The Great American Eclipse, Archangel Michael, and the Third Secret of Fatima | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75379347 United States 08/13/2017 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the Vatican published it in 2000. Although some claim that there is an unpublished text (perhaps not the Secrets, but rather an explanation of the secrets) due to a report made in the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens, which reported that the pope had commented on the Third Secret during a conference in Fulda, Germany in 1980: The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?" Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves. "On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired." The Pope continued: "Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil." At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God." The Holy Father was then asked: "What is going to happen to the Church?" He answered: "We must prepare ourselves to suffer great trials before long, such as will demand of us a disposition to give up even life, and a total dedication to Christ and for Christ… With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed. How many times has the renewal of the Church sprung from blood! This time, too, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong and prepared, and trust in Christ and His Mother, and be very, very assiduous in praying the Rosary." It must be noted however that there is some dispute as to the legimacy of the Stimme des Glaubens report. Antonio Socci, the author of The Fourth Secret of Fatima, stated in issue 86 of The Fatima Crusader that the Vatican Press Office and Cardinal Ratzinger denied that this meeting took place. However rather curiously, the most recent publication from sources inside the Vatican acknowledges that it did in fact take place. In his book The Last Secret of Fatima, Cardinal Bertone, the Vatican Secretary of State admits that John Paul II did in fact say these words. The Fatima Network website is similarly assured that the Fulda conference did in fact take place. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75379347 United States 08/13/2017 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do you believe all these man made traditions and hoaxes and lying signs and wonders? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37244290 Why did your papists open the 'michael statue' exacrly "3m22d" after Jorge took office? When this many signs come together, we should pay attention. The popes are mere men just like us and are trying to make sense of these signs just as any other person would do. We each filter these kinds of signs through our own unique religious experiences and backgrounds. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74554229 Italy 08/13/2017 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fatima is far from a hoax. The miracle of the sun happened on the day that was predicted by the three children and it was seen by thousands of people in Portugal, atheists and communists included; no scientific explanation could be given for it. The secret that was officially released in 2000 is a cover-up by vatican priests, but even they cannot deny what JPII said in Fulda. In her diary, years after the visions in Fatima, Sister Lucy wrote that she had a vision of a flaming spear touching the earth and rocking its axis. It may well be tied to the third secret. I do not think it will happen this year, though. The Virgin Mary asked for the Consecration of Russia in 1929: between now and 2029 we'll see interesting times. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73850071 United States 08/13/2017 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting, Thank you. Also it should be noted that Rosh Hashanah is 9/20- 22. Right before the 9/23 event. Looking at the Michael Statue dedication in 2013. Francis consecrated Vatican State to Michael and Joseph "Guardian of Jesus." The Father and the Son. |
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User ID: 65945302 United States 08/16/2017 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the Vatican published it in 2000. Although some claim that there is an unpublished text (perhaps not the Secrets, but rather an explanation of the secrets) due to a report made in the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens, which reported that the pope had commented on the Third Secret during a conference in Fulda, Germany in 1980: The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?" Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves. "On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired." The Pope continued: "Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil." At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God." The Holy Father was then asked: "What is going to happen to the Church?" He answered: "We must prepare ourselves to suffer great trials before long, such as will demand of us a disposition to give up even life, and a total dedication to Christ and for Christ… With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed. How many times has the renewal of the Church sprung from blood! This time, too, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong and prepared, and trust in Christ and His Mother, and be very, very assiduous in praying the Rosary." It must be noted however that there is some dispute as to the legimacy of the Stimme des Glaubens report. Antonio Socci, the author of The Fourth Secret of Fatima, stated in issue 86 of The Fatima Crusader that the Vatican Press Office and Cardinal Ratzinger denied that this meeting took place. However rather curiously, the most recent publication from