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Anyone remember the "Be" Operating System (BeOS) ??

 
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i remember playing several audio files at once, a task windows at that time was unable to accomplish
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Yup. I remember that exact same thing. True multi-tasking!
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We have Threadripper and Intel Xeon Phi now!
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A multi core processor would be pretty useless if the OS didn't have preemptive multitasking.
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i remember playing several audio files at once, a task windows at that time was unable to accomplish
epiclol-8bit

FIXED FOR YOU
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Yup. I remember that exact same thing. True multi-tasking!
 Quoting: wessonoil


We have Threadripper and Intel Xeon Phi now!
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A multi core processor would be pretty useless if the OS didn't have preemptive multitasking.
 Quoting: wessonoil


This is where they were ahead of the game.

Linux was struggling to go modular in the kernel, GNU pthreads was just emerging, and BSD was experiencing GIANT kernel spinlock Hell...

Microsoft was just developing DirectX (and stifling competition) and still reveling over their included Weezer video with Windows 95...

lmao


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edit: HO LEE FUKK. It mentions Kenosha, Wisconsin!

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i remember playing several audio files at once, a task windows at that time was unable to accomplish
epiclol
 Quoting: Dalek Uno 79410154


Yup. I remember that exact same thing. True multi-tasking!
 Quoting: wessonoil


We have Threadripper and Intel Xeon Phi now!
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A multi core processor would be pretty useless if the OS didn't have preemptive multitasking.
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That's why I went the Amiga route over Apple initially, as it was one of the first preemptive multitasking computer with OS out of box.hf
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^^^

I really loved the Amiga and often drooled over it in stores.

A friend had one and we had the brave idea to connect my NES to the composite input of his Amiga computer's monitor (despite strict parental warning not to do so...)

Voila!

Super Mario Bros. never looked so good!!

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this thread made me miss netscape
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I actually had a BeBox.
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I actually had a BeBox.
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Do tell!!!

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I always dreamed of having one back then...

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At the time I wanted one of those dual-core BeBox'es with the processor utilization graph LED's on the front of the case.

It was really the state of the art for desktops back then.

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^^^

I really loved the Amiga and often drooled over it in stores.

A friend had one and we had the brave idea to connect my NES to the composite input of his Amiga computer's monitor (despite strict parental warning not to do so...)

Voila!

Super Mario Bros. never looked so good!!

:supermario:
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HAHA, a coworker brought his new Apple II to work and set it up to show off, cause we were using monochrome PCs, then another coworker brought in an Amiga1000 to show him up. After playing with the two for a week or so, three of us went out and bought Amiga 2000s as soon as they were released. Had mine for close to 30 years before it died completely. I super upgraded that thing. Bought the first retail 1GB SCISI HDD in Sunnyvale CA after store owner got the first. Tried to buy his but he got me one and held it for me instead. Was close to $900.00 but that thing flew. Also upgraded to 68030 and added a video toaster in the later years. hf
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It was cool but there’s a reason these things were binned.
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I happened upon the last minute estate sale of one of the Macintosh consultants/repair people in the area. Back in the day he must have made a ton of money servicing graphics/printing clients.

Literally the entire house and garage was full of old Mac's, from the beginning to the early 2000's. I guess he had cleaned out his office when he retired and moved it all to his residence. Must have been around 100 that I could see, and who knows how many more were buried. It's too bad, a lot of stuff was completely turned into trash from sitting in the Florida heat in his garage for almost 2 decades.

I got a Quadra 700 and 950 working, the ones that don't have leaking capacitor issues because they used tantalums instead of surface mount electrolytics. I couldn't believe how slow they seemed now, even though I used these class of machines back then and they were fast! How did I ever browse the internet on a Mac IIsi? lol.

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i think i still got the beos install cd.
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I think I have OS/2 install disks somewhere!
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Have OS/2 disks also. True multitasking when Win 95 came out.

Like WordPerfect and Lotus, and Stacker, Gates just stole other people's ideas.
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I was the second to last hardware eng at BE. I also did the SCSI drivers and developed internal debugging tools.

BeOS was a totally new thing at the time and had the best threading subsystem, We had 8 core systems running when no one else had more than two. and the OS scaled near linearly with added cores.

It mostly failed because it was a new design. To get the benefits of the lightweight threading you had to rewrite code from scratch, simple porting was not effective.This meant no existing programs showed any gain on Beos. Code written for it was amazing, full res uncompressed video editing, 3D sound mixing, multiplayer gaming. Way before anyone else had any of this.

