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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80774844 United Kingdom 08/23/2021 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :jbase: I've always liked Mars Bars actually. I've lived in the States for nearly 30 years and I'd say it's a case of what tastes your used to. But one things for sure the Yanks use way too much sugar. And another thing is that the day will soon be coming when a bar of chocolate, any chocolate will be a precious treat. That's very true! Mars Bars? absolutely! |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 08/23/2021 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No rapture Stay here and prove yourselves worthy-NOBODY likes a runner who leaves all those that got them there behind. :german6: Worthy of what exactly? The only thing that I can think of is being worthy of is facing the Lord's Judgement for forgetting Him and following our own paths. As for 'leaving you behind', the Lord has been calling you and we also have been telling you. No, you will be responsible for the blood that will be upon your own head. And believe me a lot of blood will be flowing in the coming months and years. We who believe in the Lord's clearly written promises are doing our best to save the unbelievers like you, because we where once like you. |
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Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 08/23/2021 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In reference to that video, I think the way he uses “Christians” as in “all christians” will not go through the tribulation is incorrect. Quoting: Very Interesting SOME Christians will NOT go thru “ great tribulation” SOME Christians WILL go thru “great tribulation” Did anyone forget, there are WISE and there are FOOLISH virgins? SOME Christians are READY. The WISE ones are. SOME Christians have OIL in their lamps. The WISE ones do. The FOOLISH ones DON’T have oil in their lamps and are putzing around still playing games with God, still listening and trusting in what their pastor tells them, than going to God Himself and learning of HIM. SOME Christians are still playing around with their sins, thinking they get a free pass because they said a sinner’s prayer years ago, and God has their back because their a “King’s kid”. They don’t want to obey their Master. Those are FOOLISH Christians because they don’t do what Jesus clearly told them to do in the word. They don’t take their walk with Him seriously. They mess around. Now tell me, WHO do you think will “ be caught up “ FIRST? “ "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy [to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”(Matthew 7:13-14) SOME Christians WILL BE HERE through the tribulation. Some WILL NOT. SOME will give their lives for the Truth’s sake because that is what saves their souls. The tribulation will WISE THEM UP FAST. Thanks that was a thoughtful post. The wise Christian is one who believes what the Bible says and who has put all of their trust in the Lord for their salvation. We all fail everyday, but we pick ourselves up and keep on going because we know that that wonderful day is fast approaching. The foolish Christian is one who listens to lying preachers, is distracted by the cares of this world, and was likely never more than a lukewarm believer in the first place. Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish. Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Remember that the Rapture can happen at any moment, in the twinkling of an eye. You have still been blessed with a little time, so if you have not made your self right with the Lord, turn to Him now with all your heart and He will be quick to hear you. But don't take all day about it, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be? |
U IS ALL AH STUPID
User ID: 28514326 United States 08/23/2021 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rapture is pagan myth, created during the 19th century, by a spiritist who also believed in alien abductions. Quoting: Informer 2021 [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] bible tards don't know their own bible! they think the word apocalypse means end of the world it does not it means REVELATION that is why john has an apocalypse, or revelation, in the BOOK OF REVELATION moses had an apocalypse enoch had an apocalypse isiaih had and apocalypse ezra had an apocalypse |
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Iron Storm
User ID: 79187838 United States 08/23/2021 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rapture is pagan myth, created during the 19th century, by a spiritist who also believed in alien abductions. Quoting: Informer 2021 [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Darby claimed that Jesus was actually alien, and that he would return from a planet called nibiru. Quoting: Informer 2021 You should not just make stuff up as you go along. He did create the craze that is the Pre-tribulation rapture in 1830. Unless you don't like facts... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77012916 United States 08/23/2021 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In reference to that video, I think the way he uses “Christians” as in “all christians” will not go through the tribulation is incorrect. Quoting: Very Interesting SOME Christians will NOT go thru “ great tribulation” SOME Christians WILL go thru “great tribulation” Did anyone forget, there are WISE and there are FOOLISH virgins? SOME Christians are READY. The WISE ones are. SOME Christians have OIL in their lamps. The WISE ones do. The FOOLISH ones DON’T have oil in their lamps and are putzing around still playing games with God, still listening and trusting in what their pastor tells them, than going to God Himself and learning of HIM. SOME Christians are still playing around with their sins, thinking they get a free pass because they said a sinner’s prayer years ago, and God has their back because their a “King’s kid”. They don’t want to obey their Master. Those are FOOLISH Christians because they don’t do what Jesus clearly told them to do in the word. They don’t take their walk with Him seriously. They mess around. Now tell me, WHO do you think will “ be caught up “ FIRST? “ "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy [to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”(Matthew 7:13-14) SOME Christians WILL BE HERE through the tribulation. Some WILL NOT. SOME will give their lives for the Truth’s sake because that is what saves their souls. The tribulation will WISE THEM UP FAST. Thanks that was a thoughtful post. :wisevirgins1::bridec: The wise Christian is one who believes what the Bible says and who has put all of their trust in the Lord for their salvation. We all fail everyday, but we pick ourselves up and keep on going because we know that that wonderful day is fast approaching. The foolish Christian is one who listens to lying preachers, is distracted by the cares of this world, and was likely never more than a lukewarm believer in the first place. Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish. Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Remember that the Rapture can happen at any moment, in the twinkling of an eye. You have still been blessed with a little time, so if you have not made your self right with the Lord, turn to Him now with all your heart and He will be quick to hear you. But don't take all day about it, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be? Yes, that’s it exactly. And if we are still here right now ( which we are) we still can get it right. Today if you hear His voice, harden not your heart. Because the door could be closing very soon. Don’t miss your day of visitation. |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 08/23/2021 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rapture is pagan myth, created during the 19th century, by a spiritist who also believed in alien abductions. Quoting: Informer 2021 [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Darby claimed that Jesus was actually alien, and that he would return from a planet called nibiru. Quoting: Informer 2021 You should not just make stuff up as you go along. He did create the craze that is the Pre-tribulation rapture in 1830. Unless you don't like facts... Ah well if we are speaking of facts. Then I will admit that I'm quite curious about how John Nelson Darby was 1...a spiritualist. 2..."claimed that Jesus was actually alien, and that he would return from a planet called nibiru." 3...'create the craze that is the Pre-tribulation rapture in 1830'. Quite apart from anything else what do you think 'The dead in Christ will rise first' means. To most people it means those who have died believing in the Lord and the reresection for the last nearly 2,000 years. So obviously the Word of the Lord has been out there long before John Nelson Darby was born. And the fact that you and others are attacking this man who was faithfully preaching the Word of the Lord tells me that you think nothing of playing fast and loose with the truth. Why should anybody believe you, your just another liar. |
Overdue
User ID: 80335548 United States 08/23/2021 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My church taught that we would be out of here by now! I believe if Christ came back now there would not be alot to take back! We are in the refining stage now! It will get worse before its better! Last Edited by Grognak the Ballbareian on 08/23/2021 09:24 PM |
SentientTransient
User ID: 41163787 United States 08/23/2021 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ll add this video. He has several but this is a shorter one for you guys with short attention spans like me Quoting: Mug [link to m.youtube.com (secure)] In reference to that video, I think the way he uses “Christians” as in “all christians” will not go through the tribulation is incorrect. SOME Christians will NOT go thru “ great tribulation” SOME Christians WILL go thru “great tribulation” Did anyone forget, there are WISE and there are FOOLISH virgins? SOME Christians are READY. The WISE ones are. SOME Christians have OIL in their lamps. The WISE ones do. The FOOLISH ones DON’T have oil in their lamps and are putzing around still playing games with God, still listening and trusting in what their pastor tells them, than going to God Himself and learning of HIM. SOME Christians are still playing around with their sins, thinking they get a free pass because they said a sinner’s prayer years ago, and God has their back because their a “King’s kid”. They don’t want to obey their Master. Those are FOOLISH Christians because they don’t do what Jesus clearly told them to do in the word. They don’t take their walk with Him seriously. They mess around. Now tell me, WHO do you think will “ be caught up “ FIRST? “ "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy [to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”(Matthew 7:13-14) SOME Christians WILL BE HERE through the tribulation. Some WILL NOT. SOME will give their lives for the Truth’s sake because that is what saves their souls. The tribulation will WISE THEM UP FAST. You're not even citing the KJV are you? What? The NIV? Or another "new" edited version that has been proven to be altered to serve the "new world" agenda? You do know all the modern day English version "bibles" are altered and even have scriptures removed from the KJV version right? You know that these new altered versions you are citing Matthew 7:12-13 from also replace Jesus with Lucifer as the "Morning Star" right? No. None of us are "worthy" of a pre trib rapture. Those of you banking on it just fear having to prove your real worth to Him. Prove you actually have real faith in Him. Which we will all have to do. Jesus tells us so just before the Tribulation begins in Revelation: Rev 3:21-22 KJV 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches What did Jesus overcome again? No rapturist can even begin to explain WHY the mark will be what the mark will be. Which is a big deal since the mark IS here and now. With rapturists its always about their opinions and beliefs vs the TRUE WORD of the LORD. Do you honestly know what it means to divide HIS Word properly? It's an absolute must per the instruction of the Lord. You cannot divide the Word properly by using the New World versions of it when they removed verses and altered other ones to sculpt their desired interpretation of it. That is indeed HERESY. And you are citing it far as I can tell- because you sure are not citing KJV/Hbr/Grk The Lord forewarned us of this: 2 Timothy 4:2-4 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables After the "rapture" lie was fostered in the 19c. many scared believers followed their itching ears after it because it soothed their fears of the Lord's wrath. Now false prophets like Isaiah Saldivar are making 100s of 1000s of $ "teaching" the same thing on the internet that you thought you were teaching me earlier. False prophecy sells. Real prophecy scares the weak. Real prophecy empowers the chosen. There is a HUGE change in one key word in Revelation from the KJV to these New World modern fraud bibles you appear to be citing "scripture" from. It just so happens to be one that rapturists cling to. It's this- also in Revelation 3: The KJV version of 3:10 reads: 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth But in the NIV and other New World versions like whatever you are citing from? 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth When someone reads the Lord will come to keep them from the hour of "trial" they might think they are getting that free pass you are sure you're getting. But when it comes to "temptation"? That just means those who keep His Commandments and statutes will be kept from choosing the mark in the hour of temptation. That is the Lord's true Word. Meaning we all face the mark choice- which means we all face at least a part of the Trib. The understanding of HIS WORD over one's opinion requires deeper understanding, zero fear, and TRUE FAITH. How can anyone divide His Word properly by adding a non existent word to His Book? They can't. If it isn't in The Bible then it is just conspiracy theory. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77012916 United States 08/23/2021 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to believe in the pre trib rapture like my church teaches. I believe it will come but we will have to suffer first to be "refined like silver." Quoting: Overdue My church taught that we would be out of here by now! I believe if Christ came back now there would not be alot to take back! We are in the refining stage now! It will get worse before its better! It all depends how long you think the tribulation lasts. Some think it’s a 7 year tribulation. Others think it’s a 3.5 yr tribulation. The last 3.5 years is known as “great tribulation”. Me, I think we are in the “ time of sorrows” Jesus talked about in Matthew 24. The first part of the 7 year time period. The first 3.5 yrs. of the trib. Or it’s just about at the beginning. So, I believe some will be raptured during the first part of the timeframe. Others, later on. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77012916 United States 08/23/2021 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ll add this video. He has several but this is a shorter one for you guys with short attention spans like me Quoting: Mug [link to m.youtube.com (secure)] In reference to that video, I think the way he uses “Christians” as in “all christians” will not go through the tribulation is incorrect. SOME Christians will NOT go thru “ great tribulation” SOME Christians WILL go thru “great tribulation” Did anyone forget, there are WISE and there are FOOLISH virgins? SOME Christians are READY. The WISE ones are. SOME Christians have OIL in their lamps. The WISE ones do. The FOOLISH ones DON’T have oil in their lamps and are putzing around still playing games with God, still listening and trusting in what their pastor tells them, than going to God Himself and learning of HIM. SOME Christians are still playing around with their sins, thinking they get a free pass because they said a sinner’s prayer years ago, and God has their back because their a “King’s kid”. They don’t want to obey their Master. Those are FOOLISH Christians because