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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73025837 United States 06/04/2020 03:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s what could happen with the George Floyd case going forward. Chauvin has been charged with 2nd Degree Murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. In light of the revelation that Floyd was high on drugs, was in possession of what appeared to be drugs, and had a rap sheet that included armed robbery and holding a gun to a pregnant woman during a robbery, the state is not going to successfully prosecute Chauvin for 2nd degree murder. Quoting: The Ghost of Comedian Chauvin was using a maneuver that is taught by many police departments and was allowed in Minneapolis at the time of Floyd’s death. It has been proven that Floyd had drugs in his system. It's a material fact and will be used to paint Floyd as a dangerous person who was resisting arrest and who posed a potential risk to both himself and the officers, thereby justifying a normally dangerous maneuver that was, however, allowed at the time of Floyd's death in such cases. The official coroner said that Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation; however, an independent coroner hired by Floyd’s family says he did. What is not widely known but I believe will become important at trial is that the coroner hired by the family is Dr. Michael Baden, the same independent coroner who concluded that Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself. The state will attempt to use this fact to discredit him as an incompetent coroner driven by greed, desiring to give the families who hired him the answers for which they were paying – a medical mercenary if you will. Another thing to consider – and this is very important – is that according to USLegal.com, culpable negligence, which is required for 2nd degree manslaughter in Minnesota, requires someone who is “recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences).” You can already see where the defense will probably go with this. They will claim Floyd was flailing around, high on drugs and resisting arrest, which will probably show up on the body cam footage we haven’t seen yet. They will say that the maneuver was allowed by the city and under the circumstances was justified in order to prevent injury to an out-of-control drug addict as well as the police officers. They will say that drugs can make a person have super human strength, which is true, and that the officers had no idea how violent he would get. They will say he was behaving erratically, resisting arrest, that they weren’t sure how high he was but didn’t want to take any chances. Everything I’ve discussed will be used to justify three cops kneeling on him to calm him down, and they will also argue that this maneuver – the neck-hold with the knee – is not normally deadly, but that in the case of Floyd there were unforeseen and unknown health and substance abuse issues that caused a heart attack and his death. Despite the conflicting autopsy, the official autopsy will be enough to create a reasonable doubt about the cause of death. That is the standard. The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack. Here is a link to the Minnesota Statute concerning 2nd Degree Manslaughter: [link to www.revisor.mn.gov (secure)] Here is the pertinent section: (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another. We have already established that culpable negligence probably does not apply. Chauvin also did not create an unreasonable risk with Floyd’s life if what I’ve outlined is true. I am sorry for all of you “I can’t breathe” people, but the death of a man high on drugs who’s resisting arrest and has a violent rap sheet could very well not result in a conviction for 2nd degree manslaughter, and it sure as heck isn’t going to result in a 2nd degree murder conviction. In light of this, please take precautions as this moves forward to secure the safety of your families and loved ones. God help us all. Trial won't happen for another year and a half. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77337765 United States 06/04/2020 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s what could happen with the George Floyd case going forward. Chauvin has been charged with 2nd Degree Murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. In light of the revelation that Floyd was high on drugs, was in possession of what appeared to be drugs, and had a rap sheet that included armed robbery and holding a gun to a pregnant woman during a robbery, the state is not going to successfully prosecute Chauvin for 2nd degree murder. Quoting: The Ghost of Comedian Chauvin was using a maneuver that is taught by many police departments and was allowed in Minneapolis at the time of Floyd’s death. It has been proven that Floyd had drugs in his system. It's a material fact and will be used to paint Floyd as a dangerous person who was resisting arrest and who posed a potential risk to both himself and the officers, thereby justifying a normally dangerous maneuver that was, however, allowed at the time of Floyd's death in such cases. The official coroner said that Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation; however, an independent coroner hired by Floyd’s family says he did. What is not widely known but I believe will become important at trial is that the coroner hired by the family is Dr. Michael Baden, the same independent coroner who concluded that Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself. The state will attempt to use this fact to discredit him as an incompetent coroner driven by greed, desiring to give the families