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I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also

 
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I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also
Maybe there is a pre trib rapture.

The bible speaks of 2 ressurections of the dead and blessed is he who takes part in the first resurrection for he shall have no part in the lake of fire which is the second death.

Jesus urges us to always pray that we may be counted worthy to escape the wrath of God.

Paul humbly says that on the last day at the last trump the dead in Christ will rise and includes himself saying and "we who remain" will be caught up and meet the Lord in the air.

When Jesus returns he is absolutely destroying not only the world but all of creation to make a new creation. The final judgment to destroy all evil along with his creation happens simultaneously on the last day which doesn't give room for a second resurrection after he destroys the world which contains all the souls.

I questioned my own post-trib rapture understanding which you can clearly see Paul does mention and wondered if the first resurrection and rapture happened on the last day, and the second resurrection happens after the world is destroyed, are those who are ressurected second NOT raptured? Don't they have to be received by the Lord and taken up to him also?

Jesus also said that where the bodies are there the eagles will gather, which means he forcefully snatches the souls out of their bodies who have his Holy Spirit and takes them up at the first resurrection as the scripture says they are not judged and immune from the judgment.

And it seems like it's just a sort of regular day when they are raptured.

Maybe Paul only mentioned the second resurrection and rapture being on the last day, those who made it through and remain.
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Re: I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also
takeheed blackcat For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

kitty WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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St. Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Re: I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also
Maybe there is a pre trib rapture.

The bible speaks of 2 ressurections of the dead and blessed is he who takes part in the first resurrection for he shall have no part in the lake of fire which is the second death.

Jesus urges us to always pray that we may be counted worthy to escape the wrath of God.

Paul humbly says that on the last day at the last trump the dead in Christ will rise and includes himself saying and "we who remain" will be caught up and meet the Lord in the air.

When Jesus returns he is absolutely destroying not only the world but all of creation to make a new creation. The final judgment to destroy all evil along with his creation happens simultaneously on the last day which doesn't give room for a second resurrection after he destroys the world which contains all the souls.

I questioned my own post-trib rapture understanding which you can clearly see Paul does mention and wondered if the first resurrection and rapture happened on the last day, and the second resurrection happens after the world is destroyed, are those who are ressurected second NOT raptured? Don't they have to be received by the Lord and taken up to him also?

Jesus also said that where the bodies are there the eagles will gather, which means he forcefully snatches the souls out of their bodies who have his Holy Spirit and takes them up at the first resurrection as the scripture says they are not judged and immune from the judgment.

And it seems like it's just a sort of regular day when they are raptured.

Maybe Paul only mentioned the second resurrection and rapture being on the last day, those who made it through and remain.
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Re: I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also
Maybe there is a pre trib rapture.

The bible speaks of 2 ressurections of the dead and blessed is he who takes part in the first resurrection for he shall have no part in the lake of fire which is the second death.

Jesus urges us to always pray that we may be counted worthy to escape the wrath of God.

Paul humbly says that on the last day at the last trump the dead in Christ will rise and includes himself saying and "we who remain" will be caught up and meet the Lord in the air.

When Jesus returns he is absolutely destroying not only the world but all of creation to make a new creation. The final judgment to destroy all evil along with his creation happens simultaneously on the last day which doesn't give room for a second resurrection after he destroys the world which contains all the souls.

I questioned my own post-trib rapture understanding which you can clearly see Paul does mention and wondered if the first resurrection and rapture happened on the last day, and the second resurrection happens after the world is destroyed, are those who are ressurected second NOT raptured? Don't they have to be received by the Lord and taken up to him also?

Jesus also said that where the bodies are there the eagles will gather, which means he forcefully snatches the souls out of their bodies who have his Holy Spirit and takes them up at the first resurrection as the scripture says they are not judged and immune from the judgment.

And it seems like it's just a sort of regular day when they are raptured.

Maybe Paul only mentioned the second resurrection and rapture being on the last day, those who made it through and remain.
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Many have found 3 raptures....pretrib.; 144,0000 of Israel, and any living post pretrib Christians still alive right before the bowl wrath of God.... No living Christians will go through the actual wrath of God which are the bowl judgements as clearly defined in scripture.
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Re: I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also
:takeheed: :blackcat: For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

kitty WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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Re: I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also
:takeheed: :blackcat: For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

kitty WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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Re: I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also
Maybe there is a pre trib rapture.

The bible speaks of 2 ressurections of the dead and blessed is he who takes part in the first resurrection for he shall have no part in the lake of fire which is the second death.

Jesus urges us to always pray that we may be counted worthy to escape the wrath of God.

Paul humbly says that on the last day at the last trump the dead in Christ will rise and includes himself saying and "we who remain" will be caught up and meet the Lord in the air.