they don’t do what Jesus clearly told them to do in the word. They don’t take their walk with Him seriously. They mess around. Now tell me, WHO do you think will “ be caught up “ FIRST? “ "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy [to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”(Matthew 7:13-14) SOME Christians WILL BE HERE through the tribulation. Some WILL NOT. SOME will give their lives for the Truth’s sake because that is what saves their souls. The tribulation will WISE THEM UP FAST. You're not even citing the KJV are you? What? The NIV? Or another "new" edited version that has been proven to be altered to serve the "new world" agenda? You do know all the modern day English version "bibles" are altered and even have scriptures removed from the KJV version right? You know that these new altered versions you are citing Matthew 7:12-13 from also replace Jesus with Lucifer as the "Morning Star" right? No. None of us are "worthy" of a pre trib rapture. Those of you banking on it just fear having to prove your real worth to Him. Prove you actually have real faith in Him. Which we will all have to do. Jesus tells us so just before the Tribulation begins in Revelation: Rev 3:21-22 KJV 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches What did Jesus overcome again? No rapturist can even begin to explain WHY the mark will be what the mark will be. Which is a big deal since the mark IS here and now. With rapturists its always about their opinions and beliefs vs the TRUE WORD of the LORD. Do you honestly know what it means to divide HIS Word properly? It's an absolute must per the instruction of the Lord. You cannot divide the Word properly by using the New World versions of it when they removed verses and altered other ones to sculpt their desired interpretation of it. That is indeed HERESY. And you are citing it far as I can tell- because you sure are not citing KJV/Hbr/Grk The Lord forewarned us of this: 2 Timothy 4:2-4 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables After the "rapture" lie was fostered in the 19c. many scared believers followed their itching ears after it because it soothed their fears of the Lord's wrath. Now false prophets like Isaiah Saldivar are making 100s of 1000s of $ "teaching" the same thing on the internet that you thought you were teaching me earlier. False prophecy sells. Real prophecy scares the weak. Real prophecy empowers the chosen. There is a HUGE change in one key word in Revelation from the KJV to these New World modern fraud bibles you appear to be citing "scripture" from. It just so happens to be one that rapturists cling to. It's this- also in Revelation 3: The KJV version of 3:10 reads: 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth But in the NIV and other New World versions like whatever you are citing from? 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth When someone reads the Lord will come to keep them from the hour of "trial" they might think they are getting that free pass you are sure you're getting. But when it comes to "temptation"? That just means those who keep His Commandments and statutes will be kept from choosing the mark in the hour of temptation. That is the Lord's true Word. Meaning we all face the mark choice- which means we all face at least a part of the Trib. The understanding of HIS WORD over one's opinion requires deeper understanding, zero fear, and TRUE FAITH. How can anyone divide His Word properly by adding a non existent word to His Book? They can't. So, what do YOU think “ Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth” mean? |
LaGata
User ID: 42826037 United States 08/23/2021 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the others the debate isn't if there will be a rapture, the debate is pre, mid or post tribulation. Quoting: MudSlinger Not one of us can even guarantee their next breath, so the real debate should be are you right with the Lord, right now? If you have died in the Lord you will rise from the grave to meet the Lord in the air. So look to your own personal situation before debating this or that. I do what makes me sacrifice the most and betters the situation of my neighbor. I want to be able to look God in the face because I have given something up that is difficult to give away in order to help one of his other children. Showing your love for God means sacrifice, hard work, giving what you have to someone who needs it, doing something even if it is difficult/unpleasant because you know it is right. ~~*NOT* a very nice kitty!~~ "Plan for the worst, hope for the best, and don't live in fear." |
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Moshiach'age