who hired him the answers for which they were paying – a medical mercenary if you will. Another thing to consider – and this is very important – is that according to USLegal.com, culpable negligence, which is required for 2nd degree manslaughter in Minnesota, requires someone who is “recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences).” You can already see where the defense will probably go with this. They will claim Floyd was flailing around, high on drugs and resisting arrest, which will probably show up on the body cam footage we haven’t seen yet. They will say that the maneuver was allowed by the city and under the circumstances was justified in order to prevent injury to an out-of-control drug addict as well as the police officers. They will say that drugs can make a person have super human strength, which is true, and that the officers had no idea how violent he would get. They will say he was behaving erratically, resisting arrest, that they weren’t sure how high he was but didn’t want to take any chances. Everything I’ve discussed will be used to justify three cops kneeling on him to calm him down, and they will also argue that this maneuver – the neck-hold with the knee – is not normally deadly, but that in the case of Floyd there were unforeseen and unknown health and substance abuse issues that caused a heart attack and his death. Despite the conflicting autopsy, the official autopsy will be enough to create a reasonable doubt about the cause of death. That is the standard. The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack. Here is a link to the Minnesota Statute concerning 2nd Degree Manslaughter: [link to www.revisor.mn.gov (secure)] Here is the pertinent section: (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another. We have already established that culpable negligence probably does not apply. Chauvin also did not create an unreasonable risk with Floyd’s life if what I’ve outlined is true. I am sorry for all of you “I can’t breathe” people, but the death of a man high on drugs who’s resisting arrest and has a violent rap sheet could very well not result in a conviction for 2nd degree manslaughter, and it sure as heck isn’t going to result in a 2nd degree murder conviction. In light of this, please take precautions as this moves forward to secure the safety of your families and loved ones. God help us all. Trial won't happen for another year and a half. True nothing will be left anyhow. |
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(OP) User ID: 49838646 United States 06/04/2020 03:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s what could happen with the George Floyd case going forward. Chauvin has been charged with 2nd Degree Murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. In light of the revelation that Floyd was high on drugs, was in possession of what appeared to be drugs, and had a rap sheet that included armed robbery and holding a gun to a pregnant woman during a robbery, the state is not going to successfully prosecute Chauvin for 2nd degree murder. Quoting: The Ghost of Comedian Chauvin was using a maneuver that is taught by many police departments and was allowed in Minneapolis at the time of Floyd’s death. It has been proven that Floyd had drugs in his system. It's a material fact and will be used to paint Floyd as a dangerous person who was resisting arrest and who posed a potential risk to both himself and the officers, thereby justifying a normally dangerous maneuver that was, however, allowed at the time of Floyd's death in such cases. The official coroner said that Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation; however, an independent coroner hired by Floyd’s family says he did. What is not widely known but I believe will become important at trial is that the coroner hired by the family is Dr. Michael Baden, the same independent coroner who concluded that Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself. The state will attempt to use this fact to discredit him as an incompetent coroner driven by greed, desiring to give the families who hired him the answers for which they were paying – a medical mercenary if you will. Another thing to consider – and this is very important – is that according to USLegal.com, culpable negligence, which is required for 2nd degree manslaughter in Minnesota, requires someone who is “recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences).” You can already see where the defense will probably go with this. They will claim Floyd was flailing around, high on drugs and resisting arrest, which will probably show up on the body cam footage we haven’t seen yet. They will say that the maneuver was allowed by the city and under the circumstances was justified in order to prevent injury to an out-of-control drug addict as well as the police officers. They will say that drugs can make a person have super human strength, which is true, and that the officers had no idea how violent he would get. They will say he was behaving erratically, resisting arrest, that they weren’t sure how high he was but didn’t want to take any chances. Everything I’ve discussed will be used to justify three cops kneeling on him to calm him down, and they will also argue that this maneuver – the neck-hold with the knee – is not normally deadly, but that in the case of Floyd there were unforeseen and unknown health and substance abuse issues that caused a heart attack and his death. Despite the conflicting autopsy, the official autopsy will be enough to create a reasonable doubt about the cause of death. That is the standard. The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack. Here is a link to the Minnesota Statute