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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73857987  United States05/26/2022 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab "ATF has reached a point where it has converted nearly one billion records (required to be kept by FFLs) into a single, centralized, and searchable national gun registry, that is routinely searched by multiple data fields (except, reportedly, by gun owner name)."  |
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AxX
 User ID: 75450217 United States05/26/2022 04:09 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab And there, it will stay in a database, then the company sells subscription access to it back to the government so they can still get their data, but also still tell citizens, "We don't HAVE it." Energy flows where focus goes. [25/77/19] Rev 3:9 <-- Wonder who these guys are? “The future’s uncertain and The End is always near!” - Jim Morrison, 1970 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73857987 United States05/26/2022 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab Biden’s staff said there were real limits on the executive power a president can wield, even in moments of national grief. He cannot ban military-style weapons or raise the age to purchase a rifle; such actions would require passing legislation in Congress," Yep just as the writers of the Constitution intended. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73857987 United States05/26/2022 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab Just like your internet data, it will be exported out and given/sold to a third party company that can say "We aren't the government keeping this data." Quoting: AxX And there, it will stay in a database, then the company sells subscription access to it back to the government so they can still get their data, but also still tell citizens, "We don't HAVE it."  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73857987 United States05/26/2022 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab I would never buy or own a gun that has a paper trail on it. Once the government deep sixes the 2nd Amendment they will use those signatures on those pieces of paper you signed to tell you you have X amount of days to turn them in or they will close all your bank accounts and fine you each day you do not turn them in. Will it start a war? most likely. That is why they have been purging the military of Christians and those that think they have any rights. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75593929 United States05/26/2022 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab "ATF has reached a point where it has converted nearly one billion records (required to be kept by FFLs) into a single, centralized, and searchable national gun registry, that is routinely searched by multiple data fields (except, reportedly, by gun owner name)." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73857987 They just might have a billion records, but many of those were just scanned in and OCR'd from handwriting, then GS-5 L'Queefa Jackson had to curate those with her long fingernails. Sheeeit. So this database is rife with errors and omissions, and many who never owned a firearm are now flagged as having one. |
| RestoreTheAnger
User ID: 80577500 United States05/26/2022 04:25 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab  no shit Sherlock…when are you all going to act not surprised anymore? We have been taking it in the “rights” shitter for fucking decades…and you know what? We just let them don’t we? Well assholes just the tip turned into a fist to the fucking wrist!Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| AxX
User ID: 75450217 United States05/26/2022 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab "ATF has reached a point where it has converted nearly one billion records (required to be kept by FFLs) into a single, centralized, and searchable national gun registry, that is routinely searched by multiple data fields (except, reportedly, by gun owner name)." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73857987 They just might have a billion records, but many of those were just scanned in and OCR'd from handwriting, then GS-5 L'Queefa Jackson had to curate those with her long fingernails. Sheeeit. So this database is rife with errors and omissions, and many who never owned a firearm are now flagged as having one. We had an ex-Humana employee work for us once. She confided in me that her job was in the "middle" of a process that required her to manipulate an Excel Spreadsheet before passing the list on to the "final stage". She continued to tell me how she didn't know how to use Excel and she was sorting the data, but neglected to choose ALL the columns. After she "half-sorted" and sent the data on to the next step, TONS of people across the US got erroneous letters about their enrollment into Obamacare because her "half-sorting" screwed up people's addresses from statuses, etc. ONE uneducated person was responsible for SOOOOOOOOOooooo much bad data in big corporate. I'd imagine this "firearm database" isn't much better. Energy flows where focus goes. [25/77/19] Rev 3:9 <-- Wonder who these guys are? “The future’s uncertain and The End is always near!” - Jim Morrison, 1970 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83385706 05/26/2022 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab Just like your internet data, it will be exported out and given/sold to a third party company that can say "We aren't the government keeping this data." Quoting: AxX And there, it will stay in a database, then the company sells subscription access to it back to the government so they can still get their data, but also still tell citizens, "We don't HAVE it." That doesn't make it legal and it's not a loophole, either. The law makes it illegal for the