User ID: 72570068 United States 08/23/2021 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rapture is pagan myth, created during the 19th century, by a spiritist who also believed in alien abductions. Quoting: Informer 2021 [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Darby claimed that Jesus was actually alien, and that he would return from a planet called nibiru. Quoting: Informer 2021 You should not just make stuff up as you go along. Judethz, Really, that fairly new fairy tale false doctrine came into the churches round about 1911 and became the main doctrine of the churches in 1920.. You know what IS written, test every new doctrine whether it be of the Truth.. Enchantment is where you will find it's meaning seeings that was NOT ever written nor needed for understanding.. Go back to that Time 1911 search for what that word "Enchantment" meant then.. The Truth needs only Truth,simple.. Gd2balive Marty Joe Moshiach'age |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77012916 United States 08/23/2021 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ll add this video. He has several but this is a shorter one for you guys with short attention spans like me Quoting: Mug [link to m.youtube.com (secure)] In reference to that video, I think the way he uses “Christians” as in “all christians” will not go through the tribulation is incorrect. SOME Christians will NOT go thru “ great tribulation” SOME Christians WILL go thru “great tribulation” Did anyone forget, there are WISE and there are FOOLISH virgins? SOME Christians are READY. The WISE ones are. SOME Christians have OIL in their lamps. The WISE ones do. The FOOLISH ones DON’T have oil in their lamps and are putzing around still playing games with God, still listening and trusting in what their pastor tells them, than going to God Himself and learning of HIM. SOME Christians are still playing around with their sins, thinking they get a free pass because they said a sinner’s prayer years ago, and God has their back because their a “King’s kid”. They don’t want to obey their Master. Those are FOOLISH Christians because they don’t do what Jesus clearly told them to do in the word. They don’t take their walk with Him seriously. They mess around. Now tell me, WHO do you think will “ be caught up “ FIRST? “ "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy [to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”(Matthew 7:13-14) SOME Christians WILL BE HERE through the tribulation. Some WILL NOT. SOME will give their lives for the Truth’s sake because that is what saves their souls. The tribulation will WISE THEM UP FAST. You're not even citing the KJV are you? What? The NIV? Or another "new" edited version that has been proven to be altered to serve the "new world" agenda? You do know all the modern day English version "bibles" are altered and even have scriptures removed from the KJV version right? You know that these new altered versions you are citing Matthew 7:12-13 from also replace Jesus with Lucifer as the "Morning Star" right? No. None of us are "worthy" of a pre trib rapture. Those of you banking on it just fear having to prove your real worth to Him. Prove you actually have real faith in Him. Which we will all have to do. Jesus tells us so just before the Tribulation begins in Revelation: Rev 3:21-22 KJV 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches What did Jesus overcome again? No rapturist can even begin to explain WHY the mark will be what the mark will be. Which is a big deal since the mark IS here and now. With rapturists its always about their opinions and beliefs vs the TRUE WORD of the LORD. Do you honestly know what it means to divide HIS Word properly? It's an absolute must per the instruction of the Lord. You cannot divide the Word properly by using the New World versions of it when they removed verses and altered other ones to sculpt their desired interpretation of it. That is indeed HERESY. And you are citing it far as I can tell- because you sure are not citing KJV/Hbr/Grk The Lord forewarned us of this: 2 Timothy 4:2-4 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables After the "rapture" lie was fostered in the 19c. many scared believers followed their itching ears after it because it soothed their fears of the Lord's wrath. Now false prophets like Isaiah Saldivar are making 100s of 1000s of $ "teaching" the same thing on the internet that you thought you were teaching me earlier. False prophecy sells. Real prophecy scares the weak. Real prophecy empowers the chosen. There is a HUGE change in one key word in Revelation from the KJV to these New World modern fraud bibles you appear to be citing "scripture" from. It just so happens to be one that rapturists cling to. It's this- also in Revelation 3: The KJV version of 3:10 reads: 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth But in the NIV and other New World versions like whatever you are citing from? 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth When someone reads the Lord will come to keep them from the hour of "trial" they might think they are getting that free pass you are sure you're getting. But when it comes to "temptation"? That just means those who keep His Commandments and statutes will be kept from choosing the mark in the hour of temptation. That is the Lord's true Word. Meaning we all face the mark choice- which means we all face at least a part of the Trib. The understanding of HIS WORD over one's opinion requires deeper understanding, zero fear, and TRUE FAITH. How can anyone divide His Word properly by adding a non existent word to His Book? They can't. What part of “ some are going sooner than others “ do you not get? Oh, yeah, you don’t understand that there are different harvests. |
Moshiach'age