concerning 2nd Degree Manslaughter: [link to www.revisor.mn.gov (secure)] Here is the pertinent section: (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another. We have already established that culpable negligence probably does not apply. Chauvin also did not create an unreasonable risk with Floyd’s life if what I’ve outlined is true. I am sorry for all of you “I can’t breathe” people, but the death of a man high on drugs who’s resisting arrest and has a violent rap sheet could very well not result in a conviction for 2nd degree manslaughter, and it sure as heck isn’t going to result in a 2nd degree murder conviction. In light of this, please take precautions as this moves forward to secure the safety of your families and loved ones. God help us all. Trial won't happen for another year and a half. Are you sure about that? Are you sure that overzealous communist DA's won't expedite the trial? And even if you are right, and you very well may be, then all hell would break loose in 18 months. |
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User ID: 78440711 United States 06/04/2020 03:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s what could happen with the George Floyd case going forward. Chauvin has been charged with 2nd Degree Murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. In light of the revelation that Floyd was high on drugs, was in possession of what appeared to be drugs, and had a rap sheet that included armed robbery and holding a gun to a pregnant woman during a robbery, the state is not going to successfully prosecute Chauvin for 2nd degree murder. Quoting: The Ghost of Comedian Chauvin was using a maneuver that is taught by many police departments and was allowed in Minneapolis at the time of Floyd’s death. It has been proven that Floyd had drugs in his system. It's a material fact and will be used to paint Floyd as a dangerous person who was resisting arrest and who posed a potential risk to both himself and the officers, thereby justifying a normally dangerous maneuver that was, however, allowed at the time of Floyd's death in such cases. The official coroner said that Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation; however, an independent coroner hired by Floyd’s family says he did. What is not widely known but I believe will become important at trial is that the coroner hired by the family is Dr. Michael Baden, the same independent coroner who concluded that Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself. The state will attempt to use this fact to discredit him as an incompetent coroner driven by greed, desiring to give the families who hired him the answers for which they were paying – a medical mercenary if you will. Another thing to consider – and this is very important – is that according to USLegal.com, culpable negligence, which is required for 2nd degree manslaughter in Minnesota, requires someone who is “recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences).” You can already see where the defense will probably go with this. They will claim Floyd was flailing around, high on drugs and resisting arrest, which will probably show up on the body cam footage we haven’t seen yet. They will say that the maneuver was allowed by the city and under the circumstances was justified in order to prevent injury to an out-of-control drug addict as well as the police officers. They will say that drugs can make a person have super human strength, which is true, and that the officers had no idea how violent he would get. They will say he was behaving erratically, resisting arrest, that they weren’t sure how high he was but didn’t want to take any chances. Everything I’ve discussed will be used to justify three cops kneeling on him to calm him down, and they will also argue that this maneuver – the neck-hold with the knee – is not normally deadly, but that in the case of Floyd there were unforeseen and unknown health and substance abuse issues that caused a heart attack and his death. Despite the conflicting autopsy, the official autopsy will be enough to create a reasonable doubt about the cause of death. That is the standard. The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack. Here is a link to the Minnesota Statute concerning 2nd Degree Manslaughter: [link to www.revisor.mn.gov (secure)] Here is the pertinent section: (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another. We have already established that culpable negligence probably does not apply. Chauvin also did not create an unreasonable risk with Floyd’s life if what I’ve outlined is true. I am sorry for all of you “I can’t breathe” people, but the death of a man high on drugs who’s resisting arrest and has a violent rap sheet could very well not result in a conviction for 2nd degree manslaughter, and it sure as heck isn’t going to result in a 2nd degree murder conviction. In light of this, please take precautions as this moves forward to secure the safety of your families and loved ones. God help us all. You forgot about the part where floyd said he couldn't breathe before they laid him down. But none of this matters. Jury selection will be most important. |
