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AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 75067865  United States09/24/2020 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not long after booting for the first time, I noticed an app_server thread with a rather curious name: DMT is here for you, eventually (I attempted to upload a screenshot, but it was not approved :)  Someone programming this operating system is in the know... The funny part about this was that the thread also has "urgent display priority" as an added joke. Being no stranger to that chemical, myself, I had a huge grin when I saw that message on screen...   Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79318815 United States09/24/2020 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are apparently some Easter Eggs hidden in this OS, as I quickly realized. Quoting: AkashicRecord® Not long after booting for the first time, I noticed an app_server thread with a rather curious name: DMT is here for you, eventually (I attempted to upload a screenshot, but it was not approved :) :eraser: Someone programming this operating system is in the know... The funny part about this was that the thread also has "urgent display priority" as an added joke. Being no stranger to that chemical, myself, I had a huge grin when I saw that message on screen... :DMT: I love and miss easter eggs hidden in software.  |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 79385721 United States09/25/2020 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I definitely have to make some sort of screencast for this OS. :) I've been beating it to fucking hell and back, and it just keeps taking more! Having a decent version of QT and a lot of excellent KDE apps available really makes this OS many orders of magnitude more usable than the previous release (which was some years ago.) Unfortunately, most who have previously tried Haiku will have no doubt experienced that version.. HAIKU PRETTY MUCH FUCKING ROCKS NOW Free PC O/S? I found one the other day; It's name is Haiku. I haven't had any real "fun" with an operating system in at least 20 years, and I really didn't expect it to be this one. Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79413603  Singapore09/25/2020 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what's up with this Haiku... is it in the fact the old BeOS ressuscitated and given an upgrade? For the most part, yes. The 32-bit release supports legacy BeOS R5 code (but uses an old GCC2 compiler.) The 64-bit release uses a newer compiler platform at the expense of losing the backward compatibility. The was I feel about that is basically:  Not many need the legacy support. Let the old code die, because now we have something shaping up to be substantial. (There are also PowerPC, Sparc, and ARM targets, so it isn't just Intel.) There wasn't a major release of the OS in years until they dropped the recent Beta(s) and started doing nightly builds again. Someone's been busy.. Sounds good. So what are you losing if you use the 64-bit version? The ability to play old games, use old browsers, that sort of stuff? Might there be anything important there? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79413603 Singapore09/25/2020 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | VIDEO DRIVERS Quoting: AkashicRecord® ...that is the primary issue (for now) if you are trying out Haiku. I kind of wish the Dev team would just use their fail-safe VESA video driver on first boot (at least) and then give the user an option to keep it that way, or probe / test the display for a suitable driver (if any) and continue from there. Right now you'll probably need to hold Shift and go into the boot options and select the fail-safe video driver. After install, you have to uncomment a specific configuration line in a startup settings file to keep this enabled, and this is not good for a "dumb" user or newbie.. This whole issue could be rectified a lot better in many ways. It's all (mostly) documented on their web page, which is excellent by the way, so make sure you at least have a passing glance at the installation guide, because it also has a lot of troubleshooting info. That's some funny shit... video drivers were needed to play a game, or use software drivers to see what was was on screen, differentiated by sight. Yeah, the installation and running on "newish" hardware can be a pain. That's why I wish the VESA driver was default. It works pretty damn good for the time being. But, this is a beta, and targeting new hardware is obviously difficult...i mean hell, these guys only have about a $10K yearly goal for donations... I wouldn't peg Haiku as a gaming OS by any means, but there is a lot there lurking in the shadows. For retro gaming, it is actually quite complete. You can essentially play any classsic console, arcade, or DOS game if you like. :fuckyeah: But can it play most of today's games wihout too much trouble? On a laptop, say, of a decade ago? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79413603 Singapore09/25/2020 01:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, I timed the Haiku boot sequence on this junker machine and it took about 30 seconds in total. An additional 10 seconds or so for power on self tests and BIOS messages, etc., so that's not too bad... (And I have a lot of shit already installed on this thing.) Quoting: AkashicRecord® I tried timing the shutdown time from pressing the Power button, but it was too fast I couldn't actually clock the fucking thing. (It took less than one second.) If you compare it with Windows, this is nothing less than spectacular. |
