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Anonymous Coward User ID: 611857 United States 02/10/2009 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare Until Codex Almentarius goes into place in Dec 2009, then good luck finding what you need for alternative medicine. Vitamin C over a certain does will be illegal and you will need a Dr. prescription. Getting the picture now..... |
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User ID: 270054 United States 02/10/2009 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare The elderly are being told to shut up and die quietly without the comfort of any treatment at all. But it IS change, right? One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 576938 United States 02/10/2009 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare That, and as I stated in my thread, could it be a means to implement the mark of the beast? The paperless healthcare initiative could be a precursor for the chip implant? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554503No doubt, they already RDID chip the handband of people in some hospitals - yet they still making mistakes all the time. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 576938 United States 02/10/2009 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare I think it is ironic that Arlen Specter (R) (born February 12, 1930) voted for this stimulus yet he has been battling cancer since 2005. At 77, he should have ofted himself or let nature takes its course -- since he supports this bill. He should be an example of what he votes for. Why spend money himself - according to the bill, he shouldn't be treated, only young people should. What a fricken hypocrite! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 610841 Canada 02/10/2009 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare Until Codex Almentarius goes into place in Dec 2009, then good luck finding what you need for alternative medicine. Vitamin C over a certain does will be illegal and you will need a Dr. prescription. Getting the picture now..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611857My dad was bragging about Germany's policy where you could get a lethal dose of a drug to commit suicide prescribed, totally legal, saying what a great policy that was. I said, yeah dad, you can get a lethal dose, but you can't get Vitamin C there, what kind of message are they sending? I mean what is the big picture here? He got kind of quiet . . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 611928 Netherlands 02/10/2009 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Also, it might give all of us the motivation to get resourceful and learn to cure our own ills as our forefathers did. Fortunately for them, they didn't have big pharma and the new medicine men to contend with. Example: From a booklet I just received written by William Campbell Douglas II, M.D. --- A few years ago, the medical big shots declared that any blood pressure reading over 115/75 means that you are at high risk of heart disease. The day before they came down from Mt. Sinai with the commandment, the same "experts" were saying the danger level was 140/90. So millions of people who went to bed healthy got up the next morning and found themselves "sick" and in need of prescription medications. Total nonsense! What if you found out that your blood pressure is really healthier at 195/90 than at 160/90? Or in fact that no level can predict your risk for heart disease anyway? Well, get ready to be shocked--... high blood presure doesn't cause heart disease. It's just a symptom, and reducing it may do little or nothing for the real problem. I wouldn't give the major blood pressure drugs to my dog, or any other living creature that I love. They're all bad news--the beta blockers, the ACE inhibitors, the calcium channel blockers, the whole rotten bunch. Statin drugs are a threat to your life. Dr. Duane Graveline is a NASA astronaut and a medical doctor. He lost his memory after six weeks on Lipitor. He got mad enough about it and wrote a book, "Lipitor: Thief of memory." An assistant professor at the University of California says, "We have lost people who have lost thinking ability so fast that within the course of a couple of months they went from being heads of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company. . |
Philly Girl User ID: 541429 United States 02/10/2009 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare Until Codex Almentarius goes into place in Dec 2009, then good luck finding what you need for alternative medicine. Vitamin C over a certain does will be illegal and you will need a Dr. prescription. Getting the picture now..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 610841My dad was bragging about Germany's policy where you could get a lethal dose of a drug to commit suicide prescribed, totally legal, saying what a great policy that was. I said, yeah dad, you can get a lethal dose, but you can't get Vitamin C there, what kind of message are they sending? I mean what is the big picture here? He got kind of quiet . . Been able to do that in Oregan for awhile now. They had what they said was a "computer error" over the summer that generated a few letters that were sent out to elderly patients who had been diagnosed with cancer and/or other fatal diseases. The letter told them that they could receive morphine to make them feel better or they could have a lethal dose shipped to their home instead but "due to their particular situation" that they would not pay for any treatment. It's calculated the same way - if the odds of your survival for 5 years or more are less than a certain percentage they don't considered it cost effective (now perhaps you understand why even though everything cost more today than it did five years ago the estimated government value placed on a person's life DECREASED by a million dollars last year). When you add the different proposed "Duty to Die" Legislation's across the states it paints a bleak picture. Obama openly supported the UN Development Goals as a Senator - and all that it entails (including Codex A), but for some reason none of his supporters actually seemed to believe he meant it. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 576938 United States 02/10/2009 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Also, it might give all of us the motivation to get resourceful and learn to cure our own ills as our forefathers did. Fortunately for them, they didn't have big pharma and the new medicine men to contend with. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611928Example: From a booklet I just received written by William Campbell Douglas II, M.D. --- A few years ago, the medical big shots declared that any blood pressure reading over 115/75 means that you are at high risk of heart disease. The day before they came down from Mt. Sinai with the commandment, the same "experts" were saying the danger level was 140/90. So millions of people who went to bed healthy got up the next morning and found themselves "sick" and in need of prescription medications. Total nonsense! What if you found out that your blood pressure is really healthier at 195/90 than at 160/90? Or in fact that no level can predict your risk for heart disease anyway? Well, get ready to be shocked--... high blood presure doesn't cause heart disease. It's just a symptom, and reducing it may do little or nothing for the real problem. I wouldn't give the major blood pressure drugs to my dog, or any other living creature that I love. They're all bad news--the beta blockers, the ACE inhibitors, the calcium channel blockers, the whole rotten bunch. Statin drugs are a threat to your life. Dr. Duane Graveline is a NASA astronaut and a medical doctor. He lost his memory after six weeks on Lipitor. He got mad enough about it and wrote a book, "Lipitor: Thief of memory." An assistant professor at the University of California says, "We have lost people who have lost thinking ability so fast that within the course of a couple of months they went from being heads of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company. . Yes, doctors are dangerous but do you want an even smaller group of individuals heading up what is and is not valid treatment. I agree that people need to be more conscious about health and that your examples of BP & Statins is on target -- but the bill has nothing to do with improving healthcare, I think it is more of a eugenics thing - honestly. |
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Philly Girl User ID: 541429 United States 02/10/2009 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Also, it might give all of us the motivation to get resourceful and learn to cure our own ills as our forefathers did. Fortunately for them, they didn't have big pharma and the new medicine men to contend with. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611928Example: From a booklet I just received written by William Campbell Douglas II, M.D. --- A few years ago, the medical big shots declared that any blood pressure reading over 115/75 means that you are at high risk of heart disease. The day before they came down from Mt. Sinai with the commandment, the same "experts" were saying the danger level was 140/90. So millions of people who went to bed healthy got up the next morning and found themselves "sick" and in need of prescription medications. Total nonsense! What if you found out that your blood pressure is really healthier at 195/90 than at 160/90? Or in fact that no level can predict your risk for heart disease anyway? Well, get ready to be shocked--... high blood presure doesn't cause heart disease. It's just a symptom, and reducing it may do little or nothing for the real problem. I wouldn't give the major blood pressure drugs to my dog, or any other living creature that I love. They're all bad news--the beta blockers, the ACE inhibitors, the calcium channel blockers, the whole rotten bunch. Statin drugs are a threat to your life. Dr. Duane Graveline is a NASA astronaut and a medical doctor. He lost his memory after six weeks on Lipitor. He got mad enough about it and wrote a book, "Lipitor: Thief of memory." An assistant professor at the University of California says, "We have lost people who have lost thinking ability so fast that within the course of a couple of months they went from being heads of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company. . Not sure how old you are, but Doctors were much better, much more efficient, and much more cost effective BEFORE Government started intervening through programs like Medicaid & Medicare which have a fraud rate of over 30% and costs EVERYONE billions each years. More government intervention is not the answer. And although it may be a good thing (on some levels) to computerize the medical records, it is in no way a Stimulus and shouldn't be in the package at all cause it will result in the loss of jobs over time (so scratch medical records clerk off the list of "recession proof" jobs of the future that the government published) and once funded we never seem to stop paying - so it will in no way be temporary (The "Temporary" Tax Funding for the Spanish-American War didn't end until 2006!). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609707 United States 02/10/2009 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Also, it might give all of us the motivation to get resourceful and learn to cure our own ills as our forefathers did. Fortunately for them, they didn't have big pharma and the new medicine men to contend with. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 611928Example: From a booklet I just received written by William Campbell Douglas II, M.D. --- A few years ago, the medical big shots declared that any blood pressure reading over 115/75 means that you are at high risk of heart disease. The day before they came down from Mt. Sinai with the commandment, the same "experts" were saying the danger level was 140/90. So millions of people who went to bed healthy got up the next morning and found themselves "sick" and in need of prescription medications. Total nonsense! What if you found out that your blood pressure is really healthier at 195/90 than at 160/90? Or in fact that no level can predict your risk for heart disease anyway? Well, get ready to be shocked--... high blood presure doesn't cause heart disease. It's just a symptom, and reducing it may do little or nothing for the real problem. I wouldn't give the major blood pressure drugs to my dog, or any other living creature that I love. They're all bad news--the beta blockers, the ACE inhibitors, the calcium channel blockers, the whole rotten bunch. Statin drugs are a threat to your life. Dr. Duane Graveline is a NASA astronaut and a medical doctor. He lost his memory after six weeks on Lipitor. He got mad enough about it and wrote a book, "Lipitor: Thief of memory." An assistant professor at the University of California says, "We have lost people who have lost thinking ability so fast that within the course of a couple of months they went from being heads of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company. . Finally!I found the blood pressure conspiracy!I am a lean ie no body fat,endurance athlete.I had some minor surgery.the entire stay at the hospitol,My BP was very low and I was told i was a classic white coat syndrome case.I aint taking that shit lol.My nuero gave me until march 4th and he thinks I am going to listen to his BS.Nope.I took my BP yesterday and was normal.I listen to no DR.I do like the surgeons.Outside of them,is a bunch of retards.All of whom need to be put on stains and bp meds lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 611928 Netherlands 02/10/2009 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Get healthy & use alternative health care BECAUSE Obama & the Stimulus Pkg just screwed ALL AMERICANS in healthcare Just a reminder here. Doctors are the NUMBER ONE cause of deaths in the U.S. They need to have their feathers trimmed, and this might do it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 576938. --------- I agree that people need to be more conscious about health and that your examples of BP & Statins is on target -- but the bill has nothing to do with improving healthcare, I think it is more of a eugenics thing - honestly. I agree with you that this is more of a eugenics thing. There is much to point to this even before guidelines were introduced into the stimulus package. The elderly are to be eliminated by means of lack of any meaningful medical attention. It will become more and more evident in nursing homes and hospitals first. Only the rich will survive the holocaust of the loss of life as they age. . |