The real killer was when Jobs came back to Apple and brought the Next OS from Next. This became OSX and Be no longer had anywhere to go with their product. Next and OSX are UNIX at the core, so porting code was possible.

and the rest is history.
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I actually had a BeBox.
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Do tell!!!

goon

I always dreamed of having one back then...
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I got mine in the early 2000's. At the time I was messing with tons of different operating systems, and came across BeOS. I think it was the R5 release that was floating around the net at the time.

I was helping a co-worker move some stuff from her parents garage, and I see this crazy looking computer tower just half covered collecting dust. Sure enough, it was a Bebox.

I asked her about it, and she said it must belong to her brother. I then asked her if she thought he would be willing to sell it to me.

A couple weeks went by, and she called me to say she spoke to her brother about it. She said he laughed and was surprised I knew what it was, and I was welcome to go get it if I wanted it, no charge.

So I get the machine home.. I really didn't think it would power on. Even with its age at the time, the machine was very fast and responsive for what it could do. But honestly, by the time it was in my hands it had already become "just something to have".

I ended up giving it to someone at a LUG, because I was traveling a lot for work at the time and just liquidated everything that I didn't need.
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I remember hearing about it, that's all. I've never wanted to use Apple products after the stunt they pulled shutting down the little Atari 520ST computer, i.e. I don't like the idea of supporting gangsterism.
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BEos was killed behind the scenes by microsoft evil.

It could natively run win binaries. MS said that had to go.
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i think i still got the beos install cd.
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I think I have OS/2 install disks somewhere!
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Have OS/2 disks also. True multitasking when Win 95 came out.

Like WordPerfect and Lotus, and Stacker, Gates just stole other people's ideas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78883105

Actually the first basic gates wrote was AmigaBasic. He also bought the rights to the Amiga after commodore went bankrupt, and took their plug &play capability and added them to his Microsoft drivers, which eventually was added to USB PnP capabilities. hf
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You'll have to rewind a couple decades (if you were even born yet) to appreciate this tech demo of the BeOS on ..almost.. cutting-edge hardware of the time.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]


Having two processors on-the-cheap back then was not something easily attainable. There was a slotted Pentium II riser card that could be soldered/jumped to "restore" hidden symmetric multi-processor functionality which was deliberately sabotaged by Intel (for cost) on consumer-grade chips. I used to run dual 333MHz [overclocked] processors back when everyone else only had a single 166-233 MHz proc... BeOS would have been a godsend on that setup...
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i still have a couple of pentium 2's 333 and 350 mhs here had a supermicro dual slot board at one point worked on rambus memory.

i 've also got a first edition p90 gold plated that i've owned since new
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I have almost a shoebox full of AMD 586 and Intel 486 processors. I need a few more and then I can use them as wall tiles behind my stove.
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I was the second to last hardware eng at BE. I also did the SCSI drivers and developed internal debugging tools.

BeOS was a totally new thing at the time and had the best threading subsystem, We had 8 core systems running when no one else had more than two. and the OS scaled near linearly with added cores.

It mostly failed because it was a new design. To get the benefits of the lightweight threading you had to rewrite code from scratch, simple porting was not effective.This meant no existing programs showed any gain on Beos. Code written for it was amazing, full res uncompressed video editing, 3D sound mixing, multiplayer gaming. Way before anyone else had any of this.

The real killer was when Jobs came back to Apple and brought the Next OS from Next. This became OSX and Be no longer had anywhere to go with their product. Next and OSX are UNIX at the core, so porting code was possible.

and the rest is history.
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WOW.

Thanks for responding. Never expected a former Be employee or developer to chime in on this 'thread.'

hf

Surely you are one of the few that can truly appreciate what Be had accomplished back in those days.

It stymies me to think of what the MacOS (and multimedia desktop computing) could have become if things went in a different direction...
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I had an one speed read only CD player in my
Intel 80386DX 16 MHz processor with a gray ceramic heat spreader.


radio shack had one on sale for 899.00...1990



During the 1990s, CD-ROMs were popularly used to distribute software and data for computers and fifth generation video game consoles. Some CDs, called enhanced CDs, hold both computer data and audio with the latter capable of being played on a CD player, while data (such as software or digital video) is only usable on a computer (such as ISO 9660[1] format PC CD-ROMs).
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I have a funny story about thermal paste and CPUs.. chuckle

I was upgrading from one processor to another and needed to separate the processor and clean it up for a new installation, so to speak...

The thing finally came loose with so much force that the CPU flew out of my hand like a ninja shuriken and firmly embedded itself in the wall!

It was in there a good half-length of the entire package. I pried it from the drywall and spent the next god-knows-how-many long early A.M. hours with tweezers trying to bend at least half of all CPU pins back into a reasonable fashion. Once it managed to fit back in to the socket, everything seemed kosher and I sold it for $100!