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| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 74010598 United States09/25/2020 01:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait a moment... what did I say? If I shut down Windows by pressing the power button, in fact it's very much like what you are saying for Haiku. Maybe not exactly as fast, but close. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79413603 That might be a sleep mode though. And I wasn't holding down the button, just pressing it as fast as I could and still try to start / stop a stopwatch timer. Mine was a full shutdown to power off. Cache flushing, app closing(s), everything. It might take more than a second at times, but it is still pretty insane to see. I guess an operating system should always be this way. Last Edited by AkashicRecord® on 09/25/2020 01:44 AM Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 74010598 United States09/25/2020 01:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | VIDEO DRIVERS Quoting: AkashicRecord® ...that is the primary issue (for now) if you are trying out Haiku. I kind of wish the Dev team would just use their fail-safe VESA video driver on first boot (at least) and then give the user an option to keep it that way, or probe / test the display for a suitable driver (if any) and continue from there. Right now you'll probably need to hold Shift and go into the boot options and select the fail-safe video driver. After install, you have to uncomment a specific configuration line in a startup settings file to keep this enabled, and this is not good for a "dumb" user or newbie.. This whole issue could be rectified a lot better in many ways. It's all (mostly) documented on their web page, which is excellent by the way, so make sure you at least have a passing glance at the installation guide, because it also has a lot of troubleshooting info. That's some funny shit... video drivers were needed to play a game, or use software drivers to see what was was on screen, differentiated by sight. Yeah, the installation and running on "newish" hardware can be a pain. That's why I wish the VESA driver was default. It works pretty damn good for the time being. But, this is a beta, and targeting new hardware is obviously difficult...i mean hell, these guys only have about a $10K yearly goal for donations... I wouldn't peg Haiku as a gaming OS by any means, but there is a lot there lurking in the shadows. For retro gaming, it is actually quite complete. You can essentially play any classsic console, arcade, or DOS game if you like.  But can it play most of today's games wihout too much trouble? On a laptop, say, of a decade ago? A decades-old laptop, probably even better. ..Not Windows games of course, but anything else is probably golden. (People are still banging this around on old IBM ThinkPads...) Last Edited by AkashicRecord® on 09/25/2020 01:47 AM Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
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(OP) User ID: 79385721 United States09/25/2020 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79416747 Singapore09/25/2020 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But can it play most of today's games wihout too much trouble? On a laptop, say, of a decade ago? A decades-old laptop, probably even better. ..Not Windows games of course, but anything else is probably golden. (People are still banging this around on old IBM ThinkPads...) Sounds like Windows games would actually play very well using Wine. But we may have lost the exact context of my questions. I was in fact more specifically thinking of the 64-bit version. |
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(OP) User ID: 76250672 United States09/25/2020 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yn Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79416747 But can it play most of today's games wihout too much trouble? On a laptop, say, of a decade ago? A decades-old laptop, probably even better. ..Not Windows games of course, but anything else is probably golden. (People are still banging this around on old IBM ThinkPads...) Sounds like Windows games would actually play very well using Wine. But we may have lost the exact context of my questions. I was in fact more specifically thinking of the 64-bit version. Yeah I got a little sidetracked. WINE has come up over the years and I think the general consensus is that it would be maddeningly difficult to port, and would come with a lot of baggage. Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
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| AkashicRecord®
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78666399 United States09/25/2020 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IsComputerOn() IsComputerOnFire() Actual OS function calls. But, yeah. Sony, Microsoft, likely Apple, actively worked to kill Be, Inc. Just like the Amiga. It goes a lot deeper, of course. JLG humiliated BG on Computer Chronicles Quiz Bowl. EVERYONE laughed at Gates, not in a good way. M$ even used BeIA's 'Stinger' code name for their early phone attempt. We could be living in a much different world right now. Fetishists should watch the fictional 'Halt and Catch Fire'. Pirate it if you hate Netflix. Another realm of complete bad-assery is Newtek. Never went public, but had their Video Toaster in pretty much every cable company studio in the country. |
| Lowkey Cyberpunk