User ID: 72570068 United States 08/23/2021 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rapture is pagan myth, created during the 19th century, by a spiritist who also believed in alien abductions. Quoting: Informer 2021 [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Darby claimed that Jesus was actually alien, and that he would return from a planet called nibiru. Quoting: Informer 2021 You should not just make stuff up as you go along. Judethz, Really, that fairly new fairy tale false doctrine came into the churches round about 1911 and became the main doctrine of the churches in 1920.. You know what IS written, test every new doctrine whether it be of the Truth.. Enchantment is where you will find it's meaning seeings that was NOT ever written nor needed for understanding.. Go back to that Time 1911 search for what that word "Enchantment" meant then.. The Truth needs only Truth,simple.. Gd2balive Marty Joe Even the Jehovah Witnesses dropped that false doctrine after having declared the rapture with dates that never came to pass.. Learn a lesson from their error. Do as you will but at least search it out Sis.. Gd2balive Marty Joe Moshiach'age |
Moshiach'age
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Moshiach'age
User ID: 72570068 United States 08/23/2021 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's not written than it must be reproved,period.. Sorcery has come into the churches and has taken up residence within anyone who believes their lies.. I have reproved it, now you must reprove it.. Don't be a repeater, be of sound mind and a good steward in all you share here on this forum.. Gd2balive Marty Joe Moshiach'age |
Cnevermore
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GodLike502
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whitewidow110
User ID: 79338011 Netherlands 08/23/2021 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ll add this video. He has several but this is a shorter one for you guys with short attention spans like me Quoting: Mug [link to m.youtube.com (secure)] In reference to that video, I think the way he uses “Christians” as in “all christians” will not go through the tribulation is incorrect. SOME Christians will NOT go thru “ great tribulation” SOME Christians WILL go thru “great tribulation” Did anyone forget, there are WISE and there are FOOLISH virgins? SOME Christians are READY. The WISE ones are. SOME Christians have OIL in their lamps. The WISE ones do. The FOOLISH ones DON’T have oil in their lamps and are putzing around still playing games with God, still listening and trusting in what their pastor tells them, than going to God Himself and learning of HIM. SOME Christians are still playing around with their sins, thinking they get a free pass because they said a sinner’s prayer years ago, and God has their back because their a “King’s kid”. They don’t want to obey their Master. Those are FOOLISH Christians because they don’t do what Jesus clearly told them to do in the word. They don’t take their walk with Him seriously. They mess around. Now tell me, WHO do you think will “ be caught up “ FIRST? “ "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy [to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”(Matthew 7:13-14) SOME Christians WILL BE HERE through the tribulation. Some WILL NOT. SOME will give their lives for the Truth’s sake because that is what saves their souls. The tribulation will WISE THEM UP FAST. You're not even citing the KJV are you? What? The NIV? Or another "new" edited version that has been proven to be altered to serve the "new world" agenda? You do know all the modern day English version "bibles" are altered and even have scriptures removed from the KJV version right? You know that these new altered versions you are citing Matthew 7:12-13 from also replace Jesus with Lucifer as the "Morning Star" right? No. None of us are "worthy" of a pre trib rapture. Those of you banking on it just fear having to prove your real worth to Him. Prove you actually have real faith in Him. Which we will all have to do. Jesus tells us so just before the Tribulation begins in Revelation: Rev 3:21-22 KJV 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches What did Jesus overcome again? No rapturist can even begin to explain WHY the mark will be what the mark will be. Which is a big deal since the mark IS here and now. With rapturists its always about their opinions and beliefs vs the TRUE WORD of the LORD. Do you honestly know what it means to divide HIS Word properly? It's an absolute must per the instruction of the Lord. You cannot divide the Word properly by using the New World versions of it when they removed verses and altered other ones to sculpt their desired interpretation of it. That is indeed HERESY. And you are citing it far as I can tell- because you sure are not citing KJV/Hbr/Grk The Lord forewarned us of this: 2 Timothy 4:2-4 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables After the "rapture" lie was fostered in the 19c. many scared believers followed their itching ears after it because it soothed their fears of the Lord's wrath. Now false prophets like Isaiah Saldivar are making 100s of 1000s of $ "teaching" the same thing on the internet that you thought you were teaching me earlier. False prophecy sells. Real prophecy scares the weak. Real prophecy empowers the chosen. There is a HUGE change in one key word in Revelation from the KJV to these New World modern fraud bibles you appear to be citing "scripture" from. It just so happens to be one that rapturists cling to. It's this- also in Revelation 3: The KJV version of 3:10 reads: 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth But in the NIV and other New World versions like whatever you are citing from? 