ROFL
lmao

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This was back around the time of the late '90s as desktop computers were rarely exceeding 200MHz and multiple processors were mostly only found in servers (unless you had $1200 to spend on a single processor!) Multiple-core architectures were still a somewhat distant wet dream for engineers; yet one company stepped up to the plate to realize the coming times.. But this market was not hardware nor was it really "software."


Apple was in the market to find something to replace the ailing Classic MacOS; looking for something fresh going forward into the new decade (post Y2K madness) and Microsoft was literally scared shitless of this operating system and its possible potential. (This is obviously where the real conspiracy begins in this tale...)


Linux was finally no longer a college project / assignment and was starting to gain rapid traction as a server OS, yet with hopes and dreams of delivering an end-user desktop experience devoid of the "standard" and accepted (read: expected) litany of commercial licensing and closed-source nonsense that was ever so present and forced down consumers' throats; much to the chagrin of us all...


It was here that Be realized the need, the market, and the value of a true "media" operating system, literally as the internet itself was unfolding...and in rapid succession at that. This need for a capable operating system was also met with a strict requirement for performance, elegance, and stability among all other things...


:truestory:

:geek:
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Cool story gramps
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This was back around the time of the late '90s as desktop computers were rarely exceeding 200MHz and multiple processors were mostly only found in servers (unless you had $1200 to spend on a single processor!) Multiple-core architectures were still a somewhat distant wet dream for engineers; yet one company stepped up to the plate to realize the coming times.. But this market was not hardware nor was it really "software."


Apple was in the market to find something to replace the ailing Classic MacOS; looking for something fresh going forward into the new decade (post Y2K madness) and Microsoft was literally scared shitless of this operating system and its possible potential. (This is obviously where the real conspiracy begins in this tale...)


Linux was finally no longer a college project / assignment and was starting to gain rapid traction as a server OS, yet with hopes and dreams of delivering an end-user desktop experience devoid of the "standard" and accepted (read: expected) litany of commercial licensing and closed-source nonsense that was ever so present and forced down consumers' throats; much to the chagrin of us all...


It was here that Be realized the need, the market, and the value of a true "media" operating system, literally as the internet itself was unfolding...and in rapid succession at that. This need for a capable operating system was also met with a strict requirement for performance, elegance, and stability among all other things...


truestory

geek
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Cool story gramps
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This was back around the time of the late '90s as desktop computers were rarely exceeding 200MHz and multiple processors were mostly only found in servers (unless you had $1200 to spend on a single processor!) Multiple-core architectures were still a somewhat distant wet dream for engineers; yet one company stepped up to the plate to realize the coming times.. But this market was not hardware nor was it really "software."


Apple was in the market to find something to replace the ailing Classic MacOS; looking for something fresh going forward into the new decade (post Y2K madness) and Microsoft was literally scared shitless of this operating system and its possible potential. (This is obviously where the real conspiracy begins in this tale...)


Linux was finally no longer a college project / assignment and was starting to gain rapid traction as a server OS, yet with hopes and dreams of delivering an end-user desktop experience devoid of the "standard" and accepted (read: expected) litany of commercial licensing and closed-source nonsense that was ever so present and forced down consumers' throats; much to the chagrin of us all...


It was here that Be realized the need, the market, and the value of a true "media" operating system, literally as the internet itself was unfolding...and in rapid succession at that. This need for a capable operating system was also met with a strict requirement for performance, elegance, and stability among all other things...


:truestory:

:geek:
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I remember the Beyonce system. That was a pretty good system.

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Ah, yes, Jean-Louis...
You have to understand how operating systems are made (from the perspective of industrial management). Apple had spent hundreds of millions of dollars on several failed projects.

Programmers cost a company about a hundred bucks per hour. An OS takes over 100,000 man-hours of work - each and every time you spin a new version of one.

While BeOS was nice, and had some nice features, BeOS was no different.
But NeXTStep was.

NeXT was based on unix. It *didn't* need to be rewritten each time. You only had to rewrite small parts of it - say about 5,000 man-hours of work.

Viola! You save 95% of your effort. Now you can fire programmers (to cut costs)
OR you use those programmers to write new modules to expand your OS universe.

For new products.... like a music player, or a phone, or watches.

Apple alone has this nimbleness. That's how they have become this behemoth.
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This was back around the time of the late '90s as desktop computers were rarely exceeding 200MHz and multiple processors were mostly only found in servers (unless you had $1200 to spend on a single processor!) Multiple-core architectures were still a somewhat distant wet dream for engineers; yet one company stepped up to the plate to realize the coming times.. But this market was not hardware nor was it really "software."


