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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77497449 United States 12/20/2021 12:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Testimony of the Evangelists by Simon Greenleaf (1783-1853) Greenleaf, one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity. But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In examining the evidence of the Christian religion, it is essential to the discovery of truth that we bring to the investigation a mind freed, as far as possible, from existing prejudice, and open to conviction. There should be a readiness, on our part, to investigate with candor to follow the truth wherever it may lead us, and to submit, without reserve or objection, to all the teachings of this religion, if it be found to be of divine origin. "There is no other entrance," says Lord Bacon, "to the kingdom of man, which is founded in the sciences, than to the kingdom of heaven, into which no one can enter but in the character of a little child." The docility which true philosophy requires of her disciples is not a spirit of servility, or the surrender of the reason and judgment to whatsoever the teacher may inculcate; but it is a mind free from all pride of opinion, not hostile to the truth sought for, willing to pursue the inquiry, and impartiality to weigh the arguments and evidence, and to acquiesce in the judgment of right reason. The investigation, moreover, should be pursued with the serious earnestness which becomes the greatness of the subject--a subject fraught with such momentous consequences to man. It should be pursued as in the presence of God, and under the solemn sanctions created by a lively sense of his omniscience, and of our accountability to him for the right use of the faculties which he has bestowed... [link to law2.umkc.edu] . |
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Pythonissam Vita User ID: 80856853 United States 12/20/2021 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is he mock-worthy for some reason? Is he not a significant thinker concerning the validity of evidences? . You can't see the problem of a Christian trying to prove Christianity? Greenleaf was intent on disproving Christianity. How to penetrate such a fog? No he wasn't. He was looking to prove what he already believed. “Secure the shadow, ere the substance fades.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77497449 United States 12/20/2021 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well since so much has been bastardized and mistranslated and outright made up and everything is so contradictory, you are left with little choice but to cherry pick. It comes down to what you want to believe in. Quoting: Green Witch I believe that historical Jesus existed. Not the demigod his followers turned him into. I believe he taught a message of hope and how to treat your fellow man and that nothing is impossible. A man who taught that you don't need religion or some 'priest class' to know God. It was a teaching so simple and powerful and scary that he was killed for it. The Bible is True. "The great discovery is that the Bible is a message system: it's not simply 66 books penned by 40 authors over thousands of years, the Bible is an integrated whole which bears evidence of supernatural engineering in every detail." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78151239 "The Bible is an integrated message system, the product of supernatural engineering. Every number, every place name, every detail every jot and tittle is there for our learning, our discovery, and our amazement. Truly, our God is an awesome God." [link to www.khouse.org] "Since God has the technology to create us in the first place, He certainly has the technology to get a message to us. But how does He authenticate His message? It may seem old-fashioned to take the Bible seriously, especially in our modern age of scientific discoveries and multicultural emphases. It has become politically correct to deny the existence of absolutes and to deny the involvement of our Creator in our affairs. And yet there are many intellectual and well-informed people who take the Bible very seriously—who even regard its origin as supernatural. Why? My own personal background has been in the information sciences—computers, communication, cryptography, and the like. With graduate degrees in engineering and business, and having spent a 30-year career in the corporate boardrooms of over a dozen high-tech enterprises, I have become most profoundly impressed by two astonishing discoveries: 1.The 66 books which we call the Bible constitute a highly integrated message system. What makes this so astonishing is the fact that they were penned by more than forty different people over a period of several thousand years!1 Yet we now discover that virtually every detail of the Biblical text evidences a highly skillful integrated design from cover to cover. In fact, every word, every place name, every detail was apparently placed there (in the original) deliberately as part of an overall intricate plan. 2.What is even more astounding is that it can be demonstrated that the origin of this intricate design is from outside of our dimension of space and time." "A Message of Extraterrestrial Origin" "We are in possession of this collection of 66 books we call The Bible, written by more than 40 authors over several thousands of years, yet we now discover it is an integrated message from outside our time domain. It repeatedly authenticates this uniqueness by describing history before it happens. And this discovery totally shatters our traditional concepts of reality." [link to www.khouse.org] |