User ID: 77651099 United States09/25/2020 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is Haiku's support of USB sound devices like? It would be fun to try and compile some ham radio utils if that's not a problem. "Yes, yes. Zathras is used to being beast of burden to other people's needs. Very sad life. Probably have very sad death. But, at least there is symmetry." |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 76250672 United States09/25/2020 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But can it play most of today's games wihout too much trouble? On a laptop, say, of a decade ago? A decades-old laptop, probably even better. ..Not Windows games of course, but anything else is probably golden. (People are still banging this around on old IBM ThinkPads...) Sounds like Windows games would actually play very well using Wine. But we may have lost the exact context of my questions. I was in fact more specifically thinking of the 64-bit version. Here was an old thread on Haiku dev about porting WINE: [link to discuss.haiku-os.org (secure)] Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 76250672 United States09/25/2020 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is Haiku's support of USB sound devices like? It would be fun to try and compile some ham radio utils if that's not a problem. Quoting: Lowkey Cyberpunk This is something that I'm currently looking at. My old Line 6 Toneport UX2 didn't seem to be recognized, but I didn't spend much time investigating it. I haven't tested my Zoom H2 recorder via USB yet. There were issues with USB3 in Haiku but there has been a lot of work on that. I think there are ham radio apps in the Haiku Depot. edit: yep, there's a ham radio backend control rig named "hamlib" that is already there. Last Edited by AkashicRecord® on 09/25/2020 11:53 AM Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78143666 09/25/2020 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow. That's the actual OS Gates took and turned into MS-DOS. Gates took PC DOS or that old IBM DOS which was discontinued at the time so the world must shut up about Gates who developed it when they stopped putting efforts in. |
| Lowkey Cyberpunk
User ID: 77651099 United States09/25/2020 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is Haiku's support of USB sound devices like? It would be fun to try and compile some ham radio utils if that's not a problem. Quoting: Lowkey Cyberpunk This is something that I'm currently looking at. My old Line 6 Toneport UX2 didn't seem to be recognized, but I didn't spend much time investigating it. I haven't tested my Zoom H2 recorder via USB yet. There were issues with USB3 in Haiku but there has been a lot of work on that. I think there are ham radio apps in the Haiku Depot. edit: yep, there's a ham radio backend control rig named "hamlib" that is already there. I actually used Haiku as a primary OS on hardware for a while. Not against using it again. Maybe this weekend I'll give it another shot. Glad to hear that hamlib is ported, most utils use that as a start. Would like to see Haiku as the prepper distro. "Yes, yes. Zathras is used to being beast of burden to other people's needs. Very sad life. Probably have very sad death. But, at least there is symmetry." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76711258 United States09/25/2020 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i remember playing several audio files at once, a task windows at that time was unable to accomplish Quoting: Dalek Uno 79410154  Were you still shitting in diapers when Windows Me (and Windows 2000) were on the horizon? Or were you programming in assembly language for multiple platforms in the military (like I was?)  You sound like a kid... I am an old IBM 360 assembler programmer.... COBOL, RPG.. moved into rhe micro computer realm in the mid-80s and never looked back. When I started... I used punch cards. Even after I moved up to a terminal I still had to maintain my old code that was on cards up to the day I left. Actually, the day I handed in my resignation they took my terminal away and handed me several change orders, all on punch cards, because I was the last guy there who could do it. I was 22 and had been there almost four years. There being working for the state of Kansas. ;-) If the world had aligned with the programming language APL back in the 60's we would be colonizing a million star systems in Andromeda by now. Such is the power of a good programming language. |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 78960246 United States09/25/2020 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i remember playing several audio files at once, a task windows at that time was unable to accomplish Quoting: Dalek Uno 79410154 Were you still shitting in diapers when Windows Me (and Windows 2000) were on the horizon? Or were you programming in assembly language for multiple platforms in the military (like I was?) You sound like a kid... I am an old IBM 360 assembler programmer.... COBOL, RPG.. moved into rhe micro computer realm in the mid-80s and never looked back. When I started... I used punch cards. Even after I moved up to a terminal I still had to maintain my old code that was on cards up to the day I left. Actually, the day I handed in my resignation they took my terminal away and handed me several change orders, all on punch cards, because I was the last guy there who could do it. I was 22 and had been there almost four years. There being working for the state of Kansas. ;-) If the world had aligned with the programming language APL back in the 60's we would be colonizing a million star systems in Andromeda by now. Such is the power of a good programming language. Oh lord, that language is so crazy that you need an entirely different keyboard to code in it! Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 78088062 United States09/25/2020 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is Haiku's support of USB sound devices like? It would be fun to try and compile some ham radio utils if that's not a problem. Quoting: Lowkey Cyberpunk This is something that I'm currently looking at. My old Line 6 Toneport UX2 didn't seem to be recognized, but I didn't spend much time investigating it. I haven't tested my Zoom H2 recorder via USB yet. There were issues with USB3 in Haiku but there has been a lot of work on that. I think there are ham radio apps in the Haiku Depot. edit: yep, there's a ham radio backend control rig named "hamlib" that is already there. I actually used Haiku as a primary OS on hardware for a while. Not against using it again. Maybe this weekend I'll give it another shot. Glad to hear that hamlib is ported, most utils use that as a start. Would like to see Haiku as the prepper distro.  