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth When someone reads the Lord will come to keep them from the hour of "trial" they might think they are getting that free pass you are sure you're getting. But when it comes to "temptation"? That just means those who keep His Commandments and statutes will be kept from choosing the mark in the hour of temptation. That is the Lord's true Word. Meaning we all face the mark choice- which means we all face at least a part of the Trib. The understanding of HIS WORD over one's opinion requires deeper understanding, zero fear, and TRUE FAITH. How can anyone divide His Word properly by adding a non existent word to His Book? They can't. This guy gets it, 100% right. Study it yourself! I just want to add that the kjv is also translated and although better then later translations, some words could be better.. Get a program or website where u can compare the context to other verses.. Then it gets really clear. 1 example is Pharmakeia, kjv just translated it to sorceries, but medical makes so much more sense.. From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft. whitewidow110 |
White Feather
User ID: 77079815 United States 08/23/2021 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | be wise my friends. these are and will be difficult times. prepare for the worst. as it happens, the divine forces have a merciful plan for this world. unfortunately for those "believers" your fairytales are not altogether true. even if they Were true, would it be wise to live in uncertain times without money, food, water, and other emergency necessities set aside, just in case. please my brothers and sisters, think about what you can do to prepare for these hard times that are upon us. Things Will get Worse, before they get Better, much better. stock up. considers the particulars of your personal situation. what can you do to be prepared for empty store shelves, permanent electrical blackouts, riotous cities, complete failure of municipal waterworks, storms, fires, earthquakes. this is not melodrama my mislead friends. I have good sources of info. |
White Feather
User ID: 77079815 United States 08/23/2021 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is not that these things will happen of an absolute surety. it is rather that there is prudence in preparation. these are not idle words my friends. the shit is truly about to hit the fan. it is quite possible that some of these things will Not happen to you personally, but look at what just happened in Kabul. all who live in an uncertain world at an uncertain moment in history should Be Prepared; mentally..., physically(like a prepper), and spiritually. part of this is simply being able to be calm in a crisis. if you truly are being a good person, if you truly have faith in a divinely perfect universe (and it is my friends despite your unfounded doubts) then you will be able to muster a level of calm that will be the envy of your peers. do try to calm the fears of your fellows. when the storm hits it is very hard to imagine that sunny skies will follow. good times such as this world has never yet known Will Follow. |
**Watcher**
User ID: 78547034 United States 08/23/2021 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyday, I am looking up for our Blessed Hope! Our Redemption surely draws near!!! "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9 "It will be good for those servants whose master finds them WATCHING when he comes..."Luke 12:37 <"}}}>< (me) ><{{{"> <"}}}>< |
Sol-Kathos
User ID: 80759883 Australia 08/23/2021 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Consider this: The Earth, Sun, all heavenly bodies are electric in Nature. They possess electrical fields, exhibit electrical behaviour. All these bodies are conscious, in the way that structured energy can respond to stimuli. Being large, complex, conscious entities, it is not out of the question that these entities can actively change their electrical properties. You also have this ability through various breathing exercises. If these entities had to purge themselves of an affliction, a method they could employ would be to alter the electrical properties of themselves, and by extension, the properties of smaller, connected electrical systems (you). They could then alter the electrical properties of people who are no longer acting in the interests of the planet to negatively respond to the electrical forces that produce the phenomenon known as gravity. The result of this would be all people who were no longer beneficial to the planet having their electrical charge reversed so they would literally float upwards, off the planet, resulting in death. What does that sound like to you..... Order is tyranny, chaos is freedom |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 08/23/2021 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is always Ragnarok for every civilization. At some point, somewhere, somebody is in the end. And when they are dead, like us all, including yourself, things will keep on forever as they always have. Quoting: Cnevermore I don't quite see what Norse mythology has to do with the Rapture. But your comment about things just continuing along sure has, even if you don't realize it. 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. The modern phrase 'normalcy bias's' aptly describes the mindset of most unbelievers. In India quite recently there was a large crowd of people spread out along a railway embankment one evening celebrating a false religious festival. Everyone was taken quite unawares when a speeding express train ploughed into them. Things can change in an instant. |