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(OP) User ID: 49838646 United States 06/04/2020 03:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s what could happen with the George Floyd case going forward. Chauvin has been charged with 2nd Degree Murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. In light of the revelation that Floyd was high on drugs, was in possession of what appeared to be drugs, and had a rap sheet that included armed robbery and holding a gun to a pregnant woman during a robbery, the state is not going to successfully prosecute Chauvin for 2nd degree murder. Quoting: The Ghost of Comedian Chauvin was using a maneuver that is taught by many police departments and was allowed in Minneapolis at the time of Floyd’s death. It has been proven that Floyd had drugs in his system. It's a material fact and will be used to paint Floyd as a dangerous person who was resisting arrest and who posed a potential risk to both himself and the officers, thereby justifying a normally dangerous maneuver that was, however, allowed at the time of Floyd's death in such cases. The official coroner said that Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation; however, an independent coroner hired by Floyd’s family says he did. What is not widely known but I believe will become important at trial is that the coroner hired by the family is Dr. Michael Baden, the same independent coroner who concluded that Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself. The state will attempt to use this fact to discredit him as an incompetent coroner driven by greed, desiring to give the families who hired him the answers for which they were paying – a medical mercenary if you will. Another thing to consider – and this is very important – is that according to USLegal.com, culpable negligence, which is required for 2nd degree manslaughter in Minnesota, requires someone who is “recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences).” You can already see where the defense will probably go with this. They will claim Floyd was flailing around, high on drugs and resisting arrest, which will probably show up on the body cam footage we haven’t seen yet. They will say that the maneuver was allowed by the city and under the circumstances was justified in order to prevent injury to an out-of-control drug addict as well as the police officers. They will say that drugs can make a person have super human strength, which is true, and that the officers had no idea how violent he would get. They will say he was behaving erratically, resisting arrest, that they weren’t sure how high he was but didn’t want to take any chances. Everything I’ve discussed will be used to justify three cops kneeling on him to calm him down, and they will also argue that this maneuver – the neck-hold with the knee – is not normally deadly, but that in the case of Floyd there were unforeseen and unknown health and substance abuse issues that caused a heart attack and his death. Despite the conflicting autopsy, the official autopsy will be enough to create a reasonable doubt about the cause of death. That is the standard. The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack. Here is a link to the Minnesota Statute concerning 2nd Degree Manslaughter: [link to www.revisor.mn.gov (secure)] Here is the pertinent section: (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another. We have already established that culpable negligence probably does not apply. Chauvin also did not create an unreasonable risk with Floyd’s life if what I’ve outlined is true. I am sorry for all of you “I can’t breathe” people, but the death of a man high on drugs who’s resisting arrest and has a violent rap sheet could very well not result in a conviction for 2nd degree manslaughter, and it sure as heck isn’t going to result in a 2nd degree murder conviction. In light of this, please take precautions as this moves forward to secure the safety of your families and loved ones. God help us all. You forgot about the part where floyd said he couldn't breathe before they laid him down. But none of this matters. Jury selection will be most important. No, I didn't forget that. Read the entire post. "The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack." Last Edited by The Ghost of Comedian on 06/04/2020 03:33 AM |
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User ID: 78440711 United States 06/04/2020 03:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s what could happen with the George Floyd case going forward. Chauvin has been charged with 2nd Degree Murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. In light of the revelation that Floyd was high on drugs, was in possession of what appeared to be drugs, and had a rap sheet that included armed robbery and holding a gun to a pregnant woman during a robbery, the state is not going to successfully prosecute Chauvin for 2nd degree murder. Quoting: The Ghost of Comedian Chauvin was using a maneuver that is taught by many police departments and was allowed in Minneapolis at the time of Floyd’s death. It has been proven that Floyd had drugs in his system. It's a material fact and will be used to paint Floyd as a dangerous person who was resisting arrest and who posed a potential risk to both himself and the officers, thereby justifying a normally dangerous maneuver that was, however, allowed at the time of Floyd's death in such cases. The official coroner said that Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation; however, an independent coroner hired by Floyd’s family says he did. What is not widely known but I believe will become important at trial is that the coroner hired by the family is Dr. Michael Baden, the same independent coroner who concluded that Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself. The state will attempt to use this fact to discredit him as an incompetent coroner driven by greed, desiring to give the families who hired him the answers for which they were paying – a medical mercenary if you will. Another thing to consider – and this is very important – is that according to USLegal.com, culpable negligence, which is required for 2nd degree manslaughter in Minnesota, requires someone who is “recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences).” You can already see where the defense will probably go with this. They will claim Floyd was flailing around, high on drugs and resisting arrest, which will probably show up on the body cam footage we haven’t seen yet. They will say that the maneuver was allowed by the city and under the circumstances was justified in order to prevent injury to an out-of-control drug addict as well as the police officers. They will say that drugs can make a person have super human strength, which is true, and that the officers had no idea how violent he would get. They will say he was behaving erratically, resisting arrest, that they weren’t sure how high he was but didn’t want to take any chances. Everything I’ve discussed will be used to justify three cops kneeling on him to calm him down, and they will also argue that this maneuver – the neck-hold with the knee – is not normally deadly, but that in the case of Floyd there were unforeseen and unknown health and substance abuse issues that caused a heart attack and his death. Despite the conflicting autopsy, the official autopsy will be enough to create a reasonable doubt about the cause of death. That is the standard. The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack. Here is a link to the Minnesota Statute concerning 2nd Degree Manslaughter: [link to www.revisor.mn.gov (secure)] Here is the pertinent section: (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another. We have already established that culpable negligence probably does not apply. Chauvin also did not create an unreasonable risk with Floyd’s life if what I’ve outlined is true. I am sorry for all of you “I can’t breathe” people, but the death of a man high on drugs who’s resisting arrest and has a violent rap sheet could very well not result in a conviction for 2nd degree manslaughter, and it sure as heck isn’t going to result in a 2nd degree murder conviction. In light of this, please take precautions as this moves forward to secure the safety of your families and loved ones. God help us all. You forgot about the part where floyd said he couldn't breathe before they laid him down. But none of this matters. Jury selection will be most important. No, I didn't forget that. Read the entire post. "The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack." Look. I completely agree with everything you said. I just have a feeling the jury selection will make or break this case. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 49838646 United States 06/05/2020 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Full autopsy of Mr. Floyd: 4x amount of fentanyl needed to kill, also meth and pot: [link to www.independentsentinel.com (secure)] |
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ac User ID: 78993267 United States 06/05/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chauvin will never see his court date. They are going to get rid of him for good. Here is something to ponder. Apparently this cop had multiple complaints and many reprimands. Isn't it the responsibility of the mayor and police chief to make sure trouble makers aren't on the force? I don't see anyone blaming the people who should be blamed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63773533 United States 06/05/2020 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's hope they are all found not guilty. The trial will be moved out of MN --that is for sure. Then they will all be acquitted. What a wonderful day it will be. Then I would like to see these officers go to Floyd's grave and take a steamy, hot, yellow leak upon it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78128618 United States 06/05/2020 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More than that. Get the autopsy and read it. I have it. Get the complaint on Chauvin and read it. I have Get the complaint in the initial call. I have it. If I have, it's out there available for everybody. Call from Store: Guy who's acting weird, intoxicated, passed a bad $20. Police: “(Officer) Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant (Officer Chauvin) said, “No, staying put where we got him.” ... Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” Officer Derek Chauvin replied, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” Excited Delirium ( EXD) ...characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, . . . typically associated with the use of drugs . . .sometimes with death of the affected person in the custody of law enforcement. Subjects typically die from cardiopulmonary arrest. People experiencing EXD are highly agitated, violent, and show signs of unexpected strength so it is not surprising that most require physical restraint. The prone maximal restraint position... where the person’s ankles and wrists are bound together behind their back, has been used extensively by field personnel. In far fewer cases, persons have been tied to a hospital gurney or manually held prone with knee pressure on the back or neck.” "Can't breath" - can't speak if truly can't breath. Autopsy: Fentanyl, Methamphetamine. Bottom Line: They weren't constraining him to protect themselves; they were constraining him to protect him and keep him stable until medics came. The only logical scenario where bad intentions may have been in play would be if Chauvin, the guy in charge and the one using the knee, too advantage of the situation - Floyd's "intoxicated" condition, the the junior status of the other 3 officers, etc. to harm the victim. But what would be the logic of that given there were witnesses and he was being filmed for the whole world to see and he knew he was being filmed? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78128618 United States 06/05/2020 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Follow up to my post above. Facts and reality don't matter at the level. This country, the "justice" system, everything is corrupt from top to bottom, from inside to outside. And people in power, even if not terribly corrupt, don't like to be made out to be fools (that many of them are). A narrative published nationwide that the officers were doing the best they knew to do the actually help the guy would be devastating to way too many politicians and "leaders" of movements. And the public - all emotions, wouldn't have the sense of a horses ass to understand something that contradicted their assumptions of reality. |
