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If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....

 
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If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
Then a magnetic field will twist when moving past a fixed charged plate.

Eh?

This is how we twist up the magnetic field. Now, if we can twist up a magnetic field, we are imparting force into the magnetic field with out increasing the magnetic fields strength.


This just hit me this morning.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
You on the wacky back again?

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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
Yes.

Not sure if the charge will stay or how much will be dissipated as heat or radiated energy, but yes, if one is true the converse should also be true.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
Yes.

Not sure if the charge will stay or how much will be dissipated as heat or radiated energy, but yes, if one is true the converse should also be true.
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That doesn't necessarily follow goy. You're not much of a Philosopher
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
Yes.

Not sure if the charge will stay or how much will be dissipated as heat or radiated energy, but yes, if one is true the converse should also be true.
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That doesn't necessarily follow goy. You're not much of a Philosopher
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If A exerts force on B. Then B also exerts force on A.


Moving a magnet across a fixed charge will twist the magnetic field. The twist goes the other direction when the charge is flipped.

This might be used to measure a non conductive bodies charge state by how far it twists the mag field.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....


If A exerts force on B. Then B also exerts force on A.



If my leg (A) kicks (force) a football (b), then it is not the case that the football exerts a force on my leg
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
If A exerts force on B. Then B also exerts force on A.

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If my leg (A) kicks (force) a football (b), then it is not the case that the football exerts a force on my leg
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Sure it does.

Don't you know Newtons Third Law?

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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
As well, if two pieces of metal were moved closer to each other over time, they are experiencing magnetic compression so the metals gain similar magnetic charges where the two are closest to each other.

This is because equal magnetic poles repel. Repulsion creates pressure and two pieces of iron moving towards each other simulates magnetic pressure.


This is another fact.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
If A exerts force on B. Then B also exerts force on A.

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If my leg (A) kicks (force) a football (b), then it is not the case that the football exerts a force on my leg
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Sure it does.

Don't you know Newtons Third Law?
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Many ACL injuries take place when a soccer player kicks the ball.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
No, the magnetic field doesn't twist, the object generating thr field moves.

This is basic electromagnetic theory any ee knows.
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Yeah I don't think the magnetic field twists?

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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
Yeah I don't think the magnetic field twists?

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Then it must be deflected to one side of the charged particle or charged plate... or be torqued upon.

Though it just may. We may have perceived twisting in a physical sense. IE, turning a magnet on it's axis does not twist the magnetic field.

Electrons do have a torqueing impact on the magnetic field. Look at conducting wires with the rotating magnetic field around the wire.


I am going to think up a test to prove or disprove this.

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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
Yeah I don't think the magnetic field twists?

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twisting a magnet...no.

But twisting the flux itself outside the magnet.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
no a magnetic field bends a charged particle (photon).
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
If my leg (A) kicks (force) a football (b), then it is not the case that the football exerts a force on my leg
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If you kick the ball hard enough you'll break your foot. That is force in the opposing direction.

If the ball was heavy enough, it won't move but your foot would shatter.


In this case, the resistance to go from stand still to motion, the energy required to accelerate the ball is shared between the ball and your foot. That is why heavier balls hurt the foot more.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
did you know there is a black hole in the middle of every magnet??
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
The Lorrentz force violates newtons 3rd law
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Congratulations on rediscovering science.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
no a magnetic field bends a charged particle (photon).
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An electron is deflected in a vacuum with a linear, coherent magnetic field. It curves though that curve is a result of two vectors over time.

I shouldn't have to explain this. It is well known. It is how TV's directed the electrons to make the image.

Besides, Newtons 3rd Law states the magnetic field is acted upon equally as strong as it is on the charged particle.




So it would stand to reason, moving a magnetic field across a stream of charged particles would deflect the magnetic field.


We may not notice it as the mass of the electron is very small. So the equivalent reaction in the magnetic field be small.

however, firing one charged particle into a magnetic field will influence the field and thus, influence another charged particle moving through the field at the same time.