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Pythonissam Vita User ID: 80856853 United States 12/20/2021 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well since so much has been bastardized and mistranslated and outright made up and everything is so contradictory, you are left with little choice but to cherry pick. It comes down to what you want to believe in. Quoting: Green Witch I believe that historical Jesus existed. Not the demigod his followers turned him into. I believe he taught a message of hope and how to treat your fellow man and that nothing is impossible. A man who taught that you don't need religion or some 'priest class' to know God. It was a teaching so simple and powerful and scary that he was killed for it. The Bible is True. "The great discovery is that the Bible is a message system: it's not simply 66 books penned by 40 authors over thousands of years, the Bible is an integrated whole which bears evidence of supernatural engineering in every detail." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78151239 "The Bible is an integrated message system, the product of supernatural engineering. Every number, every place name, every detail every jot and tittle is there for our learning, our discovery, and our amazement. Truly, our God is an awesome God." [link to www.khouse.org] "Since God has the technology to create us in the first place, He certainly has the technology to get a message to us. But how does He authenticate His message? It may seem old-fashioned to take the Bible seriously, especially in our modern age of scientific discoveries and multicultural emphases. It has become politically correct to deny the existence of absolutes and to deny the involvement of our Creator in our affairs. And yet there are many intellectual and well-informed people who take the Bible very seriously—who even regard its origin as supernatural. Why? My own personal background has been in the information sciences—computers, communication, cryptography, and the like. With graduate degrees in engineering and business, and having spent a 30-year career in the corporate boardrooms of over a dozen high-tech enterprises, I have become most profoundly impressed by two astonishing discoveries: 1.The 66 books which we call the Bible constitute a highly integrated message system. What makes this so astonishing is the fact that they were penned by more than forty different people over a period of several thousand years!1 Yet we now discover that virtually every detail of the Biblical text evidences a highly skillful integrated design from cover to cover. In fact, every word, every place name, every detail was apparently placed there (in the original) deliberately as part of an overall intricate plan. 2.What is even more astounding is that it can be demonstrated that the origin of this intricate design is from outside of our dimension of space and time." "A Message of Extraterrestrial Origin" "We are in possession of this collection of 66 books we call The Bible, written by more than 40 authors over several thousands of years, yet we now discover it is an integrated message from outside our time domain. It repeatedly authenticates this uniqueness by describing history before it happens. And this discovery totally shatters our traditional concepts of reality." [link to www.khouse.org] Quoting Chuck Missler. You might as well be quoting a well trained used car salesman. “Secure the shadow, ere the substance fades.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77497449 United States 12/20/2021 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe that historical Jesus existed. Not the demigod his followers turned him into. Quoting: Green Witch Which part is not true? You just say this. You don't even know what you are saying but you just say it anyway.. "Demigod his followers turned him into"?! So the eyewitness accounts are lies? It's all evil lying liars lying about the Good Guy that said not to lie?! |
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Pythonissam Vita User ID: 80856853 United States 12/20/2021 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe that historical Jesus existed. Not the demigod his followers turned him into. Quoting: Green Witch Which part is not true? You just say this. You don't even know what you are saying but you just say it anyway.. "Demigod his followers turned him into"?! So the eyewitness accounts are lies? It's all evil lying liars lying about the Good Guy that said not to lie?! Eyewitness accounts? LOL “Secure the shadow, ere the substance fades.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75803924 Canada 12/20/2021 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe that historical Jesus existed. Not the demigod his followers turned him into. Quoting: Green Witch Which part is not true? You just say this. You don't even know what you are saying but you just say it anyway.. "Demigod his followers turned him into"?! So the eyewitness accounts are lies? It's all evil lying liars lying about the Good Guy that said not to lie?! You are the liar. Stop pretending to preach Christ. Preach "the trinity". Don't be ashamed of your idol. |
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Green Witch
Pythonissam Vita User ID: 80856853 United States 12/20/2021 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81599564 but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 2Peter 1:16 You do know that 2nd peter is almost universally considered a forgery don't you? “Secure the shadow, ere the substance fades.” |
