Christian Theology

That's literalism. Fundamentalism can sometimes include literalism but Fundamentalism doesn't depend on literalism.

Fundamentalism (aside from its usual religious context) is simply about having a foundation by which to achieve consensus. This helps unite coherence and understanding.

In the Fundamentalism of Christianity there are different sets of fundamentals depending on the denomination.

In this thread it's not about that. Scripture is a fundamental in almost all of them.

For me personally it is.

This thread is not about "converting" anyone so I dont...care...what denomination someone has?

Scripture is fundamental for my relationship with God and that's what this thread is about...Scripture and how to read it.

Any comments that divert from this, even if they have a kind intention, are no help here. I'm not going to change my topic~ you can make a thread for yourselves too

Thanks. I dont need this, though.

You overestimate me

And you underestimate this site too apparently! I found writings that were just what I was looking for

Beyond Faith? No.

I dont see the things you say validated in Scripture. In fact, I see quite the opposite.


God is the holiest of holy. If you could "actually experience even just a tiny bit of the holiness of God" you would be obliterated.

Let's be adults if we are discussing something that is often simplified for children! I dont want to talk to children about this in children's terms, you know?

This thread is about Scripture :) Please respect the topic

I love the Torah

I didn't particularly like Paul's writings however he is recognized by Peter in his writings as a brother.

The scriptures describe Paul as a highly literate, educated, well versed in the Hebrew language and Torah, as well as Latin and had the Roman citizenship which was an upper class status at the time. Isn't it so?

It takes a long time to study the Torah and it's even more difficult without understanding the Hebrew but it's good that God is Kind to us and proved it in the life of his Son Jesus Christ.

He proved it by resurrecting him.

Only those who study Torah that reject him and deny that he is the son of God will find the following difficult to digest...

Isaiah 28:16
New International Version

16 So this is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation;
the one who relies on it
will never be stricken with panic.

Psalm 118:22
New International Version

22
The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;

Isaiah 8:14
New International Version

14
He will be a holy place;
for both Israel and Judah he will be
a stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.
And for the people of Jerusalem he will be
a trap and a snare.

....quoting Apostle Peter in 1 Peter Chapter 2.

Yes that's interesting. I have found myself doing something similar, and wrapping my own ideas first. However my "goal" (if you could call it that) is to consistently transform and renew my mind regarding what Scripture actually teaches us since I see it as a living divine communication to us, if we approach it with sincere and open hearts to receive God's kindness.

Of course we could also be destroyed by His Holiness! I find that I would rather be destroyed than live a Godless life anyway. So for me it is quite simple.

The foundation I describe in this thread is my approach. I certainly am not telling others how to do it. Though I think this is the best way, which is why it is the approach I choose for myself.

There are lots of things to talk about and I'd like to talk about Scripture, the hermeneutic principles and excellent insights into understanding the actual essence of the Scripture. I'll be focusing on that, but I suppose, if you'd like to share things that are askew to the topic or maybe inspire your own search for God in the ways he allows us to seek him, feel free.

As you can see, this thread is like a free for all! I'm focusing on what I'd like to study. I think it would be good for anyone else to also focus on what they would like to study.

I'd like to skip on Gematria for this thread since it's really something I see for more advanced study which, in my opinion, requires a very accurate understanding of Hebrew rather than mathematics.

However, I did note that you seem to be demonstrating credentials...If you are wise and understanding and know what to do and have the right to command and believe it, then go ahead..?

Would the ones who know what to do require someone else to tell them?

Forgive me for coming across impolite, I just dont understand why you posted it.

No. There's a clearer explanation for why works are so important in the life of faith but I don't feel very inspired to answer mockery. It saps my motivation.

It is written to not cast pearls before swine. I am still learning that lesson!

I find it difficult to read on after reading your statements. The all knowing God doesn't need you to impress anything on him. He doesn't require persuasion or negotiation but a clean intention and sincere heart.

Some people like to simplify God to make it easier for a child to reach out to God. This works for children who are inherently innocent and open hearted.