As well, if gravity bends light...then light gives up energy into gravity.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
The Lorrentz force violates newtons 3rd law
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If you have a stationary wire between a stationary magnetic feild all strapped to a board, so that lorrentz force pushes the wire upwards, you will have a flying machine if you give it enough current. Put the board on a scale to show the decrease in weight when you put a current through the wire. Make a YouTube video and post it on this thread.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
The Lorrentz force violates newtons 3rd law
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We are probably missing a part of the transfer of energy somewhere.

Until we understand all forces, it is not wise to make such a claim. IMHO.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
The Lorrentz force violates newtons 3rd law
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If you have a stationary wire between a stationary magnetic feild all strapped to a board, so that lorrentz force pushes the wire upwards, you will have a flying machine if you give it enough current. Put the board on a scale to show the decrease in weight when you put a current through the wire. Make a YouTube video and post it on this thread.
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Biefeld-Brown, look it up.

Asymmetric capacitance. Causes lift, even if the electric polarity is flipped, inertial force is same direction.

It is based on the dielectric field shape. Which is the same if polarity is flipped.

Also, two positive charges will NOT repel on each other until a negative charge is introduced.

Hence, it is not the particle that acts upon the other. It is the particles field that interacts with others. With out a negative charge present, no flux lines are made to repel each other.



I know enough to hold my own with the best minds in science.

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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
no a magnetic field bends a charged particle (photon).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74580466


An electron is deflected in a vacuum with a linear, coherent magnetic field. It curves though that curve is a result of two vectors over time.

I shouldn't have to explain this. It is well known. It is how TV's directed the electrons to make the image.

Besides, Newtons 3rd Law states the magnetic field is acted upon equally as strong as it is on the charged particle.




So it would stand to reason, moving a magnetic field across a stream of charged particles would deflect the magnetic field.


We may not notice it as the mass of the electron is very small. So the equivalent reaction in the magnetic field be small.

however, firing one charged particle into a magnetic field will influence the field and thus, influence another charged particle moving through the field at the same time.



As well, if gravity bends light...then light gives up energy into gravity.
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yes and also moving stream of charged particles will move the magnetic field.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
did you get the part about it being observable that a magnetic field bends light.

so what is the difference between magnetism and gravity and does gravity really exist and is it not just magnetism.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
no a magnetic field bends a charged particle (photon).
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An electron is deflected in a vacuum with a linear, coherent magnetic field. It curves though that curve is a result of two vectors over time.

I shouldn't have to explain this. It is well known. It is how TV's directed the electrons to make the image.

Besides, Newtons 3rd Law states the magnetic field is acted upon equally as strong as it is on the charged particle.




So it would stand to reason, moving a magnetic field across a stream of charged particles would deflect the magnetic field.


We may not notice it as the mass of the electron is very small. So the equivalent reaction in the magnetic field be small.

however, firing one charged particle into a magnetic field will influence the field and thus, influence another charged particle moving through the field at the same time.



As well, if gravity bends light...then light gives up energy into gravity.
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yes and also moving stream of charged particles will move the magnetic field.
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I wonder, conduct electrons from the outer perimeter to the inner perimeter of a coherent field. The lead the current out along the pole axis where it doesn't influence the mag field as much.

As long as there is current, the mag field is deflected or torqued.

Imagine discharging 500kv from a massive layden jar or capacitor bank.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....

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can you see the side view of just inside the toroid field when he first places the magnet under the ferrocell?
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can you see the side view of just inside the toroid field when he first places the magnet under the ferrocell?
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I'm gonna watch it and then get back to you. I'm down for anything that deals with the latest edge in science.


btw, I like that fella in the vid. I watch a lot of his work. Really smart.

I wondered if he ever saw my understanding of Leedskalnins Symbol. Which I am certain I figured out.

anyways, will post up on my thoughts of the vid.

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can you see the side view of just inside the toroid field when he first places the magnet under the ferrocell?
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I'm gonna watch it and then get back to you. I'm down for anything that deals with the latest edge in science.
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excellent. to give you perspective, something that the video maker maybe doesn't realise is that due to the distance this magnet is from the ferrocell the cell is inside the toroid field and seeing the middle from the indide of it.
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then he turns the magnet over and you are looking down on the centre of the magnetic field from just above it.
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Re: If a charged particle curves in a magnetic field when moving....
do you get what i was saying about there being a black hole in the middle of a magnet now?





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