's) that will retain any and all Intellectual Property Rights to the alternatives they develop. Meaning the foreign company will retain all legal rights and the US will have to pay to use the new technologies created. (It's all lock step with the UN Development Goals - and it all sucks big time for the average American citizen, and the development status of the US in general).
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Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Also, it might give all of us the motivation to get resourceful and learn to cure our own ills as our forefathers did. Fortunately for them, they didn't have big pharma and the new medicine men to contend with.

Example:

From a booklet I just received written by William Campbell Douglas II, M.D. ---

A few years ago, the medical big shots declared that any blood pressure reading over 115/75 means that you are at high risk of heart disease.

The day before they came down from Mt. Sinai with the commandment, the same "experts" were saying the danger level was 140/90. So millions of people who went to bed healthy got up the next morning and found themselves "sick" and in need of prescription medications.

Total nonsense! What if you found out that your blood pressure is really healthier at 195/90 than at 160/90? Or in fact that no level can predict your risk for heart disease anyway? Well, get ready to be shocked--... high blood presure doesn't cause heart disease. It's just a symptom, and reducing it may do little or nothing for the real problem.

I wouldn't give the major blood pressure drugs to my dog, or any other living creature that I love. They're all bad news--the beta blockers, the ACE inhibitors, the calcium channel blockers, the whole rotten bunch.

Statin drugs are a threat to your life.

Dr. Duane Graveline is a NASA astronaut and a medical doctor. He lost his memory after six weeks on Lipitor. He got mad enough about it and wrote a book, "Lipitor: Thief of memory."

An assistant professor at the University of California says, "We have lost people who have lost thinking ability so fast that within the course of a couple of months they went from being heads of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company.
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Until Codex Almentarius goes into place in Dec 2009, then good luck finding what you need for alternative medicine. Vitamin C over a certain does will be illegal and you will need a Dr. prescription. Getting the picture now.....

My dad was bragging about Germany's policy where you could get a lethal dose of a drug to commit suicide prescribed, totally legal, saying what a great policy that was. I said, yeah dad, you can get a lethal dose, but you can't get Vitamin C there, what kind of message are they sending? I mean what is the big picture here? He got kind of quiet . .
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Been able to do that in Oregan for awhile now.

They had what they said was a "computer error" over the summer that generated a few letters that were sent out to elderly patients who had been diagnosed with cancer and/or other fatal diseases. The letter told them that they could receive morphine to make them feel better or they could have a lethal dose shipped to their home instead but "due to their particular situation" that they would not pay for any treatment. It's calculated the same way - if the odds of your survival for 5 years or more are less than a certain percentage they don't considered it cost effective (now perhaps you understand why even though everything cost more today than it did five years ago the estimated government value placed on a person's life DECREASED by a million dollars last year). When you add the different proposed "Duty to Die" Legislation's across the states it paints a bleak picture.

Obama openly supported the UN Development Goals as a Senator - and all that it entails (including Codex A), but for some reason none of his supporters actually seemed to believe he meant it.
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Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Also, it might give all of us the motivation to get resourceful and learn to cure our own ills as our forefathers did. Fortunately for them, they didn't have big pharma and the new medicine men to contend with.

Example:

From a booklet I just received written by William Campbell Douglas II, M.D. ---

A few years ago, the medical big shots declared that any blood pressure reading over 115/75 means that you are at high risk of heart disease.

The day before they came down from Mt. Sinai with the commandment, the same "experts" were saying the danger level was 140/90. So millions of people who went to bed healthy got up the next morning and found themselves "sick" and in need of prescription medications.

Total nonsense! What if you found out that your blood pressure is really healthier at 195/90 than at 160/90? Or in fact that no level can predict your risk for heart disease anyway? Well, get ready to be shocked--... high blood presure doesn't cause heart disease. It's just a symptom, and reducing it may do little or nothing for the real problem.

I wouldn't give the major blood pressure drugs to my dog, or any other living creature that I love. They're all bad news--the beta blockers, the ACE inhibitors, the calcium channel blockers, the whole rotten bunch.

Statin drugs are a threat to your life.

Dr. Duane Graveline is a NASA astronaut and a medical doctor. He lost his memory after six weeks on Lipitor. He got mad enough about it and wrote a book, "Lipitor: Thief of memory."

An assistant professor at the University of California says, "We have lost people who have lost thinking ability so fast that within the course of a couple of months they went from being heads of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company.
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Yes, doctors are dangerous but do you want an even smaller group of individuals heading up what is and is not valid treatment.