Apple was in the market to find something to replace the ailing Classic MacOS; looking for something fresh going forward into the new decade (post Y2K madness) and Microsoft was literally scared shitless of this operating system and its possible potential. (This is obviously where the real conspiracy begins in this tale...)


Linux was finally no longer a college project / assignment and was starting to gain rapid traction as a server OS, yet with hopes and dreams of delivering an end-user desktop experience devoid of the "standard" and accepted (read: expected) litany of commercial licensing and closed-source nonsense that was ever so present and forced down consumers' throats; much to the chagrin of us all...


It was here that Be realized the need, the market, and the value of a true "media" operating system, literally as the internet itself was unfolding...and in rapid succession at that. This need for a capable operating system was also met with a strict requirement for performance, elegance, and stability among all other things...


truestory

geek
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Cool story gramps
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Hey, when I was a kid we had to walk 15 miles per megabyte!

muttley
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It was cool but there’s a reason these things were binned.
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I happened upon the last minute estate sale of one of the Macintosh consultants/repair people in the area. Back in the day he must have made a ton of money servicing graphics/printing clients.

Literally the entire house and garage was full of old Mac's, from the beginning to the early 2000's. I guess he had cleaned out his office when he retired and moved it all to his residence. Must have been around 100 that I could see, and who knows how many more were buried. It's too bad, a lot of stuff was completely turned into trash from sitting in the Florida heat in his garage for almost 2 decades.

I got a Quadra 700 and 950 working, the ones that don't have leaking capacitor issues because they used tantalums instead of surface mount electrolytics. I couldn't believe how slow they seemed now, even though I used these class of machines back then and they were fast! How did I ever browse the internet on a Mac IIsi? lol.
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I built SI's. They pre-dated the internet. I set up Apple's first (unofficial) website on one.
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Ah, yes, Jean-Louis...
You have to understand how operating systems are made (from the perspective of industrial management). Apple had spent hundreds of millions of dollars on several failed projects.

Programmers cost a company about a hundred bucks per hour. An OS takes over 100,000 man-hours of work - each and every time you spin a new version of one.

While BeOS was nice, and had some nice features, BeOS was no different.
But NeXTStep was.

NeXT was based on unix. It *didn't* need to be rewritten each time. You only had to rewrite small parts of it - say about 5,000 man-hours of work.

Viola! You save 95% of your effort. Now you can fire programmers (to cut costs)
OR you use those programmers to write new modules to expand your OS universe.

For new products.... like a music player, or a phone, or watches.

Apple alone has this nimbleness. That's how they have become this behemoth.
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I don't doubt any of that one bit.

NeXT was also instrumental in the development of the web. The first HTTP server (at CERN) was from Tim Berners-Lee on a NeXT workstation / server...

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BeOS was a candidate to replace the Apple System OS.

After Steve Jobs came back, he went with a linux approach as it was what he had with his previous company NeXT.
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This was back around the time of the late '90s as desktop computers were rarely exceeding 200MHz and multiple processors were mostly only found in servers (unless you had $1200 to spend on a single processor!) Multiple-core architectures were still a somewhat distant wet dream for engineers; yet one company stepped up to the plate to realize the coming times.. But this market was not hardware nor was it really "software."


Apple was in the market to find something to replace the ailing Classic MacOS; looking for something fresh going forward into the new decade (post Y2K madness) and Microsoft was literally scared shitless of this operating system and its possible potential. (This is obviously where the real conspiracy begins in this tale...)


Linux was finally no longer a college project / assignment and was starting to gain rapid traction as a server OS, yet with hopes and dreams of delivering an end-user desktop experience devoid of the "standard" and accepted (read: expected) litany of commercial licensing and closed-source nonsense that was ever so present and forced down consumers' throats; much to the chagrin of us all...


It was here that Be realized the need, the market, and the value of a true "media" operating system, literally as the internet itself was unfolding...and in rapid succession at that. This need for a capable operating system was also met with a strict requirement for performance, elegance, and stability among all other things...


truestory

geek
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Cool story gramps
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79410133


Hey, when I was a kid we had to walk 15 miles per megabyte!

muttley
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I remember my first 1gb drive. I'm like.. no way I'll ever use that much drive space.

I remember my first 1 mbps broadband connection. I'm like... No way I'll ever use that much bandwidth..

*Sigh
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very clean OS reminded me of the GEOS for PC from the early 90s, not to be confused with GEOS for commodore 64, although it was technically the same company. Berkley Softworks.
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The good ol days!






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