government to access this data in any way, regardless of the mode of collection. The second they've accessed it from a contracted agency, they've legally taken possession of that data and have broken the law. It's as ridiculous as someone uploading illegal content to some pirate website and then claiming they're not breaking the law because they're no longer in possession of the illegal content while purchasing subscriptions to access said content. I question the legality of collecting such data to begin with. I know it's become big business, but if a private party were doing what these companies are doing they would be convicted of stalking. Allegedly, they're only supposed to be selling "anonymized" data but when it is known that artificial techniques are being used to unmask the people attached to this data I think that argument goes out the window. These companies know exactly what they're selling and exactly what the buyers are doing with the data. |
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| A Jackson
User ID: 80925742 United States05/26/2022 04:31 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab Meanwhile, Sen Ted Cruz, R-Texas, has proposed "the No REGISTRY Rights Act to require the ATF to delete all of their existing transaction records before they can be used against law-abiding Americans." Quoting: WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS SHITT 83438234 Nothing the government has ever gets erased or deleted. Smoke me a kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast. If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools. — Plato “AI is kind of a fancy thing, first of all it’s two letters. It means artificial intelligence.” Kamala Harris VPOTUS |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83438561 05/26/2022 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab The Democrats think anything that shoots a bullet is an assault weapon. I have even heard some politicians call an AR 15 a weapon of mass destruction. If we can't agree on what to call them how are we going to figure out how to control them. |
| AxX
User ID: 75450217 United States05/26/2022 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab Just like your internet data, it will be exported out and given/sold to a third party company that can say "We aren't the government keeping this data." Quoting: AxX And there, it will stay in a database, then the company sells subscription access to it back to the government so they can still get their data, but also still tell citizens, "We don't HAVE it." That doesn't make it legal and it's not a loophole, either. The law makes it illegal for the government to access this data in any way, regardless of the mode of collection. The second they've accessed it from a contracted agency, they've legally taken possession of that data and have broken the law. It's as ridiculous as someone uploading illegal content to some pirate website and then claiming they're not breaking the law because they're no longer in possession of the illegal content while purchasing subscriptions to access said content. I question the legality of collecting such data to begin with. I know it's become big business, but if a private party were doing what these companies are doing they would be convicted of stalking. Allegedly, they're only supposed to be selling "anonymized" data but when it is known that artificial techniques are being used to unmask the people attached to this data I think that argument goes out the window. These companies know exactly what they're selling and exactly what the buyers are doing with the data. I agree it's not legal. That's not stopping the government from doing it with your internet data. If they can do it with your internet data, they can certainly do it with a gun registry. Look up "Five Eyes" -- That's what it's all about. One country collects the data for another so that each of them can tell their own people they don't monitor their own citizens. They never tell you someone ELSE is doing it for them. Energy flows where focus goes. [25/77/19] Rev 3:9 <-- Wonder who these guys are? “The future’s uncertain and The End is always near!” - Jim Morrison, 1970 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83385706 05/26/2022 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab Just like your internet data, it will be exported out and given/sold to a third party company that can say "We aren't the government keeping this data." Quoting: AxX And there, it will stay in a database, then the company sells subscription access to it back to the government so they can still get their data, but also still tell citizens, "We don't HAVE it." That doesn't make it legal and it's not a loophole, either. The law makes it illegal for the government to access this data in any way, regardless of the mode of collection. The second they've accessed it from a contracted agency, they've legally taken possession of that data and have broken the law. It's as ridiculous as someone uploading illegal content to some pirate website and then claiming they're not breaking the law because they're no longer in possession of the illegal content while purchasing subscriptions to access said content. I question the legality of collecting such data to begin with. I know it's become big business, but if a private party were doing what these companies are doing they would be convicted of stalking. Allegedly, they're only supposed to be selling "anonymized" data but when it is known that artificial techniques are being used to unmask the people attached to this data I think that argument goes out the window. These companies know exactly what they're selling and exactly what the buyers are doing with the data. I agree it's not legal. That's not stopping the government from doing it with your internet data. If they can do it with your internet data, they can certainly do it with a gun