For adults who have a lot of muck inside and many hidden lies they tell themselves, they talk to God through this filter of lies thinking they can trick the all knowing God just because they believe their own lies.

To the one who has sinned there is only one way to God, that is through his mercy which is demonstrated and proved by the life of his Son Jesus Christ who died and was resurrected by the Father, fulfilling all requirements of God.

God is the holiest of holy. He will destroy you by his very holy nature. You do not "hang out" with God. God has mercy on you and purifies you so you can have a relationship with him.

Whether you get that chance depends on the truth of your own heart, which you cannot hide from God, who sees all.

Thanks for participating in my thread! I pray for the continual mercy of God to reveal to us all, and each, the Way, the Truth and the Life by which we can glorify Him and be in communion with him, sanctified and sanctifying ever more into everlasting perfection with Him Eternal.

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Last Edited by Psychedelic Mashed Potatoes on 10/04/2022 06:25 PM

Yet are we the one's who determines 'who' the 'swine' are?

Father God tapped on the shoulder of several 'heathens' in the Old Testament - and Jesus converted the radical Pharisee Saul into Paul.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given
by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 10/04/2022 08:58 AM

Getting caught up in human-made terminology is a waste of time.

Most Bible vers are meant to be taken literally.

Most that are not are vague Prophecy verses.

Then I will show how I understand the verse which is logical.

Faith without works is dead because works are what we do all throughout life. It is impossible not to do works. Even resting is a work, in the sense that a work is a FRUIT.

Fruit exists as an effect of the seed, which even for a mustard seed which is a small seed can grow into a large tree, is enough to move a mountain into the sea.

So as is the fruit "of the seed" so is the work "of the spirit".

There are works of faith, these are the faithful spiritual actions. Keeping the commandments are works of a faithful spirit and these build up the kingdom of heaven.

There are works of faithlessness (lawlessness). These are sins and sinful behaviors. These works are offensive to God and serve the kingdom of satan, the world and the enemies of God.

It is written that you will know them by their fruits, because it reveals the seed of them. Our works, which are the inescapable effects we have on the world and in the spiritual world - we are always doing works. We are never "not doing works" so there is no such thing as a part-time Christian. There is no such thing as a "vacation from sanctification".

All indulgence in sinful works serve the enemies of God. Why is that?

Because God created us in the image of God! God is uncaused cause. God is the source of causality.

We also have what is called free will. This is to be an uncaused cause in the midst of a works that operates according to the causal nature of it which is established by God. This includes all of the Old Testament where God gave us more to understand about the Requirements of approaching and being near to the holy. The punishments for unclean contact are very severe.

So we are always at each moment tested by the gift and burden of free will. You have no choice! You must do works. You do them even if you ignore the effects. Usually by ignoring the effects the fruit doesn't turn out well.

Hopefully this is making sense? Since works are always happening "faith without works", as a concept, is dead of any meaning, because it is based on ignorance of our own free will nature as created by God.

It's a lot of responsibility. The moment you move away from faithful works you are serving the enemies of God. There is no excuse, is there?

Faith without works is not faith, it means nothing, it's a triviality of human thinking - it isn't alive!

This is my current interpretation. New scriptural understanding is all that's needed to renew my mind and clear it up if I'm confused.

The fruit is the effect of the causal works of their spirit. Even if it's a funny humor, it might be something wrong with the fruit. Rotten fruits smell funny and ruin other fruits as well.

I am not at the maturity of spirit where I can take on the impurities of others and sanctify together. Not yet! I'm pretty sure that was for church leaders and elders to do. I'm still cleaning up my own works.

Forgive me if I am low in strength to be of service. With God's help!

Blessings to the faithful.

Edit for some typos and changed some wording for coherence

Last Edited by Something Worth Learning on 10/03/2022 09:35 PM

There's a simpler way to expaling 'works' - and it's Biblically sound.

Works are doing the Father's Will.

Thread: How Important is Father God's Will? - Bible Study

True. It is that simple.

Thanks for the thread. I read each verse.