The Prepper's OS, leveraging the power and security of the Uncle Intel x86 platform!  Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79368619 United States09/25/2020 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i remember playing several audio files at once, a task windows at that time was unable to accomplish Quoting: Dalek Uno 79410154 Were you still shitting in diapers when Windows Me (and Windows 2000) were on the horizon? Or were you programming in assembly language for multiple platforms in the military (like I was?) You sound like a kid... I am an old IBM 360 assembler programmer.... COBOL, RPG.. moved into rhe micro computer realm in the mid-80s and never looked back. When I started... I used punch cards. Even after I moved up to a terminal I still had to maintain my old code that was on cards up to the day I left. Actually, the day I handed in my resignation they took my terminal away and handed me several change orders, all on punch cards, because I was the last guy there who could do it. I was 22 and had been there almost four years. There being working for the state of Kansas. ;-) They have recently upgraded to clay tablets. |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 76292346 United States09/25/2020 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is Haiku's support of USB sound devices like? It would be fun to try and compile some ham radio utils if that's not a problem. Quoting: Lowkey Cyberpunk This is something that I'm currently looking at. My old Line 6 Toneport UX2 didn't seem to be recognized, but I didn't spend much time investigating it. I haven't tested my Zoom H2 recorder via USB yet. There were issues with USB3 in Haiku but there has been a lot of work on that. I think there are ham radio apps in the Haiku Depot. edit: yep, there's a ham radio backend control rig named "hamlib" that is already there. I actually used Haiku as a primary OS on hardware for a while. Not against using it again. Maybe this weekend I'll give it another shot. Glad to hear that hamlib is ported, most utils use that as a start. Would like to see Haiku as the prepper distro. I think that's awesome that you used it for a while. I think you'll appreciate some of the newer changes in there. Post your thoughts if you get it up and running again. Most people will have the easiest time running it virtual, but you seem to know your chops :) They need to iron out the install process a bit, as it's a little too...manual...at this point seeing as that you need to create an appropriate partition (like GPT) and then a BFS file system, and then format it and you can finally install. I feel a few of those steps could be simplified a bit for newbies...or at least offer "simple" and "advanced" install modes...something like that. At least the installation only takes a few seconds...literally. I guess they play it safe that way so that people don't accidentally nuke their old OS by accident. Last Edited by AkashicRecord® on 09/25/2020 08:51 PM Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
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(OP) User ID: 72904846 United States09/26/2020 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, I had a wild hair on my ass and thought that since YouTube had some issues, surely other sites would share the same fate.. Q: What do A: Naked women! Needless to say that I was surprised that one of the most popular "adult" sites out there actually fared better than YouTube in terms of browser compatibility.  (I'll leave the rest up as an exercise to the reader.)  Last Edited by AkashicRecord® on 09/26/2020 04:06 AM Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
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(OP) User ID: 78464582 United States09/27/2020 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In other OS news of late, it seems that the source code for Windows XP was leaked onto 4chan... [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Last Edited by AkashicRecord® on 09/27/2020 10:23 AM Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79318815 United States09/27/2020 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In other OS news of late, it seems that the source code for Windows XP was leaked onto 4chan... Quoting: AkashicRecord® [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Pity the fools who download and attempt to use it. |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 78464582 United States09/27/2020 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In other OS news of late, it seems that the source code for Windows XP was leaked onto 4chan... Quoting: AkashicRecord® [link to www.tomshardware.com (secure)] Pity the fools who download and attempt to use it.  Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
| AkashicRecord®
(OP) User ID: 79385721 United States10/03/2020 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, there was a recent update to the Otter web browser for Haiku, and the WebKit as well, I think, and damn was it a serious update. It now handles YouTube (plus HD and fullscreening) much better than anything else. Actually, I think it might be the only browser now that can do it. Seeking / scrubbing and the popup controls all work, which was a problem with the default (NetPositive) browser. There's even a built-in YouTube video downloader. This is HUGE! Last Edited by AkashicRecord® on 10/03/2020 11:11 AM Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