registry. Look up "Five Eyes" -- That's what it's all about. One country collects the data for another so that each of them can tell their own people they don't monitor their own citizens. They never tell you someone ELSE is doing it for them. Well, it's much worse than that. At least as far as the US goes, the government has secret rooms at the telcos where all traffic is "tapped" and then sent off to a data center in Utah for long term storage. Ostensibly, this is only used in conjunction with a warrant, but we all know the history of the FISA court. They know they can't directly use this data on US citizens due to it's illegality, so they engage in "parallel construction" with local law enforcement agencies at "Fusion Centers" where they basically tip off the local police to illegal activities and then the local police attempt to entrap the target in similar activity where said evidence had been collected "legally." I'm aware of one case locally where it came to light during the case that this had occurred in cooperation with the NSA. The judge disallowed all evidence that had been collected as a result and of course, the DA dropped the case. Law enforcement had also been caught here using a database they are not supposed to be accessing without a search warrant to target "undesirable" individuals. Of course, they had no probable cause to show a judge, so there was no warrant. Cases also thrown out. What irks me is that it seems to me several agencies seem to feel free to continue engaging in these warrantless searches despite repeatedly being struck down by courts saying their activities are illegal. As usual, our elected representatives are asleep behind the wheel. I wrote my federal legislators indicating that I would like to see federal legislation that severely curtails and penalizes this type of "sharing." Of course, I never received a response. |
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| AxX
User ID: 75450217 United States05/26/2022 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Bang! Gun-rights group warns Biden setting up national firearms database 'Nearly one billion records' already part of 'single, searchab Just like your internet data, it will be exported out and given/sold to a third party company that can say "We aren't the government keeping this data." Quoting: AxX And there, it will stay in a database, then the company sells subscription access to it back to the government so they can still get their data, but also still tell citizens, "We don't HAVE it." That doesn't make it legal and it's not a loophole, either. The law makes it illegal for the government to access this data in any way, regardless of the mode of collection. The second they've accessed it from a contracted agency, they've legally taken possession of that data and have broken the law. It's as ridiculous as someone uploading illegal content to some pirate website and then claiming they're not breaking the law because they're no longer in possession of the illegal content while purchasing subscriptions to access said content. I question the legality of collecting such data to begin with. I know it's become big business, but if a private party were doing what these companies are doing they would be convicted of stalking. Allegedly, they're only supposed to be selling "anonymized" data but when it is known that artificial techniques are being used to unmask the people attached to this data I think that argument goes out the window. These companies know exactly what they're selling and exactly what the buyers are doing with the data. I agree it's not legal. That's not stopping the government from doing it with your internet data. If they can do it with your internet data, they can certainly do it with a gun registry. Look up "Five Eyes" -- That's what it's all about. One country collects the data for another so that each of them can tell their own people they don't monitor their own citizens. They never tell you someone ELSE is doing it for them. Well, it's much worse than that. At least as far as the US goes, the government has secret rooms at the telcos where all traffic is "tapped" and then sent off to a data center in Utah for long term storage. Ostensibly, this is only used in conjunction with a warrant, but we all know the history of the FISA court. They know they can't directly use this data on US citizens due to it's illegality, so they engage in "parallel construction" with local law enforcement agencies at "Fusion Centers" where they basically tip off the local police to illegal activities and then the local police attempt to entrap the target in similar activity where said evidence had been collected "legally." I'm aware of one case locally where it came to light during the case that this had occurred in cooperation with the NSA. The judge disallowed all evidence that had been collected as a result and of course, the DA dropped the case. Law enforcement had also been caught here using a database they are not supposed to be accessing without a search warrant to target "undesirable" individuals. Of course, they had no probable cause to show a judge, so there was no warrant. Cases also thrown out. What irks me is that it seems to me several agencies seem to feel free to continue engaging in these warrantless searches despite repeatedly being struck down by courts saying their activities are illegal. As usual, our elected representatives are asleep behind the wheel. I wrote my federal legislators indicating that I would like to see federal legislation that severely curtails and penalizes this type of "sharing." Of course, I never received a response.  Energy flows where focus goes. [25/77/19] Rev 3:9 <-- Wonder who these guys are? “The future’s uncertain and The End is always near!” - Jim Morrison, 1970 |
| theyrcoming
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We had grampas that left unregistered guns