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Chauvin User ID: 78989602 United States 06/05/2020 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s what could happen with the George Floyd case going forward. Chauvin has been charged with 2nd Degree Murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. In light of the revelation that Floyd was high on drugs, was in possession of what appeared to be drugs, and had a rap sheet that included armed robbery and holding a gun to a pregnant woman during a robbery, the state is not going to successfully prosecute Chauvin for 2nd degree murder. Quoting: The Ghost of Comedian Chauvin was using a maneuver that is taught by many police departments and was allowed in Minneapolis at the time of Floyd’s death. It has been proven that Floyd had drugs in his system. It's a material fact and will be used to paint Floyd as a dangerous person who was resisting arrest and who posed a potential risk to both himself and the officers, thereby justifying a normally dangerous maneuver that was, however, allowed at the time of Floyd's death in such cases. The official coroner said that Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation; however, an independent coroner hired by Floyd’s family says he did. What is not widely known but I believe will become important at trial is that the coroner hired by the family is Dr. Michael Baden, the same independent coroner who concluded that Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself. The state will attempt to use this fact to discredit him as an incompetent coroner driven by greed, desiring to give the families who hired him the answers for which they were paying – a medical mercenary if you will. Another thing to consider – and this is very important – is that according to USLegal.com, culpable negligence, which is required for 2nd degree manslaughter in Minnesota, requires someone who is “recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences).” You can already see where the defense will probably go with this. They will claim Floyd was flailing around, high on drugs and resisting arrest, which will probably show up on the body cam footage we haven’t seen yet. They will say that the maneuver was allowed by the city and under the circumstances was justified in order to prevent injury to an out-of-control drug addict as well as the police officers. They will say that drugs can make a person have super human strength, which is true, and that the officers had no idea how violent he would get. They will say he was behaving erratically, resisting arrest, that they weren’t sure how high he was but didn’t want to take any chances. Everything I’ve discussed will be used to justify three cops kneeling on him to calm him down, and they will also argue that this maneuver – the neck-hold with the knee – is not normally deadly, but that in the case of Floyd there were unforeseen and unknown health and substance abuse issues that caused a heart attack and his death. Despite the conflicting autopsy, the official autopsy will be enough to create a reasonable doubt about the cause of death. That is the standard. The prosecution will try to say that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe, but the defense will rightly point out that if Floyd couldn’t actually breathe then he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that SHORTNESS OF BREATH is often a symptom associated with heart failure. The prosecution will try to say that the mere mention by Floyd that he could not breath should have been enough to alert Chauvin that he was taking an unreasonable risk and not taking reasonable caution with the man’s life. However, the defense will remind everyone that people frequently lie to gain an advantage over an arresting officer, that Floyd was actually breathing, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to talk, and that any actual difficulty breathing was likely cause by the heart attack. Here is a link to the Minnesota Statute concerning 2nd Degree Manslaughter: [link to www.revisor.mn.gov (secure)] Here is the pertinent section: (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another. We have already established that culpable negligence probably does not apply. Chauvin also did not create an unreasonable risk with Floyd’s life if what I’ve outlined is true. I am sorry for all of you “I can’t breathe” people, but the death of a man high on drugs who’s resisting arrest and has a violent rap sheet could very well not result in a conviction for 2nd degree manslaughter, and it sure as heck isn’t going to result in a 2nd degree murder conviction. In light of this, please take precautions as this moves forward to secure the safety of your families and loved ones. God help us all. Not with Keith Ellison at the helm. And they won't be able to find an impartial jury. moslums hate whites and they'll make an example out of CHauvin |
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