sources inside the Vatican acknowledges that it did in fact take place. In his book The Last Secret of Fatima, Cardinal Bertone, the Vatican Secretary of State admits that John Paul II did in fact say these words. The Fatima Network website is similarly assured that the Fulda conference did in fact take place. Thanks. deplorably republican |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37650076 United States 08/21/2017 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can only simply say that the story of Fatima has been regurgitated by the church and the adults. The 3 kids were young, I think the oldest was 12? at the time. Hollywood then made the story into a movie. Point is 3 kids can't possibly understand all the nuances that the church seems to have woven into the story with miracles etc. I have the picture that was drawn by the church's artist directly from the kids interpretations of the vision. I wish I could post it but don't know how. Once seeing the picture, the miracle business is a moot point. The picture clearly shows the elements of an eclipse at the center as the main theme and then drama rolls out on all sides. Peace out. Thread: FATIMA - Miracle of the Sun 1917-2017 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75410804 United States 08/21/2017 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can only simply say that the story of Fatima has been regurgitated by the church and the adults. The 3 kids were young, I think the oldest was 12? at the time. Hollywood then made the story into a movie. Point is 3 kids can't possibly understand all the nuances that the church seems to have woven into the story with miracles etc. I have the picture that was drawn by the church's artist directly from the kids interpretations of the vision. I wish I could post it but don't know how. Once seeing the picture, the miracle business is a moot point. The picture clearly shows the elements of an eclipse at the center as the main theme and then drama rolls out on all sides. Peace out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37650076 Thread: FATIMA - Miracle of the Sun 1917-2017 The miracle of the sun was witnessed by 70,000 people including anti-Catholic Freemasons. It was no ordinary solar event. Here is but one description by a scientist present: It must have been 1:30 p.m when there arose, at the exact spot where the children were, a column of smoke, thin, fine and bluish, which extended up to perhaps two meters above their heads, and evaporated at that height. This phenomenon, perfectly visible to the naked eye, lasted for a few seconds. Not having noted how long it had lasted, I cannot say whether it was more or less than a minute. The smoke dissipated abruptly, and after some time, it came back to occur a second time, then a third time The sky, which had been overcast all day, suddenly cleared; the rain stopped and it looked as if the sun were about to fill with light the countryside that the wintery morning had made so gloomy. I was looking at the spot of the apparitions in a serene, if cold, expectation of something happening and with diminishing curiosity because a long time had passed without anything to excite my attention. The sun, a few moments before, had broken through the thick layer of clouds which hid it and now shone clearly and intensely. Suddenly I heard the uproar of thousands of voices, and I saw the whole multitude spread out in that vast space at my feet...turn their backs to that spot where, until then, all their expectations had been focused, and look at the sun on the other side. I turned around, too, toward the point commanding their gaze and I could see the sun, like a very clear disc, with its sharp edge, which gleamed without hurting the sight. It could not be confused with the sun seen through a fog (there was no fog at that moment), for it was neither veiled nor dim. At Fatima, it kept its light and heat, and stood out clearly in the sky, with a sharp edge, like a large gaming table. The most astonishing thing was to be able to stare at the solar disc for a long time, brilliant with light and heat, without hurting the eyes or damaging the retina. [During this time], the sun's disc did not remain immobile, it had a giddy motion, [but] not like the twinkling of a star in all its brilliance for it spun round upon itself in a mad whirl. During the solar phenomenon, which I have just described, there were also changes of color in the atmosphere. Looking at the sun, I noticed that everything was becoming darkened. I looked first at the nearest objects and then extended my glance further afield as far as the horizon. I saw everything had assumed an amethyst color. Objects around me, the sky and the atmosphere, were of the same color. Everything both near and far had changed, taking on the color of old yellow damask. People looked as if they were suffering from jaundice and I recall a sensation of amusement at seeing them look so ugly and unattractive. My own hand was the same color. Then, suddenly, one heard a clamor, a cry of anguish breaking from all the people. The sun, whirling wildly, seemed all at once to loosen itself from the firmament and, blood red, advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge and fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was truly terrible. All the phenomena which I have described were observed by me in a calm and serene state of mind without any emotional disturbance. It is for others to interpret and explain them. Finally, I must declare that never, before or after October 13 [1917], have I observed similar atmospheric or solar phenomena." - Dr. Jose Maria de Almeida Garrett, professor at the Faculty of Sciences of Coimbra, Portugal |