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Pythonissam Vita User ID: 80856853 United States 12/20/2021 01:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting Chuck Missler. You might as well be quoting a well trained used car salesman. Quoting: Green Witch He is bad? That depends on what you want to believe. I guess he is ok if you believe in Bible Codes and Martian Invasions. “Secure the shadow, ere the substance fades.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81599564 United States 12/20/2021 01:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81599564 but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 2Peter 1:16 You do know that 2nd peter is almost universally considered a forgery don't you? Nonsense. But as you wish. So Paul is no good, right? How about Luke? Is Luke bad too? Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed. Luke 1:1-4 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. Acts 1:1-3 . |
Green Witch
Pythonissam Vita User ID: 80856853 United States 12/20/2021 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81599564 but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 2Peter 1:16 You do know that 2nd peter is almost universally considered a forgery don't you? Nonsense. But as you wish. So Paul is no good, right? How about Luke? Is Luke bad too? Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed. Luke 1:1-4 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. Acts 1:1-3 . I'm not going to debate the merits of each book because that would take hours, if not days. Do your own research. Start with the history of Paul. Then read Mark and compare it to Josephus and tell me what you find. When you finally understand that there is basically only one Gospel, that of Mark and the rest are rewrites, then come back to me. “Secure the shadow, ere the substance fades.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81599564 United States 12/20/2021 01:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting Chuck Missler. You might as well be quoting a well trained used car salesman. Quoting: Green Witch He is bad? That depends on what you want to believe. I guess he is ok if you believe in Bible Codes and Martian Invasions. I want to believe the Truth always in all things. Is there some good reason that you disparage this brilliant man first? I know what he said about various things called Bible Codes. He didn't talk about Martian Invasions, although he talked about the Nephilim and UFOs and how he believed that related to the Bible and prophecy. Is that bad? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81599564 United States 12/20/2021 01:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not going to debate the merits of each book because that would take hours, if not days. Do your own research. Start with the history of Paul. Then read Mark and compare it to Josephus and tell me what you find. Quoting: Green Witch When you finally understand that there is basically only one Gospel, that of Mark and the rest are rewrites, then come back to me. I didn't ask for any debate. I asked for a yes or no. You don't know The Bible but you don't believe The Bible but you claim to really believe in Jesus. OK... |
Green Witch
Pythonissam Vita User ID: 80856853 United States 12/20/2021 01:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not going to debate the merits of each book because that would take hours, if not days. Do your own research. Start with the history of Paul. Then read Mark and compare it to Josephus and tell me what you find. Quoting: Green Witch When you finally understand that there is basically only one Gospel, that of Mark and the rest are rewrites, then come back to me. I didn't ask for any debate. I asked for a yes or no. You don't know The Bible but you don't believe The Bible but you claim to really believe in Jesus. OK... I can promise you, I've read the bible more than you have :) “Secure the shadow, ere the substance fades.” |
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User ID: 81085300 United States 12/20/2021 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ditto. Very much so, in fact. But as stated earlier, the Jesus of the bible is a fiction. . all arguments aside if you take a few minutes of your life to watch this you will be amazed even the skeptics now believe Traitors to the Devil we are the Anonymous Christ within, the hope of glory. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80609567 United States 12/20/2021 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have walked across America for decades; and found only one honest man during that period: My Father. So the notion that even hundreds will be raptured is an absolute absurdity; the American people are lower than whale shit; greedy scumbags and almost every single one a cowardly enabler of the incredibly evil regime. Remember; a coward is something God hates; and all Americans are cowards. a coward is NOT a person who is frightened when they have a gun put to their head or a person about to be tossed in a snake pit; to be frightened at that moment is NOTHING to ashamed of nor is it cowardice it is a normal reaction. Cowardice is Mr Brown; Nicole's father who when OJ cut off his daughter's head; meekly said: "Innocent until proven guilty!" Mr Brown is modern America; seeing evil all around it and not having the guts to even call it evil; let alone exterminate it. |
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(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 12/20/2021 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Zovalex I earnestly hope there IS a rapture, and that each and every one of you bibletards makes the list! What a glorious day it will be to log into GLP and not see a single post involving religion! We can finally destroy ALL the churches, temples, and synagogues…. All of the Mind-imprisoning facilities and tools that have enslaved the Minds of men for millennia. It will be a New Earth! So good luck, RaptureTards! May your dreams come true! In a sense it could be said that the Rapture is a "clearing of the decks" before the battle begins. You may be sure that the Lord knows all the evil that is in your heart. If you do not repent while you are still blessed with a little time, then you will bitterly regret it for the rest of eternity. |