When Jesus returns he is absolutely destroying not only the world but all of creation to make a new creation. The final judgment to destroy all evil along with his creation happens simultaneously on the last day which doesn't give room for a second resurrection after he destroys the world which contains all the souls.

I questioned my own post-trib rapture understanding which you can clearly see Paul does mention and wondered if the first resurrection and rapture happened on the last day, and the second resurrection happens after the world is destroyed, are those who are ressurected second NOT raptured? Don't they have to be received by the Lord and taken up to him also?

Jesus also said that where the bodies are there the eagles will gather, which means he forcefully snatches the souls out of their bodies who have his Holy Spirit and takes them up at the first resurrection as the scripture says they are not judged and immune from the judgment.

And it seems like it's just a sort of regular day when they are raptured.

Maybe Paul only mentioned the second resurrection and rapture being on the last day, those who made it through and remain.
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There is a rapture for the Church, the Bride of Christ, that is imminent. It can and will happen at any time. It will involve first a resurrection of the dead (into their immortal bodies), then the living will be 'translated' into their immortal bodies, and then a rapture to heaven of the newly resurrected and the translated living believers. Then when they are clear of the earth, the Tribulation comes, just like Lot from Sodom.

Then the Two Witnesses in the Tribulation will come and eventually will be murdered, lie dead for 3-1/2 days, and then they too will be resurrected and raptured to heaven.

And then at the Battle of Armageddon, Yahshua(Jesus) will return to earth with His saints (Church) and His angels, and I think also with the souls of the dead believers in Christ from the Tribulation time, most of whom will be martyrs (who were under the throne in heaven). I believe that then or soon after, those souls who returned with Yahshua will be resurrected into their immortal bodies as well.

Then the 1000 year Millennial reign of Christ happens. Those who survived the Tribulation get to 'inherit the earth' in their mortal bodies, which will last a long time, like it was before the Great Flood. And some (or most) of them will live to see the end of that age, the end of Christ's Millennium, which will then have another Satanic rebellion and another war at the end. Those who survive Christ's Millennium to the end will I believe also get translated into immortal bodies. And those who die during the Millennium and are believers will be resurrected and raptured then as well.

Why? Because the heavens and the earth will be burnt up at that time, and no mortals would be able to survive it. But no mortals are allowed in heaven in their mortal bodies, so I think at that time all surviving believers will be given immortal bodies.

Then the 2nd Resurrection happens, the resurrection of the damned. Those will be brought to the Great White Throne of Judgement. I think this will happen before the earth and heavens are burnt up. And they will be judged for all the evil deeds they did in life, and will be thrown into the Lake of Fire forever as justice for their unbelief and wicked ways.

Then the heavens and the earth will be burnt up, because they are tainted with sin and rebellion, so must be burnt away by fire. All those who are believers now already have immortal bodies, so they go to hang out in New Jerusalem (sorry Russ, your calendar will not be there) which comes out of heaven. And a new earth and a new heavens will be created. And New Jerusalem will be it's capital. Amen.

There are many stages to the 1st Resurrection, all of which pertain only to believers, to be taken up when their time is right.

And the 2nd Resurrection pertains only to unbelievers, who will be taken to judgment.

Those are the only two real distinctions between the two resurrections.
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Re: I believe in the post tribulation rapture but maybe there is a pre trib rapture also
Maybe there is a pre trib rapture.

The bible speaks of 2 ressurections of the dead and blessed is he who takes part in the first resurrection for he shall have no part in the lake of fire which is the second death.

Jesus urges us to always pray that we may be counted worthy to escape the wrath of God.

Paul humbly says that on the last day at the last trump the dead in Christ will rise and includes himself saying and "we who remain" will be caught up and meet the Lord in the air.

When Jesus returns he is absolutely destroying not only the world but all of creation to make a new creation. The final judgment to destroy all evil along with his creation happens simultaneously on the last day which doesn't give room for a second resurrection after he destroys the world which contains all the souls.

I questioned my own post-trib rapture understanding which you can clearly see Paul does mention and wondered if the first resurrection and rapture happened on the last day, and the second resurrection happens after the world is destroyed, are those who are ressurected second NOT raptured? Don't they have to be received by the Lord and taken up to him also?

Jesus also said that where the bodies are there the eagles will gather, which means he forcefully snatches the souls out of their bodies who have his Holy Spirit and takes them up at the first resurrection as the scripture says they are not judged and immune from the judgment.

And it seems like it's just a sort of regular day when they are raptured.

Maybe Paul only mentioned the second resurrection and rapture being on the last day, those who made it through and remain.
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The Harpazo/Rapture is part of the 1st resurrection.

First you are resurrected and then the Harpazo.


Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. <--- Here is the 1st resurrection.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. <-- Here is the rapture.


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