I agree that people need to be more conscious about health and that your examples of BP & Statins is on target -- but the bill has nothing to do with improving healthcare, I think it is more of a eugenics thing - honestly.
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grow roses for rose hip tea lots of vitamin c
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an HMO killed my grandfather.
May his soul rest in peace.

HMOs will kill you.
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Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Also, it might give all of us the motivation to get resourceful and learn to cure our own ills as our forefathers did. Fortunately for them, they didn't have big pharma and the new medicine men to contend with.

Example:

From a booklet I just received written by William Campbell Douglas II, M.D. ---

A few years ago, the medical big shots declared that any blood pressure reading over 115/75 means that you are at high risk of heart disease.

The day before they came down from Mt. Sinai with the commandment, the same "experts" were saying the danger level was 140/90. So millions of people who went to bed healthy got up the next morning and found themselves "sick" and in need of prescription medications.

Total nonsense! What if you found out that your blood pressure is really healthier at 195/90 than at 160/90? Or in fact that no level can predict your risk for heart disease anyway? Well, get ready to be shocked--... high blood presure doesn't cause heart disease. It's just a symptom, and reducing it may do little or nothing for the real problem.

I wouldn't give the major blood pressure drugs to my dog, or any other living creature that I love. They're all bad news--the beta blockers, the ACE inhibitors, the calcium channel blockers, the whole rotten bunch.

Statin drugs are a threat to your life.

Dr. Duane Graveline is a NASA astronaut and a medical doctor. He lost his memory after six weeks on Lipitor. He got mad enough about it and wrote a book, "Lipitor: Thief of memory."

An assistant professor at the University of California says, "We have lost people who have lost thinking ability so fast that within the course of a couple of months they went from being heads of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611928

Not sure how old you are, but Doctors were much better, much more efficient, and much more cost effective BEFORE Government started intervening through programs like Medicaid & Medicare which have a fraud rate of over 30% and costs EVERYONE billions each years. More government intervention is not the answer.

And although it may be a good thing (on some levels) to computerize the medical records, it is in no way a Stimulus and shouldn't be in the package at all cause it will result in the loss of jobs over time (so scratch medical records clerk off the list of "recession proof" jobs of the future that the government published) and once funded we never seem to stop paying - so it will in no way be temporary (The "Temporary" Tax Funding for the Spanish-American War didn't end until 2006!).
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Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Also, it might give all of us the motivation to get resourceful and learn to cure our own ills as our forefathers did. Fortunately for them, they didn't have big pharma and the new medicine men to contend with.

Example:

From a booklet I just received written by William Campbell Douglas II, M.D. ---

A few years ago, the medical big shots declared that any blood pressure reading over 115/75 means that you are at high risk of heart disease.

The day before they came down from Mt. Sinai with the commandment, the same "experts" were saying the danger level was 140/90. So millions of people who went to bed healthy got up the next morning and found themselves "sick" and in need of prescription medications.

Total nonsense! What if you found out that your blood pressure is really healthier at 195/90 than at 160/90? Or in fact that no level can predict your risk for heart disease anyway? Well, get ready to be shocked--... high blood presure doesn't cause heart disease. It's just a symptom, and reducing it may do little or nothing for the real problem.

I wouldn't give the major blood pressure drugs to my dog, or any other living creature that I love. They're all bad news--the beta blockers, the ACE inhibitors, the calcium channel blockers, the whole rotten bunch.

Statin drugs are a threat to your life.

Dr. Duane Graveline is a NASA astronaut and a medical doctor. He lost his memory after six weeks on Lipitor. He got mad enough about it and wrote a book, "Lipitor: Thief of memory."

An assistant professor at the University of California says, "We have lost people who have lost thinking ability so fast that within the course of a couple of months they went from being heads of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company.
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Finally!I found the blood pressure conspiracy!I am a lean ie no body fat,endurance athlete.I had some minor surgery.the entire stay at the hospitol,My BP was very low and I was told i was a classic white coat syndrome case.I aint taking that shit lol.My nuero gave me until march 4th and he thinks I am going to listen to his BS.Nope.I took my BP yesterday and was normal.I listen to no DR.I do like the surgeons.Outside of them,is a bunch of retards.All of whom need to be put on stains and bp meds lol
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Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it.
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I agree that people need to be more conscious about health and that your examples of BP & Statins is on target -- but the bill has nothing to do with improving healthcare, I think it is more of a eugenics thing - honestly.
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I agree with you that this is more of a eugenics thing. There is much to point to this even before guidelines were introduced into the stimulus package. The elderly are to be eliminated by means of lack of any meaningful medical attention. It will become more and more evident in nursing homes and hospitals first. Only the rich will survive the holocaust of the loss of life as they age.
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